Article 50 Discussion

[tobyjugg2]

Anybody got a good image/jpg/gif of Boris Johnson as the head of a snake?

 

That is what should be leading all the campaigns.

 

He's and untrustworthy liar who sells snake oil. He should be presnted as he is.

 

[brassnecked]

He would look good as a Snake Oil Saleman, alongside 'Ol Snake Oil himself the AAC guru with dodgy research, Shankar Singham.

[London1971]

None of this changes the fact that the Tories are on course to win a majority.  In fact if Boris resigned, and the ghost of Jimmy Saville replaced him, and promised a no deal Brexit, he would win a majority.  That's how far many leavers are down the Brexit Rabbit hole.

[tobyjugg2]

among rabid leavers perhaps,

But do you really think they are in a majority?
 

 

The snake may be filling the tory party with snake worshippers, but that doesn't mean that him running on a leave campaign would win

 

... despite the dirty tricks he WILL use.

 

Get that snake message out.

 

[London1971]

Add The Rabid One's, to the one's 'who just want it over' to the one's who get their news from the Daily Mail, or down the pub.  Probably works out to 35% of the population, which due to our ridiculous electoral system is all he needs for an overall majority.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

I'll add that Johnsons recent actions are doing as much for Corbyn

as Corbyns actions have previously done for Johnson

 

 

[London1971]

I would like to believe that, but it's not shifting the Opinion Polls yet. 

[Jase1982]

25 minutes ago, London1971 said:

None of this changes the fact that the Tories are on course to win a majority.  In fact if Boris resigned, and the ghost of Jimmy Saville replaced him, and promised a no deal Brexit, he would win a majority.  That's how far many leavers are down the Brexit Rabbit hole.

 

That's not gonna happen.  I'd stake my life on the polls being quite wrong, and a hung parliament would be the most likely outcome with a Corbyn led coalition.

[tobyjugg2]

+1

 

although it possible wont even get to an election before that happens ...

Edited September 8, 2019 by tobyjugg2
addendum

[fletch70]

Who knows, maybe if Boris does a deal with the brexit party, the others might get their act together and attack the marginals with only one standing 

[tobyjugg2]

I think agreeing not to compete in areas where one has a clear lead would be a start.

 

Let Farage trust Johnson and suffer the consequences.

 

Peterborough is a shining beacon of hope, and better things still to come.

Edited September 8, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[Jase1982]

I think doing deals etc with the brexit party could be a double edged sword... how do they expect to include the remain voting tories in any election campaign if they align themselves with hard brexiteers

[fletch70]

It is also going to be interesting where Boris has thrown them out of the party- some , like Ken Clark might win because they have been good MP's for many years

[cjcregg]

13 hours ago, king12345 said:

Exactly as I said.

The good ship to leave EU has now sailed.

Whatever they decide to do now we will pay for it.

It was their plan all along, whatever the referendum result.

Didn't I say that before the referendum?

 

P.S.: Climate change... I haven't seen a single unbiased report substantiated by evidence about the planet's climate being turned around by humans.

It's a fantasy to squeeze money out of us.

Think about it: what are they planning to do with our environmental tax money? Pay mother nature to stop the planet natural evolution?

No, they're gonna pocket the money and charge us more and more with help from brainwashed nobodies, i.e. Greta.

As I said a billion time before: you should be worried if the climate DIDN'T change,  very worried.

Who are ''they''?

[fletch70]

Of course reports are only unbiased when they are seen to confirm your standpoint . Hence the DM is always biased and the Guardian normally unbiased. Oh and King , nothing like a bit of exaggeration ‘As I said a billion times before’

Edited September 8, 2019 by fletch70

[king12345]

3 hours ago, cjcregg said:

Who are ''they''?

"They" are the ones using your taxes to line their own pockets and making up shyte to charge you even more taxes.

 

Celotex anyone?

[cjcregg]

5 hours ago, king12345 said:

"They" are the ones using your taxes to line their own pockets and making up shyte to charge you even more taxes.

 

Celotex anyone?

 

Just don't say it too loudly....they're everywhere....you know who I mean....them....

[London1971]

But, to put the other side of the equation across,

 

I actually believe Corbyn is playing a blinder right now, keeping absolutely schtum, knowing that Boris is at 35% which is his ceiling. Letting him waste time and energy campaigning (badly) for a campaign that hasn't even started yet, and that he's not even control of when it does.

 

Let him get the same arguments out, to his base, and repeating ad infiniteum, then wait until he has to break his 'rather dead in the ditch promise' on the world stage, utterly humiliated and broken. Potentially, he could toy with Johnson for months, wearing him down.

 

Then just when Boris is tired, and broken, let him have his election, when not expecting it, launching a campaign designed for maximum tactical voting, energising the young, in key constituencies, at key points where students are at university.

 

Corbyn knows it's going to be the same old insults, Coalition with SNP,  Loves Russia and Iran etc and is an excellent campaigner so will be ready.  

 

[Jase1982]

The other thing to consider is that Labour have been campaigning for an election since 2017.  Temhetce not taken a breath, whereas the Torys are only just cynically bribing the nation with promises of extra spending here there and everywhere.

[London1971]

This is true, and you only need to look at how Corbyn destroyed May's '50 seat majority' in 2 weeks of campaigning.  Even with the right wing press banging on about how bad he was. It's absolutely beneficial to him not to even respond to all these ridiculous ' Your a chicken' taunts, it's making the Tories look desperate.  It will be interesting to see where we are at the end of today.

 

I'm working from home, popcorn at the ready.

[honeybee13]

About throwing money around, the two main thinktanks don't see it as the end to austerity. They're also questioning how well funded the commitments are, given that the economy is weaker.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/08/javid-decade-of-renewal-sop-tory-voters-spending-review-austerity

[unclebulgaria67]

Some  Brexit supporters such as Nigel Lawson live in France. I think Nigel Farage spends time living in mainland Europe, no doubt enjoying the fruits of having been an MEP for a long time. How many other wealthy influential people have homes in EU countries ?

 

 

Does makes you think, why people so hostile to the EU seem to enjoy living in countries where the EU is apparently so in control of everything ? 

 

The EU financial transparency rules come into effect from January 2020 and I do hope that Brexit is really not about turning the UK into a tax haven, where people can hide their wealth. It would be ironic, if the EU insisted on the UK following all financial laws of the EU, as part of any trade deal.

 

 

[honeybee13]

I thought Lawson was particularly hypocritical.

 

It seems he's leaving France because he couldn't get permission to stay.

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-lawson-to-quit-france-to-return-to-the-uk-1-5920438

[hightail]

55 minutes ago, London1971 said:

This is true, and you only need to look at how Corbyn destroyed May's '50 seat majority' in 2 weeks of campaigning. 

Corbyn is a brilliant 'people person' and May hid away.  Can't imagine Boris doing so and could be he's very persuasive in the flesh - don't know. 

Edited September 9, 2019 by hightail

[honeybee13]

He might appeal to people who believe that anything is possible if you throw enough energy and enthusiasm at it. If you want to hear reasoning and factual information, Boris probably isn't your man.