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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. 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It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. 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The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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the reason is explained in post 10

the NTK is outside of the 14 days they had

end of problem.

 

appealing is pointless and can only harm your obvious win.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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That letter will probably never come . And if it is, come back here and we will kill any attempt dead . If they still went to court, you can easily claim costs too.

 

Until then, do nothing. And remember, IF ( and its a big IF), it will be months away, maybe longer. Theres a lengthy procedure that has to be followed by them, or any court would throw the claim out themselves. Theyve failed at the very first step. SO sit back, enjoy life, and let them slip up even more.

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no

 

If/when you get a letter before/of claim from one of the fake/tame paper only solicitors then pop back.

it will NOT ever be an appeal

but an insulting letter to the solicitors.

 

go read like threads here OR parking prankster site

NOWHERE else!!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Do the right thing follow the advice given Do Not Appeal.

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Only around 10% of unpaid tickets end up in Court and that figure is even less with NCP. So why waste time,money and energy

On them.

And by appealing your name comes to their attention that otherwise wouldn't. So now they think you are worried about not paying so will try harder to get you to pay.

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It's a numbers game, they have no right to demand anything due to issues with signage, timescales and other fators that make it nigh on impossible for them to win a defended claim, by appealing they think you have MUG tattooed on your forehead, especially if someone refers in an appeal to their speculative invoice as a FINE.

 

You already have best advice, ignore but keep letters for reference and come back if you get a Letter of Claim from their tame useless solicitors like Gladdys or BW Legal.

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you are not ignoring them completely by not writing to them to appeal. They have got it wrong so let them waste their money chasing you for no purpose rather than responding and making it appear as thiough you may be mug enough to pay up if they continue to harrass you. If you want to write to someone write to the DVLA and demand to know who accessed your keeper details and when. That can make it easier to make a claim against them for breach of the GDPR and in the long run show that the DVLA is breaking the law by handing over people's details without determining whether the parking co's have any right to obtain them for the reasons stated..

 

It is all a big con so dont fall for it and go on the offensive. You have read the other thread on this site so use that information to empower you. help each other as well and it becomes less leikey the cowboys will bother trying their luck at court.

 

So when we say dotn ignore we mean dont let it get to the stage of a court summons without telling them about themselves but that is usually blasting their letter before claim ( usually wrongly constructed as well)

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as post 31

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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stop panicking and reread what you have been told very carefully.There is not a quick fix for this as they dont want to give up on the expected £100 but continue to wait and ignore any letter from any debt collector. By all menas tell us when they arrive and who sent them but remember they are meaningless threatograms sent by peopel paid just to write scary letters.

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I have received the second letter from the 'Debt Collector' today telling me that this is their final letter before handing this over to the solicitor. I've tried to upload the scan but unfortunately the PDF is too big in size.

Am I ignoring this letter as well and wait for the solicitor to contact me?

How long until I can expect to hear from the solicitor? My problem is that I will be going on holiday at the end of March for 3 weeks. If I receive a 'final' letter during the holiday with e.g. a 14 day window in which to reply I would have a problem(?)

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Have a  good holiday :classic_biggrin:

 

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Even if you get as post 31

You have 30 days

If you read around you'd have known that

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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And even if you then get a court claim you have another 33 days...so get packing and forget it:classic_cool:

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ignore.

not a Letter of claim

 

get reading like threads 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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its just a silly threatogram.   

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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BWL are the parking world second worst solictors and if you compare their letter with those written by their competitors it appears as though they even plagiarise the other dca's homework.

 

they may well be lawyers but they are acting as a rentathreat and relying on their letterhead scaring you into thinking they have superpowers when they don't.

 

as they say, they havent been instructed and their additional unicorn food tax is unlawful and as lawyers they know this but hope you dont.

 

Why the mention Trace is a bit of a mystery unless they want it to look like they aren't money grabbing dissemblers and so you are supposed to pay someone else for the unicorn food but it doesn't change the fact that as there is no admission of being the driver then you didn't agree to the terms and the POFA applies and  NCP got that so wrong there is no keeper liability so they have just killed another tree for no reason.

 

On the other hand, they may all just be totally incompetent and actually belive the rubbish they trot out but then they would have stopped sending it the first time they were caught out so immoral or dishonest it is then.

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It seems like they are not giving up. I have received the 'Letter of Claim' today (see attached - let me know if you need all pages).

 

Here is my draft, please let me know what you think.

 

Dear Madam/Sir

I have received a Letter of Claim regarding the above reference XXXXX.

I, <My Name>, am the registered keeper of the vehicle XXXXXXX but I would like to dispute the debt as the Parking Charge Notice XXXXXX is void. 
Date of incident: 06/12/2018
Date of issue of Parking Charge Notice to Keeper: 24/12/2018
Date received: 28/12/2018

I am the registered keeper but I was NOT the driver on that particular day. The driver has informed me that s/he has paid the £2.50 after arriving at the car park. 

The Recovery of Unpaid Parking Charges is guided by the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4.

The applicable section §9 specifies how this notice must be given:
(4)
The notice must be given by—
(a)
handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or
(b)
sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.
(5)
The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
(6)
A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.

 

Here §9 (4) (b) and §9 (5) are the relevant sections. The parking incident was on the 6/12/2018. The notice should have been delivered within 14 days, so it should have been received by me by the 20th of December. However the notice was only issued on the 24th of December and received by me on the 28th.

The notice is thereby invalid according to the Protection of Freedoms act 2012, Schedule 4, §6 (1) (b) and §9.


Please note that §7 and 8 and thereby §6 (1) (a) is not applicable as a notice to the driver according to §7 was never given.

You thereby have no rights under §4 to claim any unpaid parking charges from the keeper! 

The NCP has not met the keeper liability requirements and therefore keeper liability does not apply. The NCP can therefore only pursue the driver. As the keeper of the vehicle, I decline, as is my right, to provide the name of the driver(s) at the time. As the parking company have neither named the driver(s) nor provided any evidence as to who the driver(s) were I submit I am not liable to any charge.


Secondly NCP claims that no parking payment was done. The ‘evidence’ provided by NCP are two pictures of the car entering and leaving the car park. This is NOT evidence that the parking charge was not paid. The driver has confirmed to me that the parking charge was indeed paid. 
There are two possibilities, a malfunction in the system of NCP or a mistake entering the registration number. Making a mistake in entering the registration number does not equate to ‘Parking without Payment’. It only highlights a problem in the NCP system which allows the driver to enter a registration number that is not currently in the carpark. The NCP system knows which cars are in the car park at any point - so why is it not checking for this when a registration number is entered?
I am sure that an audit of the system will reveal that the registration number or a ‘similar number' not linked to any other car parked in the carpark at that point was entered and paid for during the parking period. Hence NCP never suffered any loss of income and cannot claim for unpaid parking.

 

Please consider the information provided. You should come to the conclusion that the ‘Letter of Claim’ is not enforceable and I intent to fight it should you decide to bring it to the County Court regardless.

Kind Regards

xxxxx

 

 

What do you think? I guess the best way is to send this via recorded delivery and not use their 'online' system. The have some reply form, I am inclined on not using it.

 

Thanks for your help.

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You should also point out that  as you were not the driver they cannot levy the 60 pound charge. as any decent solicitor would know. If they don't understand suggest they take legal advice and read POFA  as they appear to keep on adding it on to letters when they should be well aware the circumstances when it cannot be charged .

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nope just send them the short and sweet snotty and insulting letter EB has posted in many threads here already

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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