Can admin please put this in the correct place for me.... This morning I went to my online osyter account to add some pay'n'go funds. The TFL website only allows you to add £50 at a time, so wanting to add £100 I went through the procedure twice, but the 2nd time around the TFL website said the transaction was unsuccessful. Not paying too much attention to the the reason why the transaction didn't complete, checked my bank account and thought ok so only a couple of quid there so thats the reason. I then transferred more funds to my bank account and tried the TFL website again, and again the transaction was unsccessful. The reason being is that they only allow you to add £90 pay'n'go funds. Checking my bank account again I noticed that again there were insufficient funds so I call my bank only to find out that TFL had taken 3 x £50 from my account event though only one transaction shows on my oyster account. I then called TFL only to be told that the last 2 transactions were in a holding account and would be refunded in 2-5 days. So it appears that TFL have a system in place that will seek authorisation from a bank for a transaction and then TFL will check and see if that transaction then meets its transaction criteria, if it doesnt then they will then refuse the payment, but only after it has already taken it. Surely TFL should be checking to see if your request to add funds/tickets to your oyster meet with their critiera prior to requesting authorisation for a payment from a bank/credit card. If you have already added £50 surely if you try and add another £50 their system should say "thank you but the max you can add is £40" rather than continually keep taking funds. I think this sucks and want to raise a complaint but where do I start?

Hi there, I don't know if anyone can help, or if anything can be done, my problems are twofold. I received a Penalty Notice in October due to not showing a valid ticket. I purchased an off peak travelcard for all zones to travel across South London for the evening. The travelcard was purchased at a Southern Network Rail station just before getting on a bus to a London Overground Station. I then travelled two stops on the train and got off where I was stopped by inspectors who informed me that I had purchased a ticket for the wrong date (the next day). I realised that in my rush as well as being on the phone trying to sort an issue, I must have pressed the next day on the machine which I purchased the ticket from but understood that as it was a genuine mistake I would have to purchase another travelcard. To my surprise, the ticket inspector informed me then that I would be liable to pay a penalty fare due to not having a ticket to show. I explained that I just did not look at at the ticket when I got it, I did not attempt to evade a fare and this was not even the end of my journey as I still had to get on the Underground, I also presented my ticket to the driver of the bus and unfortunately the barriers were open at the London Overground Station where I got on the train so would never have used the ticket had I have been made aware. I have appealed the penalty fare, but it was rejected on the grounds that it is my responsibility and I should have let a member of staff know before I travelled. I presented my ticket to a bus driver before any train travel and I had obviously purchased a ticket just before I was about to travel, does this amount to fare evasion?? I have now been given 14 days as of last week Tuesday to 2nd Appeal but also to pay the fine. It is however not clear if I must pay the fine and appeal at the same time, or appeal and if rejected again, then pay the fine. I also want to ask if it is worth my time appealing again, or let it go I guess.

Hi! As there was some confusion in a recent Oyster Card thread as to whether a prosecution notice came from TfL or a Court, it's useful to be aware that TfL have a fixed "House Style" for all letters and correspondence, and anything *Directly* from TfL themselves will be written in a distinctive typeface called New Johnston - the same style of lettering you see used on all signage, posters, leaflets and publicity material. Compare the lettering of anything received with something like a map or leaflet from a Tube Station, etc., if the lettering is identical then it *IS* TfL produced, in which case read it carefully and find out what they are alleging or requesting! However if it's Times New Roman, Helvetica or Arial, etc., it could be from TfL *OR* a Court, *in which case you must read it even more carefully* and follow any directions on it to the letter! Hope this helps a bit!

I applied for 18+ Oyster Photocard after being told by a member of staff that I am eligible since I am on a part-time course lasting over 14 weeks. After making the application, and it being rejected, I have found that I have to be in receipt of an NHS grant or receiving financial help from my education establishment. I have attached the webpage that I went through to make my application. I have also included the part of the terms and conditions that is relevant to me. My argument is that the webpage does not state any requirements for NHS funding, it only requires for the course to be eligible. Another argument is that the terms and conditions are confusing, namely the bullet points after either. Correct me if I'm wrong but after an either statement, and cannot be used. Such as: either A and (B or C), in this case A should not have come after either and should have been with the original set of bullet points either (A and B) or C, then in which was A and B do not need to be separate statements but could have been in the same bullet point. I understand this can be confusing and I might not have a valid argument, but any help is much appreciated. I don't see why someone in receipt of grants and financial help gets to reap the benefits of this scheme but not someone like me who is working hard to put myself through education, barely earning £8,000, most of which goes towards tuitions.

Hi have a similar issue i want to discuss but i can not seem to make a thread.

I'm wondering if you could possibly offer me any advice, like you have kindly given to many before me. The Task Enforcement came this morning at 7am to tell me that my car had been clamped, and that I could un-clamp it by paying a fee of £535 It all started on 22.07.2015 when I was contacted by my old landlady. She told me I was being chased by Bailiff's for unpaid Congestion Charge Penalty Notice. I realized that DVLA must still have my old address, so I immediately sent off my driving license, and also called the Congestion people. They said that I now owed about £270 from entering the congestion area on 26.02.2015! But was too late to pay them. They kindly advised me this happens all the time and not to worry. There was another procedure. They put me in touch with the TEC. It was all very friendly. Having looked in my diary, 26.02.2015 I was on a job on Curtain road and retracing my steps on Googlemaps, I had turned around just inside the congestion zone without realizing at the time The TEC then sent me the PE3 & PE2 Statutory Declaration application forms, which I completed and had signed by a local solicitor (£10 charge) The TEC then sent me a letter on 04.08.15 to say that my APPLICATION WAS REFUSED without a hearing. There were options to apply for a review but they both had extra costs. I presumed I would have to bite the bullet and pay the full amount, and have been waiting for a final bill. Then the first correspondense from the Bailifs came this morning with a clamp. Aparently they are called Task Enforcement and I had to pay them £535 so that I could take my kids to school and drive to work I must add that the bailiffs were actually nice guys, and it saddened them that there was nothing they could do. They said they would wait in the van for five minutes whilst I had a think Is there any way of getting some of the money back now that I have paid it in full? Breakdown of payment below debt £202 Compliance stage fee £75 Enforcement stage fee £235 Thanks and best wishes Joe

Good evening everyone! Here what happened to me this morning(it is actually the text I have just composed to send as an appeal against an unfair decision): I came to St James train station(zone 3) at around 07:09 am. My train was at 07:12 as usual. I wanted to renew my 7 days travel card (zones 1-3), but the ticket machine wasn't working, and I went to the ticket office and asked for help. And the lady behind the glass told me to go across the street to top up at some shop. If I had done so I would have missed my train. Well, I couldn't accept it as I just started a new job, and the person in charge there doesn't like it when people are late, so I could have lost a job over that. Thus I jumped on the train and traveled to the Liverpool Street Station hoping that I would be able to buy my travel card there and avoid coming at work late. When I came to the Liverpool Street Station I asked the staff there to help me out and let me out to the nearest ticket machine to buy my 7 days travel card, but they were not helpful and preferred to issue me with a penalty notice. I believe it was an unfair decision as I was not going to travel without paying, and it was obvious that the fault was not mine and I was going to buy the ticket at the Liverpool Station. You can look up in your records and you will see I regularly buy zones 1-3 travel card. The guys were really eager to make me pay 40 pounds(!!) without even trying to show any sign of understanding my reason, to say nothing of complete lack of intention to consider my concerns/request. The guy named Mohammed said it was my fault and I should have foreseen things could develop that way and I should have come to the station much earlier than three minutes before the train arrival. Then he told me that they(he and another guy of the staff) called the lady at St James Station and she said that she had offered me to buy a ticket to Liverpool Street Station. But in fact she didn't say anything of the kind, she just refused renewing my travel card and suggested me to go across the street to do so. Mohammed, the guy who issued me the penalty notice, made some notes(along with my details - my full name, date of birth and address) describing the situation into his note pad and asked me to sign the text. I refused to do so unless he crossed out the clause about the woman's offer to buy a ticket from her, because it was not true – she didn't make that offer. She just offered me to go across the street to top up my oyster and stared at me in silence with eyes wide open and expression of her face showing no care that in that case I will inevitably miss my train. I am going to appeal against their decision to charge me 40(!) pounds. At the back of the penalty notice there is an email and a post address to make an appeal. Should use those contacts, or anyone had better suggestions? Any advice is very welcome. Thank you very much.

Hi All I am a first time poster. I had a charge for not paying my fine for the congestion charge, and tbh have let the thing snowball to the point that Task enforcement arrived this morning and clamped my car on private property (driveway) and sneakily slipped a bit of paper and drove off. I did ring them and offered to pay half the fine as this is all i have. But heh hoo they denied it. Points. The car is on finance I did and always have a removal of implied access of entry. She acknowledged this when i told her. Thank you for time.

Hi All, I have been in situation. In March 2015 my wife was travelling on the bus to drop my son to school. By mistake she take my brother's weekly travel card and when she been inspected. The weekly travel card been retained by the officer. Now we are in receipt of a Legal Notice for Single Justice Procedure. they have given us 3 option: 1: Plead guilty i don't want to come to court 2: Not guilty i want to come to court 3: Please not guilty send me the date of my trial. Summary of incident: My wife was travelling along with my son (4 years old) to drop him off to school of 9th March. In hurry she took my brother's weekly travel card. As they are in same color wallet. Over and above the bus driver let her in without looking her pass as she usually travel at same time everyday, i assume he knows her by face. So she hasnt check her travel card at that time as well. Unfortunately an officer board in and start checking the passes; she handed over her pass without knowing that she has my brother's pass. The officer retain the pass. We have received the letter to which she responded and tell the whole circumstances. Now we are receipt of letter from TFL under : 71B using a pass issued to another person. and intending to fine upto £125.00 + fare cost of £1.50 As my wife is not employed and is housewife we are really worried about the cost and the criminal record against her name. Can you please guide me through what shall i do to avoid both fine as its not an intentional mistake and criminal record against my wife name. Your help is much appreciated. Looking forward to hear back from you. Kindest regards, s_alimran

Hi! (I have literally just joined this site so apologies if I do anything wrong!) I will try to keep this as concise as poss - I recently got into trouble on a bus when I accidentally used my boyfriend's 16+ zip Oyster instead of mine (I have an 18+ student one). Like most people, I got v worried about this after googling what could happen - I'm a medical student so prospect of a criminal record is v v v scary! Got the standard letter asking for an explanation - sought advice from head of my faculty, turns out this has happened to many students before, and she suggested going in to hand in my response letter in person, and try to speak to them in person and halt the investigation in its tracks. I did so today. Spoke to a lawyer at TFL HQ, he said he believed that it was an honest mistake (which it truly was!!) and he referred me on to the investigator in charge, who thankfully offered to settle for £300. Although this seems a bit steep, I am glad I am no longer facing a criminal record. However, in the email he sent me, he said this: 'Please be aware that a guilty plea in court could result in the fines and costs being lower than an out of court settlement as they would take into account the individuals mitigation and means.' I spoke to a friend who recently did the same thing as me, and he ended up pleading guilty via post and paying only £120 - and got no criminal record from it? This confused me, as I thought that going to court and pleading guilty = criminal record!? So, my question now is - obviously the prospect of a lower fine is desirable (I'm a student with no income other than student loan/grant!), however, won't I get a criminal record from going to court and pleading guilty?? If not, should I go to court, get the lower fine, and try to not get a criminal record (if that's possible can somebody please explain what I need to do?) or should I just pay up the £300 now? Thank you so much for taking the time to read this!

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could help me with what happens next. I have been stopped in a ZONE 1 station using a ZONE 2/3 travel card, so obviously my ticket was invalid. I was interviewed under caution and because I was quite shocked and didn't want to put my foot in anything, I refused to answer questions under caution, when questions where asked I answered "no comment" I was also asked to sign his notebook, without him telling me what it was for, i refused to sign until he explained what i was signing, I then read through his notes and signed. What is the most likely outcome, would it be court action against me?

Hi all, I am writing as I too have received a letter from TFL where they threaten to prosecute me. The incident happened in the train in March. I use a type of ticket that you buy in advance and fill in with the date of the journey when you travel. I was going back home after work, tired, sleepy, and I filled in the date on my ticket and accidentally entered a future date as I am so dumb I was convinced it was a different date. I was so convinced that I didnt even bother to double check in the calendar. When I arrived at the destination station, I was asked to show my ticket and the inspector checked it and told me, hey this is not today's date. He wanted me to pay the fine and I asked, is there any way to avoid this, as it's clearly been an honest mistake? and he said, yh I can take your details and the company will write to you to ask for your version. I thought, that is really fair!! I will give my version and then they will decide whether I have to pay or not!! Surprise surprise........"the company asking for my version" is a letter of intention to prosecute. I have already replied to them explaining what happened but I assume it is going to be useless. I have some questions, and I was hoping somebody here could help. I have read I could be prosecuted in 2 different ways (I copy and paste from another thread): - The most serious is section 5 of the Regulation of Railways Act 1889, criminal, requires intent to avoid fare, fine up to level 3 (£1000), or for second or subsequent offence can at discretion of court lead to imprisonment up to 3 months. - Railway byelaws (both sections 17 and 18), criminal, strict liability (no intent needed), fine up to level 3 (£1000) except byelaw 17 My questions are: - Will I know before going to court what law they are prosecuting me under? Can they change their mind at a later point? - If its the railways act, do they have to prove to avoid fare? I might have a fighting chance at demonstrating I had no intent of doing so. - If its the railway bylaws, then they dont need to prove intent. However is there any circumstance under which their evidence would not be admissible? The inspector was a 17 yr old bully and I believe he made some errors, e.g. wrote comments on my witness statement on a section that was meant for my comments, pressured me into signing, did not explain why he was taking my details and told me it was just 'to give my version' - Can I subpaena documents/CCTV for my defence? I am a fighter and will certainly not go down without a fight. At this point I dont care about the money. I only care about being turned into a criminal. I am most certainly not a criminal. I volunteer for two charities where I work with children and I need an enhanced DBS, so criminal record would mean no more volunteering. I am really shocked. In my country these issues are not covered by criminal law, they are covered by administration law and you would NEVER get a criminal record for such a matter. I don't know who had this idea but it sounds really out of proportion. Thanks for any help that you might give.

on Friday the 17th April I was caught with my little bothers 11-15 Oyster card which is free for him I told the inspector that it was mine but he said I looked to old. I tried convincing him I was 15 but it didn't work out. I know it was wrong of me. I'm 18 but I have a 16+ Oyster card because I'm still in sixthform my travels are free for me I lost my 16+ oyster weeks ago and that's the reason why I used my little brothers Oyster card I told the inspector all of this as well and he took my details in a notebook and asked me to sign it ? I received a letter from Tfl asking me to fill in my details and to comment on my side of the story, they said In the letter I was caught with no valid Oyster card and I could be prosecuted. In the letter I replied back that it was wrong for me and that I was on my way to my aunts who just gave birth and I was desperate to visit her which is why I used my brothers and that I'm sorry aswell as telling them I tried to order a new Oyster card to replace my lost one but it wouldn't work. what I want to know is what actions could Tfl take could they fine me or take me to court even though I have a 16+ free travel valid for myself ?? Please help

Hi, this is my first time on any forum so here i go. I drove into London not knowing what the sign you are entering a low emission zone incurred. I was sent 20 penalty notices in two batches to which i appealed, the county courts found in my favor and told me that they would take no further actions on the pnc's, but informed me that the tfl might not agree and they did not. TFL then sent me 20 copies of the original pnc's, i called them to tell my van complied to the low emission zone they asked me to send a picture of my vin plate which i did, that was in June of 2013. I heard no more them i thought the matter over. November 2013 i was sent 20 pnc's. to which i appealed they gave me four different dates for an adjudication hearing finally i got a date in August 2014. At the hearing they told me that they had sent me a warning letter i told them that i did not recived a warning letter, they then told me that every one in the country had been sent a letter explaining about the charge on entering the low emissinon zone in older vehicles. The adjudicator then said that she agreeded that i might not had been sent a warning letter - but ignorance was no excuse found in favor of TFL and the fines would stand and gave me 14 days to find £5000. I have not paid this is now up to £20,000 with the bailifs letters, i got to admit i burried my head in the sand with this. I just don't know which way to turn can you help? Many thanks

I want to bring to the attention of the Caggers a practice by TfL that I believe has serious implications for Car Hire Agreements. I’ll explain. A friend of a friend brought to my attention that TfL has been telling Car Hire firms that they are liable for Congestion Charges and PCNs if the agreement they have with the hirer is for more than a 6 month period. TfL stated the following to support their assertions: Section 66 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, which is the adopted definition used by the Road User Charging Regulations, requires that a hire agreement must be for a fixed period of less than six months to enable the transfer of liability when a vehicle is on hire. We would like to bring to your attention that since the hire period shown on the agreement is for a period of six months or greater, the document does not fall within the definition of a hire agreement and therefore liability cannot be transferred to the hirer of the vehicle. The gentleman concerned had made an appeal to PATAS and surprise surprise, the adjudicator from that collusive organisation supported TfL’s stance. It must be borne in mind that TfL is the ONLY local authority making this assertion. Straightaway I saw the ramifications of such a ruling as PATAS has effectively allowed TfL to re-write contract, hire agreement and statute law to support their stance. I decided to prepare a Request to Review for him to file in December of last year. In between waiting for a confirmation, the gentleman received a letter from TfL which was clearly a desperate attempt to sway the PATAS as it stated nothing new and attempted to cast aspersions on the legality of the Review. The review was allowed but PATAS eventually replied to my detailed submission supporting TfL – surprise surprise – citing the very same section TfL quoted as meaning Hire Agreement contracts can only be for 6 months. The regulation is Section 66(7) of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 which states, This section applies to a hiring agreement under the terms of which the vehicle concerned is let to the hirer for a fixed period of less than six months (whether or not that period is capable of extension by agreement between the parties or otherwise); and any reference in this section to the currency of the hiring agreement includes a reference to any period during which, with the consent of the vehicle-hire firm, the hirer continues in possession of the vehicle as hirer, after the expiry of the fixed period specified in the agreement, but otherwise on the terms and conditions so specified. Now as you can clearly read in the first line it states This section applies to a hiring agreement under the terms of which the vehicle concerned is let to the hirer for a fixed period of less than six months. Now anyone reading that would believe that section only applies to hire-agreements that are for a period of 6 months or less which means it wouldn’t apply to the gentleman’s hire agreements which are for a year. Yet the PATAS adjudicator states, Therefore for liability to be transferred to the hirer, the Hiring Agreement must be for less than 6 months. I don’t know how TfL & PATAS can interpret the regulation above as such! Am I being Blind? Dumb? Stubborn?! I made a detailed submission citing various pieces of legislation I felt were relevant which the adjudicator wrote “wrong”, “mistaken”, “misconceived”, without providing statutory evidence to support his stance and wilfully ignoring valid legislative aspects of the appeal. I am willing to post the appeal and the reply for further scrutiny but before I tell the gentleman to consider a High Court Review, I am posting the basic argument here, on Pepipoo and Moneysavingexpert for feedback in light of the implications. Quite simply, are TfL and PATAS right? If it will be a High Court review, I will be advising the gentleman to pool the resources of other hire companies finances as it will affect them as well. Also, whilst I await a response, do you pay the PCN if you intend to go for a HCR or make TfL know it is still being contested?

I was on the bus when ticket inspectors got on clicked my oyster card and asked for my ID card as I a discount card due to being unemployed. I did not have my card he asked for my address and name which I gave him he checked with his operator and asked if I had any other ID which I did not I normally carry all my cards but on this occasion had left them indoors. He issues me with a penalty of 80 reduced to 40 if paid before 21 days. My card is rgistered and they had my name and address but still issued the fine is this fair? Mashmallow

Hi, I stupidly walked away from a ticket inspector after being caught without tapping in on the London overground. I think in doing this I have made what was a £40 fixed penalty into a serious problem with the possibility of a criminal record, something I really can't have. I left the inspector with my Oyster card which is not registered but I have paid for with my debit card. Can tfl get this information and use it to prosecute? I am guessing they can, but wanted to check. In the case that they can what is the best course of action, to contact tfl and fess up and ask to pay the fine/costs and see if this willingness to right my wrong will prevent prosecution. Or should I wait for the inevitable letter of prosecution and try to settle out of court then? Many thanks for your help! RR

Hi All, In short I have been caught using a Freedom Pass ticket of my father. I have a auto top up Oyster card which I kept in the same place as my dad's Freedom pass. The holders of the two cards were the same on the outside and at a certain point in time i must have picked up the freedom pass without realising and went on normally using that in my everyday life. (I never actually open the holder to check cards as mine is auto top up). My dad travels abroad as he has a house in Europe and doesn't regularly use the card therefore was not aware. This was completely my fault and I have admitted to this when the officers carried an interview on me at the station when they stopped me. Since then I received the letter stating that I might be prosecuted where I followed the forums advise and apologised asking to pay all costs + admin explaining the events. 2 months later (today) I receive another letter inviting me to another interview under caution for historical offences being investigated on the oyster card. I assume these where the trips carried out by me when I was thinking I was using my normal card. I am very confused by this letter and I was worried about the consequences. The questions I have for which I would appreciate any help are: 1) Is it safer to take a solicitor? From the point of view that I want to limit any damage. 2) Since the history they probably have on file of my travelling on various occasions is valid and I am willing to pay the fine, if they decide to prosecute what is the worst that can happen in court given that I have a clean record and I raise my hand up that I did a mistake? 3) How one would respond to the letter received? Do I ask about the historical offences they are referring to? Should I again try and negotiate an out of court settlement? 4) They say I have 7 days to respond. Is this upon receipt of the letter? 5) What would be your recommended next steps? Apologise if this topic was discussed but I haven't found a thread discussing the same situation. Many thanks in advance.

Hello Guys I have been reading around the forums and it has been really helpful. My situation is, I was caught using my friends discounted 18+ oyster card last month and I got a letter asking my version of the story. I have been using it for a month with his permission (I know it was very stupid of me) and I am going to own up for my mistake. As soon as I got caught and told my friend about it, he immediately reported the card was stolen and got a new one within a week with the discount still active. I am really worried now if I will get into more trouble because of this. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this matter. regards

Howdy, I recently recieved a Penalty Fare notice on a London bus for apparently not having an Oyster card. What had happened was I tapped on, but later on in the journey my wallet was stolen without me being aware. The ticket inspector went ahead and gave a Penalty Notice. Since this is a 16+ Oyster Photocard it shouldn't be hard to prove that I actually did tap on. The can just find my name and the corresponding card and dates and journey. In any case, I appealed as soon as I got home but now I have gotten a letter saying the following: Now, I did not recieve any letter prior to this telling me any information was needed or that my appeal was rejected. My e-mail address is also on record and I received nothing there. I am attempting to call them, however I haven't managed to get through as of yet. It's clear they are just after my money, and not even bothered to verify facts. I'm sure if this was a matter of the court I would win, but obviously that isn't something that I want the bother of. Does anyone have any advice regarding this? Thank you!

I have used other's student oyster card in June and now got a second letter from TFL saying that will take me to Magistrates' court in about 10 days. There was a letter in July which asked for explanation and I replied and asked for settle out of court but it seemed not to be used at all. I have 3 actions to take: 1) plead guity and not to court 2) go to court 3) plead not guilty and reset new dates. What should I choose? If I choose 3), what will be the new date? Is it possible to be after Feb next year? and will it make things worse? I mainly worry that it will affect my visa application next Feb. I can apply for IFR normally. But if I get criminal record, I don't think I can apply IFR Can I apply for extending my current tier 1 general visa in such case? Really appreciate anyone's help!

Hi every one I saw this wonderful website and that many other people had similar issue to me I thought it would be good to post my issue here for advice. on Tuesday 4th November I was stopped by a inspector on bus 31 because I was using my mum's 50% discount oyster but this was a total mistake of me accidentally taking it because I though it was mine since my mum have health problems she tell me to fill up the card and she takes out the photocard when she fills up the card. I was going to college for a exam and I thought I had money in my oyster when I went on bus it said no money and I was told get off I ran back to home to ask my mum for money she was not home I saw a oyster on the table I was really sure this was my oyster card because I have 2 cards that my mum occasionally top up for me when I got on the bus and swiped it it said 70p taken and I figured out it was mum card and bus had gone 1 stop before inspector stopped me and took my details and took the card and told 10 days I get letter. I have received a TFL letter 3 days after the incident saying date time I was reported and that legal proceedings may be taken against me and if I have anything to say and I have written a 500 world explanation of my mistake of taking this card and im about to post it today or tomorrow reading some post and seeing the internet I see that TFL most the time prosecute people and they end up with a criminal record. I heard you can settle outside court if they accept but what does that mean ? does the money have to be paid at that point or is it monthly instalment or some type of agreement I have no job no money and my parents have no money too im really scared of what may happen. I recently became 20 and I been in UK for about 5 years I also don't have a single Pence in my bank Im really scared if out of court settlement mean i give ££££ handed cash to the them and they will drop it. All this happened because of the pressure and stress I had because of my very important exam and at the end I missed it but I im more worried about this case with TFL. I have also read TFL points to prosecute and points to not prosecute and TfL will have regard to the following factors against prosecution and it seems Point b and e is in favour of me however im not sure about e. The points that may lead to a prosecution from what I read mostly is G because I have paid for the service but with a discounted card so it cant be F wich is still not acceptable and point E im not sure because I don't know if that area is a high loss. b) Where it appears that there has been a genuine mistake of fact by the alleged offender. e) Where, owing to circumstances beyond the offender’s control, commission of the offence was unavoidable. Points that they can prosecute me g) The offender has unlawfully used or transferred a Freedom pass, Staff Pass or other concessionary passes or travel documents issued to named holders. f) The offender has failed to pay for the service or failed to have sufficient Oyster card credit before boarding a relevant service e) The offence occurred in an area or on a service known to occasion high revenue loss to TfL.

Hi Guys, Back in May I was stopped by Revenue Inspectors. During that week I had exams, and I had lost my oyster card which was not registered. On that very morning, I asked a friend if they had a spare oyster card and they handed me it. At that time I didn't think to ask about if I was allowed to use the card since he gave me the wallet and I tapped in. I was then approached by an individual who later identified himself as a Revenue Inspector. He asked to see the Oyster Card which I showed him and then he said you know you are not allowed to use a Freedom Pass belonging to another person. Of course I am aware that I am unable to use a Freedom Pass which has another person photo, but I only became aware that it was a freedom pass once It was brought to my attention by the Revenue Inspector. I should have checked and made sure I was entitled to use the card but I had an exam that day, I was running Late and I had been up all night revising so I admit I did not do all that I could. Then he said some stuff to me that TFL will write me a letter and said sign this and you can go. He didn't explicitly mentioned that I was being charged under the Regulations of Railways Act 1889, he just said anything you do say may be used against you in court or something along those lines. Then I left the station because I was stopped as I was about to start my journey. Now I want to pursue a career where it is imperative to be CRB clear, now I understand my failings but I never intended to defraud TFL. The witness statement also states the below which I don't understand: What does the last 8 journeys have to do with me? "A ticket office machine (Tom) printout is generated from A London Underground ticket office. This printout details the last 8 complete journeys when it has been presented onto an Oyster Card Validator within the transport for London zonal system. It will also details when travel card have been loaded onto the Oyster Card. This printout is obtained from a person trained in the use of the ticket office machine,and no amendmenta are made to it after its compilation" Any advice please.

Hello All, I received a PCN from tfl for entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, when I entered the box there was enough room in front for me to clear the box but another car race from the side road and joined the traffic, I reversed but the cars behind me were too close for me to completely clear the box. see attached pcn and picture http://i58.tinypic.com/10s7pdc.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/24b7s44.jpg I really want to contest this, as I didn't enter the box when prohibited - the car that joined the road at speed made me stop. Any help greatly appreciated and also is the PCN word right etc. Thanks in advance for your help

Hi everyone, The reason for doing what I did was that I am struggling with money and I find it very humiliating to ask my husband for money. I recently delivered a baby, tried to change career, done some training and tried my luck as self-employed with the outcome that we would not pay the bills without my husband's salary. I am writing all this to convey that I feel bad about what I have done. On the practical issue: I am reading the other posters and would like to thank everyone taking the time to reply mine. My situation is as follows: I’ve been using mum's freedom pass on the underground and a PAYG on the overground. Done it for approx a month. got caught in first week of December. Never done since then. The LU inspector retained my mum’s pass and got a printout of the PAYG I was using on the overground (my journeys normally comprise travelling both an overground and underground). As it happens I trained as therapist and I am very concerned that this may go down on my CRB. This is additional to the fact that I have acted in a way which is morally and legally wrong, for which I feel bad about it. I didn’t sign the report as the inspector made me feel really bad and kind of abused me. I was called a piece of trash, told that I should be ashamed of myself and that I don’t deserve being a therapist and that he was not surprised I don’t have enough clients to pay the bills. The PAYG don’t have my name on it. They would need to have CCTV footage to prove it was me using my mum’s freedom pass in the other instances, and probably even in the instance I was caught they would need CCTV as I didn’t sign the report. I was caught in one of the big stations in London. I have today received a letter from LU. This is exactly the same letter sent to rosa2009. --------------------------- On (day) at (time) an incident took place at x tube station whereby you were spoken to by a member of London Underground staff regarding your train journey and the associated fare. The facts of this incident are now being considered and I must advise you that legal proceedings may be initiated against you regarding this matter in accordance with the London Underground prosecution policy. If you have any comments to make regarding this incident please write them on the reverse side of this letter and complete the information panel below, returning the whole letter in the freepost envelope provided which does not require a stamp, within 10 days. You do not have to reply to this letter but it may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you may later rely on in court. Anything that you do provide in writing may be used in evidence. Failure to respond to this letter may result in the matter being progressed by the London Underground Prosecutions Department without further notification." There is a box at the bottom of the letter where they ask to complete the following info: Surname, Forename, Date of birth, Address, Post Code, Telephone number, Occupation, Signature and Date. --------------------------- My preferred course of action is to settle out of court, avoid any CRB, pay my fair share, learn a lesson and move on. That would help me feel better about myself. I spoke to my husband about this and my behaviour, and that was helpful in getting him to understand how I feel about not being able to have an income. My preferred course of action would imply replying the letter, admitting my fault and ask to settle. My fear is that they may not have enough evidence against me because of the fact I didn’t sign the report and because there is no name on the PAYG I was using. If I reply the letter they sent, they will get the evidence they need and in case they are not co-operative I could end up in court and get a record in CRB. Finally in terms of questions I have: Do you think it is likely they don’t have enough evidence against me? Do you think they would offer me the option to pay an X amount of money without impacting my CRB? What do you advise me to do. Many thanks, Clara