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  1. anyway Cutting through please confirm your stance is: 1. Smallpox is just one thing, we have a 'cure' and its gone forever (apart from 2 declared labs (and maybe one alleged other lab at most)) Even if it isn't gone forever, we have the cure for the one virus which doesn't change/mutate 2. People haven't got Coronavirus if they are clear of symptoms for 6 days?
  2. What you seem to be missing is that the smallpox virus was cleared as a result of a worldwide program of vaccination which didn't give its slower rate of mutation chance to mutate and gain a fresh foothold. They of course used the variola vaccination program which replaced the Claiming that it DOESN'T mutate is incorrect, foolish and dangerous. and as I said - the 14 days is the outside of the possible period. ie 14 days too late. "in late 1975, Rahima Banu, a three-year-old girl from Bangladesh, was the last person in the world to have naturally acquired variola major and the last person in Asia to have active smallpox. She was isolated at home with house guards posted 24 hours a day until she was no longer infectious. A house-to-house vaccination campaign within a 1.5 mile radius of her home began immediately, and every house, public meeting area, school, and healer within 5 miles was visited by a member of the Smallpox Eradication Program team to ensure the illness did not spread. A reward was also offered to anyone for reporting a smallpox case. Ali Maow Maalin was the last person to have naturally acquired smallpox caused by variola minor. Maalin was a hospital cook in Merca, Somalia. On October 12, 1977, he accompanied two smallpox patients in a vehicle from the hospital to the local smallpox office. On October 22, he developed a fever. At first he was diagnosed with malaria, and then chickenpox. He was correctly diagnosed with smallpox by the smallpox eradication staff on October 30. Maalin was isolated and made a full recovery. Maalin died of malaria on July 22, 2013 while working in the polio eradication campaign. Janet Parker was the last person to die of smallpox. It was 1978, and Parker was a medical photographer at the Birmingham University Medical School in England and worked one floor above the Medical Microbiology Department where smallpox research was being conducted. She became ill on August 11 and developed a rash on August 15 but was not diagnosed with smallpox until 9 days later. She died on September 11, 1978. Her mother, who was providing care for her, developed smallpox on September 7, despite having been vaccinated on August 24. An investigation performed afterward suggested that Janet Parker had been infected either via an airborne route through the medical school building’s duct system or by direct contact while visiting the microbiology corridor one floor above. Different types of vaccine Smallpox vaccines produced and successfully used during the intensified eradication program are called first generation vaccines in contrast to smallpox vaccines developed at the end of the eradication phase or thereafter and produced by modern cell culture techniques. Second generation smallpox vaccines use the same smallpox vaccine strains employed for manufacture of first generation vaccines or clonal virus variants plaque purified from traditional vaccine stocks, whereas third generation smallpox vaccines represent more attenuated vaccine strains specifically developed as safer vaccines at the end of the eradication phase by further passage in cell culture or animals. Second and third generation vaccines are produced using modern cell culture techniques and current standards of Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP). https://www.who.int/csr/disease/smallpox/vaccines/en/
  3. Oh and here's the official advice " Individuals should seek medical attention if they develop respiratory symptoms within 14 days of visiting Wuhan, either in China or on their return to the UK. https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/01/23/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-what-you-need-to-know/
  4. You're doing all right yourself. Show us your source for the false claim that smallpox virus/virus generally - don't mutate ... if you aren't the source :-/ I've supplied the evidence that they do. While we are waiting https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/smallpox-vials-discovered-lab-storage-room-cdc-says-n150806 Oh - and despite the accidents, I don't think that the 'declared' last lab samples should be destroyed, or that they would be the last samples even without the Siberian ice melting and mutations. aka I don't believe even at that it would be 'eradicated'. eg If anyone believes that China at least doesn't have undeclared samples and that America and Russia wouldn't keep undeclared samples even if they don't already have them, they are fooling no one but themselves ... But my reasons for keeping the samples are far more that it could easily return.
  5. oops forgot to include this link as well https://www.livescience.com/2403-climate-threat-thawing-tundra-releases-infected-corpses.html
  6. https://time.com/5678982/russia-explosion-lab-ebola-smallpox/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6131633/
  7. 2 Russian labs Not hard to find.
  8. So which is it Bazzas? Arbitrarily chose one as the 'eradication' date * The last time someone died from a 'natural' infection and the body destroyed? * The laboratory accidental infection cleanup? * The WHO arbitrary date about two years past the last known infection? * Once all frozen infected bodies in the melting North ice are defrosted and destroyed? * The date that the last sample will be destroyed (Three labs still reportedly keep samples)? * Whenever all even close variants are eradicated? Arbitrarily chose one as an 'eradication' date
  9. so how did that last death happen Bazzas "The virus wasn’t quite dead, however — just confined to medical research labs, awaiting one last shot at humankind. Six years after TIME heralded its death, a microbiologist at a British medical school inadvertently let the disease loose and infected a staff photographer, Janet Parker, who worked in an office above his lab. Her friends, family and casual acquaintances were quarantined, and since one coworker had visited North Dakota after Parker became infectious, the smallpox scare crossed the Atlantic. American health officials, per TIME, kept the visiting Brit under surveillance. Parker became the last known victim of smallpox when she died on this day, Sept. 11, in 1978. The outbreak itself claimed no other casualties. Parker’s mother contracted the disease but recovered, although Parker’s father died of a heart attack when he visited his ailing daughter while quarantined in the same hospital." and as we know, close variants are still are around and can MUTATE. We need to remain vigilant.
  10. Bazzas, you quote 2 dates in your post and ALL virus mutate.
  11. agreed to a certain extent, but the various 'eradication' dates are somewhat arbitrary but that link was an easy to read blog entry referring the findings of the reasearchgate paper and other things, not the paper itself. Sars type incubation period is 5-14 days with the CDC saying (as info increases) " The median incubation period for secondary cases associated with limited human-to-human transmission is approximately 5 days (range 2-14 days). In MERS-CoV patients, the median time from illness onset to hospitalization is approximately 4 days. projected likely worst case scenarios should ALWAYS be considered https://www.medicinenet.com/mers_middle_east_respiratory_syndrome/article.htm 10 days at least - 14 days for working on spread and infection And ALL virus mutate.
  12. Apparently 14 day incubation period, so they are at least 14 days too late
  13. great that this sort of info is becoming available away from paywalled researchgate papers. Helps to know what to look for though. https://scienceblog.com/2070/smallpox-mutation-helps-body-resist-hiv/
  14. Johnson and Smogg should be top of the prevent list, sitting on top of the DUP. oooops - thats probably got me moved up the list.
  15. clarification The mutated form of smallpox is perhaps more accurately described as a delivery mechanism for a treatment for aids
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