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  1. Astonishing thing is that the Person most responsible for setting the failed exceptions of a great cake and eat it deal with his lies - is the frontrunner Should be in jail, not parliament. Let alone in the running to be PM. Johnson makes Farage look honest.
  2. That its investigative journalists who are raising the issues of blatantly broken electoral rules is the real crime If there isn't surety that the electoral process rules are being STRICTLY adhered too, CLOSELY monitored, and any breaches VIGOROUSLY pursued and SEVERELY punished, what value can any laws have when made by the law makers in power as a result?
  3. Oh and all the brexit and kipper foreign financing issues aside ... have a good read of this ... https://thefinanser.com/2018/07/much-nigel-farage-make-brexit.html/
  4. Be interesting to see what happens with May Seems to me she doesn't have to resign, all the noise is coming from the ones who already tried and failed in the last vote of no confidence She'd probably win another even if they changed therules to allow one. How stupid would that make them look? Noisy minority causing all the fuss as usual
  5. LOL yep Farage wont get off the bus if there are a couple of milkshakes about If I'd known I'd have sponsored a few dozen at every location he goes to. What a wimp.
  6. No but the MP Brexiters will be empowered and the EU par wont want to put up with his garbage as well as the financial uncertainty - they will want us gone and the issue done.. .. he and his ilk will be in the european parliament - it would matter less to the EU if they were in ours. .. but we wont have him ....
  7. O think re voting if you are already a lib or a green - then vote that way if you were some other party - vote as suggested. Re running clock out I also think its highly likely that France at least, quite possibly with some others, will veto a further extension. If Farages party gets a fair few votes - then its even more likely there will be no further extensions.
  8. I think it must be that on projected votes without tactical, then the lib dems would just pass the number required and the greens would be just short. How that works with two seats as stated is far less clear, but may be that the lib dems seats are safe but would need loads more for an extra seat - and the best 'bet' is everyone vote green guaranteeing one extra and possibly good for 2.
  9. Looks like I'm voting Green East Midlands - Vote Green Current polling predicts: 1 Remainer party will win 1 seat Smart Voting indicates: A further seat can be gained for a second pro-European party. The Liberal Democrats look secure in winning a single seat. The next best placed pro-European party to win is the Greens. A Greens gain will displace a pro-Brexit party, and lock them out of the East Midlands region. Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Eastern England - Vote Green Current Polling predicts: 2 Remainer seats Smart Voting indicates: We can gain an additional seat, bringing the total to 3. The Liberal Democrats look secure in this region, but the Greens are fighting for last seat against the Brexit Party. RemainVoter.com recommends voting Green to secure a Remainer seat in East of England, blocking Farage. Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. London - Vote Change UK Current Polling predicts: 3 Remainer seats across two parties. Smart Voting indicates: We can gain a 4th seat for a third pro-European party. Lib Dem and Green seats look secure, so RemainVoter.com recommends vote Change UK to gain a 4th Remain seat in London. With Labour being non-committal, this means pro-Brexit parties cannot claim the capital. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. North East Vote Liberal Democrat Current Polling predicts 0 Remain seats Smart Voting indicates: National vote share assist With only 3 seats, the only way a Remainer can get elected is if we all co-operate. To bring a single seat within reach of a Remain party, RemainVoter.com recommends voting Liberal Democrat, and bringing a friend to the polling station. This will increase the key indicator of national vote share for Remain parties: don't give up. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. North West vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added LDs look likely to win a seat. And just a tiny movement from Lab and CUK voters to Green will give Remainers an extra seat. With 3 sitting Lab MEP retaining seats, smart voting will deliver a strong pro-European delegation. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Northern Ireland vote your preference: Alliance; SDLP; Green; Sinn Fein* In order to vote for these Remain parties in Northern Ireland, it is important NOT to add a number against any other party. Under Single Transferable Vote, if you don't put a number next to a party, your vote can never be counted for them. Scotland vote Liberal Democrats to win 2 Remain seats Current polling predicts: 3 Remain seats Smart Voting indicates: 5 Remain seats Scotland is interesting! Recent polling shows SNP confidently gaining 3 seats with undecided Labour voters blocking a 4th. RemainVoter.com modelling shows LDs have the momentum to win a seat while helping the SNP win the 4th seat. So smart voting can win a seat from a pro-Brexit party while capitalising on Labour's lack of commitment to their majority Remain membership. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. South East vote Change UK Current Polling predicts: 3 Remainer seats for 2 pro-EU parties Smart Voting indicates: We can gain a further seat for a third pro-EU party The Liberal Democrats look secure on 2 seats and the Greens on 1 seat. Neither will get another, so vote Change UK to get a 4th Remainer seat in the Southeast. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. South West vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: We can gain 1 more Remainer MEP The Liberal Democrat seat is secure, so vote Green to get a second Remain seat in the Southwest. Smart Voting returns a sitting MEP who is highly visible promoting the EU and combatting corruption. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Wales vote Liberal Democrats Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added Plaid Cymru is set to win one seat in Wales. With smart voting, the Liberal Democrats can also win a seat without encroaching on Plaid Cyrmu. That gain will mean half the MEPs in Wales are outright Remain supporters. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. West Midlands vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added It looks like the Liberal Democrats will win one seat. With Remainers voting Green, we can add a second Remain supporting MEP in the West Midlands, with Labour losing out because of its lack of commitment to their majority Remain membership. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease. Yorkshire and the Humber vote Green Current Polling predicts: 1 Remainer seat is secure Smart Voting indicates: 1 more Remain seat can be added The Liberal Democrats are set to win a seat. If enough people vote Green, they too will win a seat. Winning a Green seat in Yorkshire and the Humber will send a strong message that there is demand for Remain throughout the country. We only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease.
  10. Thats what was reported as being the 'offer to labour wasn't it - Effectively that they will agree that we will each aspire to have the option to pursue what we like, and whoever is next in power can pursue what they like. - ergo Gobbledegook meaning Nowt positive apart from limiting choices further per Mays withdrawal agreement limitations and making a hard no deal exit or indefinite uncertainty; both devastating UK investment and business; almost certain I think that Johnson being voted in to be the scapegoat May was intended to be would cause an actual split in the Tory Party rather than just the internal war that's occurring.. I have severe doubts he would get in anyway - but he could probably end up as effective 2nd in power continuing the increased levels of backstabbing, power politicking and conflict in the Tory party. Voting Lib Dem or Green in England and SNP in Scotland seems to be the ONLY options for remainers, even if they are just there to promote a revoke/re-ref. Not sure on the Welsh position
  11. Only one issue with that unc, If johnson replaces May, do you really think he would go to the people before he had too? I dont think he would risk becoming the shortest serving PM in the history of the UK. The MEP elections could be a pivotal point in our history. If only the lib-dems and greens were running together. There are no real reasons why they shouldn't and immense reasons why they should With proper organisation and presentation a lib-dem/green coalition could easily beat Farage, the Tories and Labour. Even with most of the Tories going to Farage, that could only be about 6 or 7 million votes Easily beatable. Brexiters could say theres 17 million, but I think a lot 17M have had Brexit Reality slap them in the face like a smelly rancid old trout. Remainers need to vote in the european elections - and vote for a confirmed remain Party.
  12. Same with me according to the tactical voting sites london1971, but the 2 tactical voting sites' perspectives appears to be entirely inadequate so far from what I've seen. It a real shame that the lib dems and greens aren't campaigning together. They will impact each others votes despite having many very similar policies. eg Green vote for lib dems as largest, yet lose a green seat and gain only one extra lib dem seat They do need to combine. It would also show that at least some some politicians CAN work together. Perhaps less so with change which will of its nature be a right of centre party - particularly if a number real Tories (as opposed to the right wing NF members durrently driving this mess in the tory party) leave the con party as events unfold and go to change. No idea how likely that is at the moment.
  13. or is it just that bit So, regarding direction, X marks the spot here: Lib Dems Greens SNP or change UK whichever is largest in your area Hope that helps
  14. Is that the salient bit Buckthorn? OK: EU membership and trade = GOOD EU-USA trade deal = seems potentially not too bad Brexit = Very Very Bad, UK-USA trade deal = VERY VERY bad Farage = lying conniving Does that help?
  15. Fighting against fascist right wing movements, self serving profiteers and dictatorships in the best interests of the British people? .. that I am.
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