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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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guys i received a similar letter from civil enforcement ltd few montha ago.. after reading few forums ive decided to ignore them... after the final reminder I've received a letter today saying that they are intended to take the matter to Northampton County Court. It is not from Newlyn. i wish i cud attach the letter here...

 

Anyway the letter still looks fake to me as the County Courts Act (section 69) looks like scanned and pasted into the letter. They say they will seize my vehicle/good, and many other things they can possibly do.

 

What shall I do? Do I continue to ignore them? It just bugging me.

 

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guys i received a similar letter from civil enforcement ltd few montha ago.. after reading few forums ive decided to ignore them... after the final reminder I've received a letter today saying that they are intended to take the matter to Northampton County Court. It is not from Newlyn. i wish i cud attach the letter here...

 

Anyway the letter still looks fake to me as the County Courts Act (section 69) looks like scanned and pasted into the letter. They say they will seize my vehicle/good, and many other things they can possibly do.

 

What shall I do? Do I continue to ignore them? It just bugging me.

 

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Utter cobblers from them as usual. Unless it's stamped with the official Northampton County Court stamp, and has a case number on it (always ring Northampton CC first to check it's genuine), then you can safely continue to ignore. It's just a scare tactic. Filing a county court claim can be done online and takes about 5 minutes. If they were going to sue you, they would have done it long ago. Ignore!!!

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I received a parking notice from these people for parking too long.

 

firstly i think it was harsh.

 

Having looked on the internet i took advice to ignore letters.

 

Now i have a letter which i attached.

 

it comes after more than a year after previously ignored letters.

 

can someone tell me if it looks genuine?

 

shall i continue to ignore them?

 

pls help thanks!!

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set your default scan page size to A4 less than 300DPI [150 will do]

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets - as a picture[jpg] file

don't forget you can use a mobile phone or a digital camera too!!

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BUT......

ENSURE: remove all pers info inc. barcodes etc using paint program

but leave all monetary figures and dates.

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{DO NOT USE A BIRO OR PEN OR USE SEE THRU TAPE OR LABELS]

try www.pdfescape.com TO BLANK STUFF,

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or

DO IT IN MSPAINT.EXE or any photo editing program

goto one of the many free online pdf converter websites ...

http://freejpgtopdf.com/

if you have multiple scans/pics

put them in a word doc FIRST and convert that to PDF

or use www.pdfmerge.com

convert existing PC files to PDF [office has an installable print to PDF option]

..

 

it would be better to upload a multipage pdf if

you have many images too rather than many single pdfs

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or if you have PDF as an installed printer drive use that

or use word and save as pdf

try and logically name your file so people know what it is.

though dont use full bank names or CAG in the title

i'e Default notice dd-mm-yyyy TSB

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open a new msg box here

hit go advanced below the msg box

hit manage attachments below that box

hit the add files button on the top right

hit select files, navigate to your file on your pc

hit upload files

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dx

 

you need to blank the two claim number stickers and barcodes

 

dx

 

done if for you

 

dx

 

that's genuine

 

dx

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You will have to file a defense as ignoring the court paperwork will result in Judgement against you by default

 

Where did the original ticket come from retail park,supermarket ect

 

Others will be able to give you a strong defense

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You will have to file a defense as ignoring the court paperwork will result in Judgement against you by default

 

Where did the original ticket come from retail park,supermarket ect

 

Others will be able to give you a strong defense

 

 

You may also get help over at Pepipoo. CEL have been issuing a raft of county court claims dating back a year or so. You will find plenty of info there as well for countering CEL as several correspondents have had the same experience as you.

 

You may also get help over at Pepipoo. CEL have been issuing a raft of county court claims dating back a year or so. You will find plenty of info there as well for countering CEL as several correspondents have had the same experience as you.

 

 

That's not to suggest that you won't get excellent help from regulars on this site, just to point out that there are already several active cases from CEL already being dealt with and that you can certainly get similar advice on preparing your defence.

 

You may also find that simply notifying your intent to defend will be enough for CEL to move on to people more easily intimidated.

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The claim is genuine but on the face of it easily defended as they are claiming damages where none exist. They also claim a contract where none exists as they have not shown a relationship between your actions and any loss they incurred.

They are not the land owners so they cant say that they are entitled to damages. If you stayed beyond a specified time (even if you accept that a contract exists and I wouldnt accept that point anyway) then they can only claim for the loss, which is the £2 or so they would have got if you vacated the space and someone else parked there and the costs of recovering that loss NOT including normal business costs.

 

You could reply saying that their claim is denied and that your full defence will be filed in good time once a hearing date has been set. Choose a court local to you for the hearing (should default to your nearest court which if you live local to Coulsdon will be Croydon or Reigate) and the thought of paying a couple of hundred in rail fares to turn up may very well put them off anyway.

 

If you want to add more to your defence at this stage say that you deny a contract was made as there was no chance for you to negotiate the terms of any contract and thus the implied contract is unfair and unenforceable. (S4(1) Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977).

The claimant hasnt proved the right to make a claim by showing a contract between themselves and the land owner that allows them to sue for damages in their own right and say that you believe no such contract exists as it hasnt been shown to the defendant.

The money claimed represents a penalty as it is arbitary, not a reflection of the claimants costs for the alleged breach of contract should such a contract exist, which is denied anyway. The claimant has shown no breakdown of costs or schedule of losses to support the sum claimed.

The punitive costs claimed are disproportionate to the alleged loss. This is unfair under the Unfair terms of Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 schedule 2(1)

The action is vexatious and designed to harrass, alarm or distress the defendant into paying monies that are not owed. The defendant reserves the right to seek remedy for this.

The solicitors costs added prior to the claim are not a reflection of any sum necessarily spent on this matter prior to the issuing of the summons and are thus resisted as being arbitary.

I reserve the right to add further matters for my defence

 

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thanks for the advice guys... now i have received another letter from civil enforcement ltd.. plss see the attachment and tell me what u think? shall i continue to ignore them?

 

in the meantime i have phoned northampton county court to find out if the claim is valid and they did confirm that it was a valid claim. i seriously dont know what to do? how do i defend this if this goes further to courts? do i need to get a solicitor to help me out with all this issue?? i cant be bothered to pay anyone for this silly matter? :((

 

hello lynns

 

i received a smiliar letter 2 months ago which i continued to ignore. yesterday i received this letter, have a look... i have no idea what to do... should i continue to ignore?

 

hello snug

 

i received a very same letter from civil enforcement ltd about 3 yrs ago... ignoring their letters for 3 yrs have led to this letter which came yesterday!! these guys will go to court and drag this as much as possible to get the money from u... till now i havent paid a penny to them... however the court claim is valid and they are genuine.. so i dont really know what to do... i hope urs dont go that far... its stressful!!

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Remove the reference numbers from your PDF please merv. Also, did you ever recieve their claim form? If not, then a set aside is very straightforward.

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mervyng2 - They say they have a court judgment against you. If this is true, that is a more advanced stage in the court process than lynn has reached. If there is a court judgment in play you can't ignore it ... if the judgment is not paid within 28 days it will badly damage your credit rating and will entitle them to engage county court bailiffs to collect the debt. The options are to pay the judgment or to make a formal application to the court to have it set aside (usually only an option if you did not receive the claim form which started court proceedings). As this is a different issue it would be great if you could create your own thread in the "Legal Issues" forum with details of what documents you received before that letter.

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Hi Mervyng,

 

What happened back in April. Did you :-

 

1. Acknowledge the court claim within the required time.

 

2. File your defence within the further time allowed for that.

 

Did you receive anything from the court to confirm that Judgement was made against you, in default of you responding to the claim.

 

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It appears you did not file a defence in the manner advised to you back in April so as you did not do so a default judgement has been entered. This means that you have a CCJ against you and you now have the choice of paying up or appealing againt the default judgement.

Did you receive any paperwork between the Particulars of Claim you brought to our attention and this judgemnt letter (which is not the official court letter but their letter saying judgement has been made, which amounts to the same)? If you did, why didnt you ask what to do next, your silence has lead us to believe that you had submitted a defence and were waiting for an allocation.

Now, you must apply for a set aside of the judgement. There is a form for this and a court fee.

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Merv was told what to do but didnt submit and acknowlegement of service or a defence,contrary to the last advice on his posting. So to avoid thinking that you are receiving conflicting information you must acknowledeg the court papers within 14 days, even if it is to say that you will submit a full defence prior to the hearing when the alloction has been made.

What you cannot do is nothing.

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That letter seems to imply that a Judgment has been awarded by default. Did you submit a defence ?

 

Have you heard from the court that confirms this? If not, I would suggest you phone the court that issued the claim against you and find out why you have not been informed.

 

Process is

 

Claim is issued -

 

You acknowledge service and submit defence.

If claimant proceeds, you then receive an Allocation or Directions questionnaire which is then required to be completed and returned to the court.

 

Claim is then allocated to your local court, where a hearing date is set.

 

Did any of this happen ?

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thanks for the advice guys... now i have received another letter from civil enforcement ltd.. plss see the attachment and tell me what u think? shall i continue to ignore them?

 

in the meantime i have phoned northampton county court to find out if the claim is valid and they did confirm that it was a valid claim. i seriously dont know what to do? how do i defend this if this goes further to courts? do i need to get a solicitor to help me out with all this issue?? i cant be bothered to pay anyone for this silly matter? :((

 

What bothers me is that you don't appear to have understood advice provided earlier. Once the claim was issued you were advised to submit a defence and NOT to ignore them ?

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What bunk, damages of £250. Damages are claimed on breach of contract so they can recoup the amount they have lost, they haven't lost £250.

If it was £10 per hour to park and you overstayed 1 hour, then their losses were £10. Solicitors fees and anything else are not losses.

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posts from numerous threads merged here

 

please keep to THIS ONE THREAD

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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guys i did receive the judgment letter from court and all?? but i jus decided to ignore them after reading numerous amount of forums... what i did was wrong i guess now... i jus couldn't bother spending any time regarding this matter which happened almost 3 yrs ago!! :( so now i should spend money for "set aside"? that sucks... :(

 

here are the documents i received in april which i ignored :(

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