UKPC parking invoice - tesco Faraday retail park,Coatbank Street, Coatbridge. ML5 3SQ scotland

[buzby]

It is also worth remembering that UKPC may well be using the new trick of factoring their 'debts'. This means that even if their business model is designed simply to generate parking tickets, they'll try and make the first bunch pay the top or discounted price, then try and turn the screws for the follow up.

 

As soon as they're convinced they've shaken the payments out of their customer 'base', they then realise a value from those that DON'T pay, as they can sell on 'debt' to a collection firm for a negotiated rate of perhaps 20p/£1. It is then up to these parasites to do what they can to enforce payment by any means at their disposal. They have no interest in whether you parked where you shouldn't, they only want the money return in the investment in your name and address. If they fail, the dregs are passed on to another outfit, perhaps for 10p/£1 so that they mitigate their loss on the deal, and this third firm has a renewed effort in pursuing you for payment - for the full original amount of the ticket - this is where they make their profit.

 

Of course, since the 'debtor' has no contractual agreement with the pursuer, any court assisted recovery would be unlikely, especially if the 'debtor' plans to dispute it.

 

As long as you have the knowledge, you'll never need to take these cretins at face value.

[Tony49]

one case like that could spell the end for a LOT of PPCs...

 

hopefully there is a good chance that you daughter will follow up on the offer to slaughter the first one

(sorry about the puns..)

 

This an extract from the email I sent to Rossendales

Your ref:

Your client UK parking control limited ref:

 

Dear Sir / Madam.

I suggest this email be read by someone senior within your co. as it contains important information.

You should by now have recieved my recorded letter. references as above. Firstly my reply may not have been to your liking but an alledged debt & debt are two seperate things.

As you are representing your client UKPC on an alledged debt for parking charges. I have to inform you that you to have now broken OFT guidelines as your client co. knows this case to be in dispute. As a supposed reputable co. it is now your responsibility to look carefully at any case before you start sending out letters of threats. You knowingly have broken OFT guidelines by sending me a letter. I suggest that you get your lawyer & look again at this case very carefully and the implications it may have or entail with your co., UKPC and all other Private Parking co.s.

UKPC have not only broken OFT guidelines, but the traffic act, the disability discrimination act, and now the harrassment act along with other`s. You have now taken there mantel on for them where I have to tell you that I have been offered to me, the services of a top lawyer via my daughter who is a lawyer herself & researcher of Law at L.S.E.. If you like to check, just type in my rare surname along with LSE on internet.

As you are now party to the allegations I have to inform you that, should I receive any further threatening letters, or have doorstep collectors turn up then legal action will be taken against you. You could then end up responsible for costs and court fees yourself.

Ask yourself "Do I really want to take on UKPC`s dirty work" at the threat to your own co. You decide?

I hope this leaves you in no doubts about where I stand!

 

Yours sincerely

 

It seems that had I shown my cards earlier it would never have come to this, maybe something in it for other`s as I received less than 24 hours later by special delivery a letter from Rossendales Collect

 

I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 26th june 2008, the contents of which are duly noted.

We can confirm that we have terminated all action on the account and have returned all details back to UK parking Control Limited.

It was not our in intention to cause any inconvenience in this matter and we thank you for responding so quickly to bring this matter to our attention.

Yours sincerely

client support manager

 

 

It will be interesting to see what UKPC do now!

Edited June 28, 2008 by Tony49

[PPC Buster]

I suspect that this will be the last you will ever hear about it.

[Tony49]

just goes to show the power of knowledge, obviously helps me being related or knowing the right people, It seems thats what gets alot of people by in life! But I have to say still feel sorry for those not in the know, and maybe taken for a ride, so to put it!

[pin1onu]

just goes to show the power of knowledge, obviously helps me being related or knowing the right people, It seems thats what gets alot of people by in life! But I have to say still feel sorry for those not in the know, and maybe taken for a ride, so to put it!

Make sure you tell your friends about this [problem] and get them to tell their friends. The more people that know about the [problem] and also where to come for help (i.e. here) the better.

[papershark]

Now i have had another final final demand from Churchills/Rosendales. If i don't pay, or make arrangements within them within the next 7 days they will proceed with court action against me. Of course i wont pay... but what is the deal with the alleged charge... does it belonge to them and they will take me to court... or do they hand it back to UKPC? All along the line these companies have been vague and ridiculose with their aproach... and all all along i have told them 'i you think i owe it... take me to court'. oh well i will keep you posted... If it comes to the crunch, any young soliciters out there who need a slick website built??

[pin1onu]

Now i have had another final final demand from Churchills/Rosendales. If i don't pay, or make arrangements within them within the next 7 days they will proceed with court action against me. Of course i wont pay... but what is the deal with the alleged charge... does it belonge to them and they will take me to court... or do they hand it back to UKPC? All along the line these companies have been vague and ridiculose with their aproach... and all all along i have told them 'i you think i owe it... take me to court'. oh well i will keep you posted... If it comes to the crunch, any young soliciters out there who need a slick website built??

A debt collection agency can't initiate court action on behalf of their client. The client has to do that.

 

It's very unlikely they'll take you to court they'll have the extra charges struck out and they'll lose the case as well.

 

If you have invited them to take you to court then I'd ignore any of the drivel they send you - just add it to your file.

 

By the way it'll be small claims track of the county court so you won't need a brief unless you want one.

[buzby]

Afraid not. A DCA CAN and does have the ability to raise an action,** providing of course it is done with their full knowledge and agreement. The chances of formal action are of course remote, as any notice of a formal defence could mean they simply don;t turn up in court (or better still, the defender asks for the case to be switched to THEIR local court!).

 

 

**All part of the service

[Al27]

No debt collection agency in the country will take an action like this to court. Far too risky with no chance of getting a decent return. Absolute madness from a business perspective.

[red.ninja13]

my daughter is a top lawyer within the magic circle as they call it and has told me that if it gets out of hand then, she will pass this onto one of her colleagues who specialises in the appropriate law, it could even mean charges being made against UKPC.

 

If she does, do you think she would look into a joint case, e.g the people vs UKPC, i would be game for that

[Al27]

What would you be sueing them for? You're in the same situation as them - pretty powerless.

They send letters demanding money, backed up with lies and threats. All you can do is ignore them or send them threatening letters yourself.

 

They may be breaking laws, such as the 2006 Fraud Act, but you'll have a job getting anyone to take criminal action against them.

 

Just ignore the crooks.

[lamma]

a private prosecution perhaps

[Al27]

These are only small fly by night limited companies anyway, so can fold at a moment's notice in order to escape.

[lamma]

there are ways to address that. not going to post them on here in full view of the PPCs.

[materofvirii]

anyluck?

[red.ninja13]

i still think it would be worth it taking UKPC and rossendales/churchills down, would make me sleep better at night

[PPC Buster]

I agree, it would be worth doing.

[Conniff]

Now i have had another final final demand from Churchills/Rosendales. If i don't pay, or make arrangements within them within the next 7 days they will proceed with court action against me. Of course i wont pay... but what is the deal with the alleged charge... does it belonge to them and they will take me to court... or do they hand it back to UKPC? All along the line these companies have been vague and ridiculose with their aproach... and all all along i have told them 'i you think i owe it... take me to court'. oh well i will keep you posted... If it comes to the crunch, any young soliciters out there who need a slick website built??

 

 

This seems like another good place to put an extract of the court case lost by excel.

 

"But the far more important issue was that the judge found there was no justification for the £100 fine. He said it was a penalty charge and therefore unenforceable by the court.

[cabriochris]

I just want to say what a great website and useful advice.

I had a ticket from UKPC and followed the instructions and standard letters on here. I had to write to UKPC three times before I got a demand from Hunter Forest. I have wrote to Hunter Forest once on 1 May stating to refer my claim back to UKPC as the alleged debt is in dispute. Since that I haven’t heard a thing so I assume they have given up. All I can say is follow the step and the rest is easy. It takes a while to read all the posts but its well worth doing.

Secondly, now my GF has had a ticket in Sainsburys by Euro Car Parks for parking on the end of a bay where there were white hatching lines. Now am I right in that I can dispute this as I did with the UKPC ticket? Its civil again yes? Obviously the person she lent the car to for the day was very stupid to park there!

Cheers all.

[buzby]

Agreed - lending a vehicle is not what it was. Of course, she could say to the borrower that she paid the ticket and want's the money back. That might save her being put in that situation again!

 

Yup, it is still private land - so treat the ticket with the contempt it deserves.

[raydetinu]

Just ignore everthing, dont even bother to get into correspondance, however if they keep writing to you, just tell them you will take them to court for harrasement.

[buzby]

if they keep writing to you, just tell them you will take them to court for harrasement.

 

Whilst there may be a small sense of satisfaction in doing this, I'd strongly advise against this, for a number of reasons;

 

1) This is what they want, to establish a dialogue, so if you like - you've fallen into their 'trap' by confirming who you are and their efforts are renewed.

2) Sending you letters for debt, supposed or otherwise is not classed as harassment and never will.

3) Since there is no criminal harassment, it would have to be a civil matter, instigated by the complainant. This is outwith the scope of a Small Claims action and I'm unaware of anyone succeeding with a claim by following this route.

4) Don't threaten something you have no intention of actually doing.

5) Treat their correspondence as junk mail, and NEVER rise to the bait.

[lamma]

Sainsbury's and ECP. Got to be a civil one I surmise.

[raydetinu]

Oyh! Buzby, get real they are making hollow threats to you so whats the harm in sending one back!!!!!

[sarah1985]

Iv received a letter now stating they are comin to visit my home to recovery the money. Is this normal?