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  1. Interesting article HB hers one that summarises the impact, and before all the xeno's think 'who cares about Scotland, what she states is the situation for all those English areas that use migrant labour - who simply don't seem to have a voice in England. Like Thatchers Lincolnshire for starters .. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/uk-immigration-plans-prompt-criticism-and-fresh-calls-for-scottish-visa
  2. Don't you mean that without an elected Labour Party (the one I voted for and paid into over decades, that same one that you did NOT vote for or support) there would be no NHS and looking forward at an ineffective, MP deselecting, head in sand, unelectable Corbynite labour, we can see Johnson in power for years to come ..
  3. Obfuscate and avoid - a TRUE Corbynista Corbyn junior, who is only where she is because she supported Corbyn - and apparently helped write his policies, would still be Crappy Corbynism ... which is socialism as much as stalinism was
  4. So taking 10 million labour voters as the Benchmark, that means 600,000 ex labour leave voters 2,000,000 ex labour Remain voters vs 40,000 momentum members (and even those - only 7000 of which voted for Long-Bailey) and thinking that those disaffected Remain voters will return to Corbynista Labour having been failed so badly once their choices have been so badly ignored is just more corbynista head in the sand, and more of the apparent Corbynista standard approach: - well they've got no other choice but us have they, they should listen .. .. and I have no doubts whatsoever it was driven by disaffection with the whole Corbyn package and nothing but 'stop johnson' as an excuse to do otherwise.
  5. I think thats worth examination. We know that there is no one answer, * The vast majority of those who identify as Tory will almost certainly always vote Tory * The majority of of those who identify as Labour voters will almost always vote labour (at least until Corbyn) * Hard Right will always be hard right no matter what * We can see that Corbynistas will be Corbynistas no matter what * It IS almost certain that a good number would believe the spin that it'll all be great and lets get brexit done and there WILL be an extra 350M a week for the NHS and more nurses and pay will go up and food costs will go down ... Who remembers that women on the documentary still hanging on to the 'extra 350M a week for the NHS ... she wasn't and isn't alone BUT what about the millions of others including many life long labour voters as London and I appear to belong to? .. Looked at the facts and didn't believe the spin on either side, but still didn't want Corbyn or now - Corbynism no matter how we ended up voting (perhaps in desperation voting against Johnson). Now I did vote Labour (NOT Corbyn) and reluctantly at that, but millions clearly didn't. As both Johnson and Corbyn were Brexiters ... its hard to lay the blame on Brexit ... although its clear many on both sides of the Remain/Leave camp (were the figures 30% of previously Labour Brexit voters and 25% of previously Labour Remain voters) didn't believe Corbyn was the man to deliver what they wanted. (so 25% of the approx 75% Labour Remainers and 30% of the approx 25% Labour Leavers - didn't trust Corbyn) and that IS NOT confirming Jases distorted view of Brexit as yet another in the long line of excuses for Corbyn .. it just demonstrates that vast numbers on BOTH sides didn't believe in Corbyn. Nor does it indicate that without Brexit Corbyn would have done better - it just demonstrates peoples views of Corbyn and his policies. Wont be voting for Corbynism Labour again whatever happens.
  6. Rubbish We know - just like Corbyn clinging on like a dried up bogey Surprised you thought that wouldn't happen given your stance now that it should .. and came to realise just how wrong that was Not by anywhere near as far as if they chose ANY Corbyn junior .. Whatever race, colour, creed or sexual orientation that junior might be.
  7. Bet Putins looking at all those experts he gave millions and millions too to get his way, and thinking 'I could have got this result for 100k rather than the 100M i spent 50000 votes at 3 quid each - bought the country - bargain. Hey experts I gave all that money too, we need to have a little talk ...
  8. Jase, The point I was making was that The people aren't stupid, Johnson did very little, and most of what he did was actually stupid - the people listened to Corbyn and read the policies on labourlist, like I did, and decided ' Nope' So it wasn't a major Johnson propaganda victory, it was a major Corbynista WAKE UP call, and they must have their heads deep in somewhere to keep bleating: We won the argument (like heck) We had the moral high ground (since when is deselecting your elected MP's, and telling everyone else they are wrong the moral high ground?) Our policies were right (for you maybe but not for the majority) and best of all Our policies that won us the argument (sigh) and people didn't understand (huh?) must be continued and we must show everyone else they were wrong if it takes us a hundred years ..... Look in a mirror - thats all you need to do to see the problem ... Corbyn and his ilke need to be gone. He's got us all his Brexit - he can pi** off now so we have some sort of choice on who to vote for - cause it demonstrably aint Corbyn or his continuation candidates no matter who the Tory is, or however deep your head is buried.
  9. Says the person who self-admittedly NEVER voted Labour before Corbyn Jase its that head in the sand of the loons who are holding the party to ransom that are the problem.
  10. Bold is mine, not Jase's ... Its not going away just because you refuse to look Jase You came, They saw You were conquered The people simply and quite clearly did NOT want what Corbnism was selling, and despte the crap Johnson is pouring out, the polls say it would be the same today. For the sake of the country - GO (only right thing he said)
  11. 1. Many were sick of getting nowhere 2. Nobody trusted Corbyn to get anywhere they wanted to go 3. In fact, Nobody trusted Corbyn at all - they at least trusted Johnson to be Johnson and be British ,,, even if a shoddy kind of British
  12. There are monsters in this world, yet I'm firmly of the opinion that in a world of monsters, she still stands out.
  13. I don't condone death threats to Mps in any way, and think thats abhorrent, and even if PP did die for whatever reason, I would go to the pub and throw the wake of the century to mourn her passing.
  14. I heard the answer was 'My parents were persecuted so they would be OK anyway, not like those middle eastern types who are just trying to escape a war and being beheaded or shot, let alone those lazy EU migrant workers who are just after an easy time picking a few cabbages. I mean, thats so easy our disabled and old can do that for their benefits... which they wont need as they will have a job.
  15. ‘Economically inactive’ Britons could do jobs in sectors where there are shortages under new system, says Priti Patel Patel insisted that 20% of available working age people were inactive and could be encouraged into work. When challenged on this figure, she said that plans to raise the working age to 80 would make them true. 'I saw you at your care home reaching out for some cabbage from your wheelchair at the dinner table - entirely unaided, ... so don't tell me you can't reach out and pick cabbages says Priti Patel https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/immigration-firms-will-need-to-train-more-uk-workers-says-priti-patel
  16. Getting crazier by the day Lunatic projects Eugenics enhancement drugs ... Like a mix between old steam punk, the wild wild west, and the wrath of khan
  17. Yes, it does seem to be that the face masks, low level isolations (hardly quarantine status) and hand sanitising have NOT been very effective over the two weeks and seems more like a breeding nest than an isolation. Glad I wasn't on a cruise. Of course it could be that all the folk that are infected were infected at the start of the quarantine given that the last figures I saw was that the statistics reported that only 95% of those infected showed symptoms by 12 days. Interesting that the US has had its citizens returned ... Its now clear that some, perhaps most who get infected will never show any significant symptoms and will get over a mild 'cold/chill/hangover' and be none the wiser, so that 95% at 12 days might well be optimistic or pessimistic. The more encouraging side is that it does seem to be sticking just under a 2% mortality rate - probably less if there are far more infections than we are aware of. We've had a lucky near miss I think - although it isn't over yet.
  18. and amidst mounting pressure from teh US and australia re Huawwei the US/trans pacific (since when was that next door) deal would seem to be even more feeble than even I thought it was (which wasn't much) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deals-us-trump-asia-boris-johnson-eu-a9336331.html "Studies expected to show the UK will gain little from post-Brexit trade deals with the US and the big Asian economies are being suppressed by the government, The Independent can reveal. Analyses were completed as long ago as 2017 into the probable impact on growth from agreements long hailed as the prize for leaving the EU, but ministers are refusing to release them. One trade expert said he had little doubt they were being concealed because they would – like independent studies – reveal that significant damage from new trade barriers with the continent will far outweigh the gain from other deals." "Alan Winters, professor of economics at the University of Sussex, joined with Labour in calling on ministers to reveal what they had been told, saying: “The entire Brexit debate has been conducted in a great fog of obfuscation.” "The secrecy leaves a November 2018 Treasury document as the only official forecast – putting the GDP gain from deals with the US, Australia and New Zealand at a puny 0.2 per cent." Now too me than seems to be FAR LESS the the UK benefits we are losing from the EU-Japan deal alone, let alone everything else.
  19. So do the Chinese think they can do it cheaper and faster by walking over workers, environmental and peoples rights as they do in China? or do they think they can reduce costs by dumping Chinese steel through their 'british' steel company? or do they perhaps think that they can replace Johnsons choices for running and building? ?? in the meantime this could be interesting: Sacked aide launches unfair dismissal claim after Dominic Cummings had her frogmarched out of Downing Street https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sonia-khan-sacked-downing-street-dominic-cummings-unfair-dismissal-a9337311.html
  20. So much for HS2 being a boon to British industry https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/14/uk-holds-preliminary-discussions-with-china-over-building-hs2 Don't forget who's taking over 'british Steel
  21. Volksgerichtshof https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-attorney-general-cabinet-reshuffle-judges-courts-boris-johnson-a9333951.html
  22. Let me offer some assessment and speculation HS2 was possibly justifiable as an extension of the EU transport backbone with development of the Birmingham region as a major hub. That aint going to happen now, if it ever was. Other than that it was really only ever a convenience for London as a major financial hub and for a bit faster transit of luxury goods and rich people to a rich international capital and financial hub, at the whole nations expense. The addition of 'Northern Powerhouse' extensions and links was always smoke and mirrors. With the EU not giving the UK passporting rights given the stated policies of Johnson, London will become a much reduced Singapore on Thames with tax haven ports etc and concentrating a far smaller amount of money into a FAR smaller number of people, Take a look at the collapsing house prices in London and the booms elsewhere as people leave. Without a solid manufacturing base (as Germany maintained) the UK will struggle to fund let alone properly use anything like the projected HS2 and stupid vanity projects will make a few rich, and bankrupt the nation. These are NOT the sort of projects that justify loans, let alone generate money to pay off those loans, even at historic low lending costs Unlike the tidal lagoon which does and would. Projects like HS2 just pump generations of Tax payers money into a failing economy and make it look good for a short while - then they become financial disasters.
  23. Thats a possible interpretation, but I think its getting crap in the 'budget' that looks good and can be spun up as 'whatever' without any proper costing. Headlines today, expensive waste bin or even more expensive continuation tomorrow - just like all his projects
  24. Heres one of the water cannon he bought back from the scrap yard for a bargain £2M yesterday, being used to chase off the sacked cabinet members and their staff Thats Dominic driving, Boris got caught up in the crowd ... Thats Dominic driving, Boris 'accidentally got caught up in the crowd ..
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