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Everything posted by Jase1982

  1. That is the reasoning, but I agree it doesn't hold water. It just proves once again that brexit is being pushed by a hidden hand. He's more afraid of not towing the line at this stage
  2. Starmer is just scared of going against what the people voted for. He thinks the risk of not supporting brexit is greater than the risks to peoples livelihood.
  3. I agree but it doesn't change the fact they're all in the system the same way we are and they vote in certain ways for varying reasons that are far far away from our own motives. The whole wretched system needs taking down and starting from scratch
  4. Its absolutely scandalous isn't it. However, I'm assuming they were whipped. The current whipping system parliament use for ensuring all red or blue MP's vote for the party line is another issue as it doesn't allow for most MP's to have a backbone. So, where's the democracy there? We have a situation where the government propose something, MP'S aren't largely able to vote with their conscience. Worse still, the government have a huge majority, so it doesn't matter too much whether there's an opposition or whether an MP believe something is truly right or wrong. Thankfully we seem to have been saved lately by the house of Lords rejecting a few bills that I've read about.
  5. No commented for a while, but I'm not sure I agree with this. Most people vote either blue or green and the vast majority have never ventured outside of this narrow political spectrum. There are decent politicians out there, it's just that they either get less exposure or the decent ones gravitate towards either the blue or red team usually dependant on family history etc. So, you end up with a congested center ground abd fringe parties that no-one votes for because they don't know enough about them. There are decent politician about.
  6. Looking back I think Clegg probably banked everything so that he could have his referendum on changing the electoral system assuming the wave of feeling the Lib Dems were getting at the time would sweep them towards a change that would see them win more seats in the future. He lost big time. I'm not seeing any huge backlash against boris on social media. I think it was Piers Morgan of all people who said that politics is getting very tribal. He's right. At the minute you have the red team and the blue team. If you support the blue team you're with them through anything, and equally if you support the red team. People that support the blue team have dug in that it doesn't matter what boris does. They even lap up that nonsense about dominic cummings driving 260 miles with covid 19 for the sake of his autistic child and then jumping out at a natural beauty spot 60 miles away to test his eyesight
  7. Yesterday I saw an article suggesting Boris is ready to "take back control" at this point suggesting someone else is to blame for this mess. I agree with Toby. They'll just rewrite history and convince people that they were held back or something by the left. Even if we have a no deal brexit it'll just be masked by the pandemic, and any hardships will just be a fallout of having to spend all this money. Any backlash on the Tory party is just wishful thinking. We just need Kier Starmer to not let it go
  8. There is no such thing as Corbynism. It is socialism. What are people going to do if Rebecca Long-Bailey becomes leader ... call it Long-Baileyism We should remember the above when looking at Labour going forward because some of Socialism is pretty sound. Otherwise we'd have no NHS.
  9. Ughhhhh, are we going there again? (take away brexit and you would have had a very different result ) I don't buy the notion that they need to go with someone different again. Corbyn came to power simply because he was considered so very different. Now that his tenure is coming to an end is there that much of a clamour to return to what it was previously? People did want something different and not another blairite clone. I know you won't like it but labour would be mad to not go with a woman this time around. It's crazy that they've never had a female leader, and this is the perfect opportunity to move on from Corbyn, although still remaining on the same track. I think Labour would truly have missed the target if they elect Keir Starmer.
  10. Yes because I agreed with the majority of his policy ideas and he was the first socialist I've had a chance to vote for. That's not following left wing propaganda. That's simply agreeing with the issues being raised and also agreeing with some of the solutions put forward.
  11. I'm not getting into this again... shall we just change it to propaganda in general so as to come together on the issue.. Although I'm at a loss to know what left wing propaganda I fell for to make me vote for Labour. But I guess that is the point. Everyone takes a particular point of view
  12. I didn't say they were stupid. It's just almost impossible to tell fact from fiction living in such a hyper normalised world. Hence why most brexiteers don't believe you when you state a fact to them.. they think facts are the work of fiction and fake news. Equally, a lot of what is said on the opposite side of the fence sounds like fake news and made up nonsense. Although, we know for an absolute undeniable fact that brexit was based on lies. I'm just trying to sound impartial!
  13. Not me .... my conscience is clear. If only all the right wing propaganda hadnt been ingested by a lot of people.
  14. He'll probably spend his time accepting £15000 free holidays from Tory donors as he did over Christmas. How anyone can be happy with these fools is beyond me. I'd get fired if I openly took a £15000 free gift. But then again, we have left the EU, and the bribery laws must be ones brexiteers want to get rid of
  15. I feel we are just going round in circles with this debate, and you have your entrenched viewpoint, which I respect. It is your view. I just disagree on some points because, to reiterate, Labour still won as many votes as Blair did in 2002. The Brexit situation split the vote, and I don't personally understand why you can't take on board that this election was unique as a lot of Labour voters turned to the Tories because of Brexit. I also don't understand how anyone can not see the role of the media in setting the anti Corbyn narrative. It is a fact that people largely get their information from news sources, and it is also a fact that the media representation was majorly anti Corbyn, or at least leaning against Labour. I don't see how someone can't see the correlation between a wholly negative media campaign and the notion that Corbyn would be very very "bad" for the country. Ask a lot of people why he would have been bad for the country and you get some vague BS about taking us back to the 1970's (Something suggested by Tory politicians and media outlets), or some nonsense about "bankrupting the country" (Again, merely repeating what some Tory politicians and media outlets have told them, without being able to coherently describe why their economic strategy would ruin us all) Your viewpoint seems to be that he's after power. I would argue that a man who has spent 40 years on the backbenches arguing against the policies of even his own party suggests otherwise. Unfortunately Corbyn has had to come to the realisation that when you get to the top in the current power vacuum, principles largely have to go out the window, and your opponents will come after you like never before. Take the media campaign about Corbyn being a terrorist as an example - 40 years an MP with access to sensitive material, yet no doubts were raised until AFTER he becomes a real threat. I think even Blair would have lost this election, especially given Iraq severely blighted his premiership. You're also under the illusion that I am some sort of Corbyn fan boy. I'm not. I support the truth, and take a reasoned viewpoint on any situation. I had never voted Labour prior to 2015.
  16. Change to what though? It seems everyone wants them to change, but there's very little clarification on what is wanted. People don't want a Blairyte Labour, but they don't want a left wing Labour. They don't want a centre ground Liberal party. Maybe this is just a reflection of Brexit, which has cast a very large cloud of confusion over the country. I heard a Brexiteer on LBC yesterday bemoaning the fact Huawei were being engaged to implement 5g, and why couldn't we find a British company to do it. Did he vote for a Labour government that would have given us greater control like the referendum stipulated? No, he voted for Johnson who will serve his own self interest and will give anything but control to the people that voted to leave the EU. The things he was talking about were literally in the Labour manifesto.
  17. No deal isn't happening, and I don't see any distinction currently between leavers and remainers. What we have now is camp Johnson.. it's whatever he wants to do. Whatever way he wants to shape the UK's future relationship with the EU etc
  18. Probably just means we'll get even less of a good deal and Boris will champion whatever rubbish deal he get's as a massive success.
  19. How the hell do they even regulate against those sort of numbers, or am I just being naive... It's not like anyone will sit there counting the food in and confirming the number of allowed deformities Or are these FDA regulations there so that they can spend absolutely nothing on any meaningful standards and regulations ...
  20. 10 million people, and brexit. That's all I'm saying. Take 10 million people, get brexit done, and then in five years build on it when the Tory's have screwed all the northerners over. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore facts all you like, but it doesn't change the fact the policies were popular.
  21. Sadly the Conservative government still think it's the industrial revolution and building a new railway will reduce timescales so much that it will boost the economy. The improvements made today are so minuscule though, that it will have little impact, but cost us an absolute fortune. They should set about improving what we currently have and modernising existing track before giving their mates multi million pound contracts. Still don't see the point of privatisation when it's the taxpayer footing the bill (partially or in full)
  22. Add to that the actual fact that these aren't trade deals because the UK government only agrees the terms and conditions under which uk businesses trade... they have minimal influence over where businesses trade. Side from the fact increased costs will make it more expensive to export.
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