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  1. I think it must be that on projected votes without tactical, then the lib dems would just pass the number required and the greens would be just short. How that works with two seats as stated is far less clear, but may be that the lib dems seats are safe but would need loads more for an extra seat - and the best 'bet' is everyone vote green guaranteeing one extra and possibly good for 2.
  2. Looks like I'm voting Green East Midlands - Vote Green Current polling predicts: 1 Remainer party will win 1 seat Smart Voting indicates: A further seat can be gained for a second pro-European party. The Liberal Democrats look secure in winning a single seat. The next best placed pro-European party to win is the Greens. A Greens gain will displace a pro-Brexit party, and lock them out of the East Midlands region. Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Eastern England - Vote Green Current Polling predicts: 2 Remainer seats Smart Voting indicates: We can gain an additional seat, bringing the total to 3. The Liberal Democrats look secure in this region, but the Greens are fighting for last seat against the Brexit Party. RemainVoter.com recommends voting Green to secure a Remainer seat in East of England, blocking Farage. Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. London - Vote Change UK Current Polling predicts: 3 Remainer seats across two parties. Smart Voting indicates: We can gain a 4th seat for a third pro-European party. Lib Dem and Green seats look secure, so RemainVoter.com recommends vote Change UK to gain a 4th Remain seat in London. With Labour being non-committal, this means pro-Brexit parties cannot claim the capital. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. North East Vote Liberal Democrat Current Polling predicts 0 Remain seats Smart Voting indicates: National vote share assist With only 3 seats, the only way a Remainer can get elected is if we all co-operate. To bring a single seat within reach of a Remain party, RemainVoter.com recommends voting Liberal Democrat, and bringing a friend to the polling station. This will increase the key indicator of national vote share for Remain parties: don't give up. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. North West vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added LDs look likely to win a seat. And just a tiny movement from Lab and CUK voters to Green will give Remainers an extra seat. With 3 sitting Lab MEP retaining seats, smart voting will deliver a strong pro-European delegation. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Northern Ireland vote your preference: Alliance; SDLP; Green; Sinn Fein* In order to vote for these Remain parties in Northern Ireland, it is important NOT to add a number against any other party. Under Single Transferable Vote, if you don't put a number next to a party, your vote can never be counted for them. Scotland vote Liberal Democrats to win 2 Remain seats Current polling predicts: 3 Remain seats Smart Voting indicates: 5 Remain seats Scotland is interesting! Recent polling shows SNP confidently gaining 3 seats with undecided Labour voters blocking a 4th. RemainVoter.com modelling shows LDs have the momentum to win a seat while helping the SNP win the 4th seat. So smart voting can win a seat from a pro-Brexit party while capitalising on Labour's lack of commitment to their majority Remain membership. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. South East vote Change UK Current Polling predicts: 3 Remainer seats for 2 pro-EU parties Smart Voting indicates: We can gain a further seat for a third pro-EU party The Liberal Democrats look secure on 2 seats and the Greens on 1 seat. Neither will get another, so vote Change UK to get a 4th Remainer seat in the Southeast. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. South West vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: We can gain 1 more Remainer MEP The Liberal Democrat seat is secure, so vote Green to get a second Remain seat in the Southwest. Smart Voting returns a sitting MEP who is highly visible promoting the EU and combatting corruption. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Wales vote Liberal Democrats Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added Plaid Cymru is set to win one seat in Wales. With smart voting, the Liberal Democrats can also win a seat without encroaching on Plaid Cyrmu. That gain will mean half the MEPs in Wales are outright Remain supporters. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. West Midlands vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added It looks like the Liberal Democrats will win one seat. With Remainers voting Green, we can add a second Remain supporting MEP in the West Midlands, with Labour losing out because of its lack of commitment to their majority Remain membership. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Yorkshire and the Humber vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added The Liberal Democrats are set to win a seat. If enough people vote Green, they too will win a seat. Winning a Green seat in Yorkshire and the Humber will send a strong message that there is demand for Remain throughout the country. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease.
  3. Thats what was reported as being the 'offer to labour wasn't it - Effectively that they will agree that we will each aspire to have the option to pursue what we like, and whoever is next in power can pursue what they like. - ergo Gobbledegook meaning Nowt positive apart from limiting choices further per Mays withdrawal agreement limitations and making a hard no deal exit or indefinite uncertainty; both devastating UK investment and business; almost certain I think that Johnson being voted in to be the scapegoat May was intended to be would cause an actual split in the Tory Party rather than just the internal war that's occurring.. I have severe doubts he would get in anyway - but he could probably end up as effective 2nd in power continuing the increased levels of backstabbing, power politicking and conflict in the Tory party. Voting Lib Dem or Green in England and SNP in Scotland seems to be the ONLY options for remainers, even if they are just there to promote a revoke/re-ref. Not sure on the Welsh position
  4. Only one issue with that unc, If johnson replaces May, do you really think he would go to the people before he had too? I dont think he would risk becoming the shortest serving PM in the history of the UK. The MEP elections could be a pivotal point in our history. If only the lib-dems and greens were running together. There are no real reasons why they shouldn't and immense reasons why they should With proper organisation and presentation a lib-dem/green coalition could easily beat Farage, the Tories and Labour. Even with most of the Tories going to Farage, that could only be about 6 or 7 million votes Easily beatable. Brexiters could say theres 17 million, but I think a lot 17M have had Brexit Reality slap them in the face like a smelly rancid old trout. Remainers need to vote in the european elections - and vote for a confirmed remain Party.
  5. Same with me according to the tactical voting sites london1971, but the 2 tactical voting sites' perspectives appears to be entirely inadequate so far from what I've seen. It a real shame that the lib dems and greens aren't campaigning together. They will impact each others votes despite having many very similar policies. eg Green vote for lib dems as largest, yet lose a green seat and gain only one extra lib dem seat They do need to combine. It would also show that at least some some politicians CAN work together. Perhaps less so with change which will of its nature be a right of centre party - particularly if a number real Tories (as opposed to the right wing NF members durrently driving this mess in the tory party) leave the con party as events unfold and go to change. No idea how likely that is at the moment.
  6. or is it just that bit So, regarding direction, X marks the spot here: Lib Dems Greens SNP or change UK whichever is largest in your area Hope that helps
  7. Is that the salient bit Buckthorn? OK: EU membership and trade = GOOD EU-USA trade deal = seems potentially not too bad Brexit = Very Very Bad, UK-USA trade deal = VERY VERY bad Farage = lying conniving Does that help?
  8. Fighting against fascist right wing movements, self serving profiteers and dictatorships in the best interests of the British people? .. that I am.
  9. Well the details of the Americans 'aspirations' for a UK-US post Brexit deal are coming out: and along with the expected chlorine washed chicken and beef in hormone sauce * “Ensure that the UK does not impose measures that restrict cross-border data flows” – ending current restrictions the UK imposes as a member of the European Economic Area (EEA). so there goes your data protection and EU data sharing * “Provide full market access for US products” – eg in favour of US-style direct-marketing of drugs. - the most expensive in the world. - so there goes the NHs, and for a far more expensive alternative. and there goes source labeling. so there goes anything other than external access to the EU market In addition to the expected labeling reductions so you can't tell which chicken is NOT American chlorine washed: * Ensure remanufactured goods for export “are not classified as used goods that are restricted or banned” – not even those containing asbestos fibres, it was argued. So get you can unlabelled US remanufactured childs toys made with built in asbestos again - there goes anything other than external access to the EU market and this one * Allow the US to ditch the trade deal if it objects to the terms of any other UK agreement with a “non-market economy” - whatever the US might decide that is at any time - Now that IS vassalage especially when you consider that a number of the US requirements are completely incompatible with EU regulations AND ARE NOT and WILL NOT BE IN THE EU-US DEAL So they make us incompatible with the EU's regulations, and can dump and change our agreement as they please. Thats not even US state status - its slave state status All the risks and downsides - NONE of the benefits TRUE Vassalage yay usa - NOT a simple summary but google the detail https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-us-chlorine-chicken-nhs-drug-costs-a8803086.html
  10. Tell you what: Prediction: Despite the Labour party waffling about giving the people a say, which Corbyn is clearly resisting tooth and nail, I'll bet that its the Tories who end up doing that, while corbyn fights tooth and nail to prevent it - hence making Labour look like a bunch of ineffective self serving useless terse-pots and show the tories the Party of leadership despite any Tory civil war. The Tories will whup labour despite fighting itself and Labour at the same time.. .. So the Tories will quickly recover even if some utter TossPort like Johnson gets in after - Labour wont - thanks to Corbyn.
  11. absolutely to both posts Its as much of a win win win for May as she could hope for. * Offers nothing which can't be torrn up - and apparently defines that (Labour can pursue their options if elected, Tories pursue theirs) *Potentially gets her deal passed - which leaves all tearing up of everything on the table EXCEPT that we would have then LEFT THE EU and in the so far meaningless transition - done. Options regarding a new referendum dead - we won't get our existing deal again. * Even if it gets nowhere - the fact that Corbyn is talking about this - and whinging about leaks damages him and the Labour party no end. She's banking on Corbyns clear desire to get out at any cost - like the ERG who is driving the Tory party
  12. May to Draft New Customs Law for Brexit Deal With Corbyn in attempt to get Brexit through Source: Bloomberg newsletter " The move is an attempt to meet a key demand from Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party, which has said it wants to protect jobs and trade " Of course, Mays colander cabinet has leaked this perhaps in an attempt to damage Corbyn perhaps just to sink the back door deal Mcdonnal is in uproar about the leak as it will likely cause revolt among the Labour plebs who should not have been informed until it was too late.
  13. and May just on news interprets all the Brexit parties being trounced and the Remain Party being the main beneficiaries as: 'The people are telling us to get on with Brexit What planet is she on? Corbyn is no better
  14. This is interesting " pollster Matt Singh wrote on Thursday, opposition parties heading for national office typically win by big margins of 10 to 20 percentage points in local elections, as Labour did in the mid-1990s and the Conservatives did in the late 2000s. Oppositions heading for defeat at the next general election usually win the estimated popular vote narrowly. That would suggest Corbyn isn’t well served by a general election now, with his party divided over Brexit and the party’s message still deliberately ambiguous." and with the votes seeming to swing to anti Brexit especially as low turnouts (if it is) normally favours the nationalist populist votes ... Labour and the Tories would likely BOTH lose lots of seats in a general election. Darn good thing too in most scenarios. Of course UKIP was always generally just the nasty bit of the nasty party - perhaps Kremlin quality political manoeuvring from Farage there with his 'new' Brexit party ...
  15. Just listening to some complete prat on BBC saying that the lib dems have 'only mainly gained support in areas where they already had a base ... Duhhhhh Because where they have no existing base, they aren't fielding candidates, like here where I am interesting that a number of those at my polling station were saying they didnt want to vote for either the Tories or Labour which was the only choice. all of our candidates are just muppet drones who just point to the labour/tory page for nondescript 'policies'
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