Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

From the BBC and our own media forums, Facebook is letting users turn off political advertising in advance of the US presidential elections in November.

 

I wonder if our referendum result would have been any different if Vote Leave hadn't been able to bombard FB users with political messages. They spent huge amounts of money on onilne ads in the days leading up to the vote.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53074995

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/cptpp-ptpgp/index.aspx?lang=eng

 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/cptpp-almost-one-year-later

 

 

https://www.mti.gov.sg/en/Improving-Trade/Free-Trade-Agreements/CPTPP

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-approach-to-joining-the-cptpp-trade-agreement

 

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/817a67f6-cae6-11e8-9fe5-24ad351828ab

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/TUC%20CPTPP%20consultation%20final%20response_0.pdf

 

https://waronwant.org/resources/tpp-briefing-trans-pacific-powergrab

 

 

Its still all about lowering/removing food and labour standards

 

[honeybee13]

This is worrying. The government is using the Brexit bill to give itself a raft of new Henry VIII powers, according to a report from the Lords.

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/16/ruling-by-decree-boris-johnson-and-his-henry-viii-powers/

[London1971]

People of this country gave them an 80 seat majority, Carte Blanche to do what they want for the next 4 years, probably 9.  The warning signs were clear as day for years but the electorate made their decision, and now shouldn't be surprised at any of this.

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.ft.com/content/a70e644e-f585-4d20-8551-9e3972004f4f

 

Japan rushes UK to agree first post-Brexit trade deal

 

When you read through the article and associated info - like the wonderful trans-atlantic standards abolition club already referred, you realise that

 

Food and farming simply aint included,

and the UK is bargaining for financial services access

 

Read deeper and you will see that the Japanese are only after extras here, as they get pretty much all they want if the UK joins the other side of the world  standards abolition club.

(see literally a few posts up)

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-japan-uk-trade-deal-boris-johnson-eu-transition-market-access-a9580731.html

 

"The European Union has a trade deal with Japan, but Britain will no longer benefit from it from the start of 2021 when the Brexit transition period ends.

 

Like some other countries with EU trade deals, Japan has declined to simply roll over its existing agreement for the UK after Brexit and has instead reopened talks, potentially extracting further concessions from the UK."

 

 

 

"From the Japanese perspective, it would be aimed at securing as much of its current UK supply chains as possible. For example, Japan would likely be willing to agree to a form of cumulation of origin that would ensure that Japanese products can still be considered as originating inputs for goods exported to the EU and vice versa.”"

 

 

ie Japanese manufacturing in the UK intended to go to the EU could continue to benefit from Japans deal with the EU ...

 

sad lol

Edited June 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

What happened to the easiest trade deals in history? Weren't they all going to be ready to go within weeks?

[brassnecked]

Those are the ones where The Beadle and his hedge fund buddies cash in on the USA trade deal flooding UK with US crap, GM, and hormone pumped beef, and the big agri get them to ban organic in UK.

[honeybee13]

Ban organic, are you serious?

 

I've said before that they don't want the origin of the food on the packaging, so people can't spot if it's come from the US.

[brassnecked]

Exactly HB

[tobyjugg2]

 

Vote Leave:

* We will have deals ready to go a nanosecond after we vote to leave

* No rational government would immediately begin any legal process to withdraw

* There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it.

 

 

David Davies:

* There is no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside’

 

 

Boris (the liar) Johnson:

* ‘There is no plan for no deal because we will get a great deal’

 

 

see - led by donkeys

 

 

and If you need something to fertilise your roses, this wont do anything any good::

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_newdeal.html

[tobyjugg2]

oops

nearly forgot

Is Turkey a member of the EU yet?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/23/vote-leave-campaign-fear-brexit-referendum

 

 

http://infacts.org/cut-keep-list-top-19-brexiteer-promises/

 

 

and to refute in advance one of the main Brexiter excuses:

https://lawyersforbritain.org/brexit-legal-guide/wto-and-international-trade/negotiating-international-trade-treaties-before-exit

 

" Since the United Kingdom’s referendum vote to leave the European Union, it has been suggested that the UK may not negotiate future free trade agreements (‘FTAs’) with countries outside the EU while it remains a member state.  This view has no support from the EU Treaties or the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU): the EU may not prevent the UK negotiating and entering into such treaties providing that they will not come into force until the UK withdraws from the EU."

Edited June 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

apparently clear evidence of Jenrick sleaze and lying regarding his unlawful involvement as well as is cummings like wanderings during lock down

 

 

"Newly released documents show exchanges between Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, and Richard Desmond, a property developer and Tory donor, as well as other documents relating to a £1bn development in east London."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/24/we-dont-want-to-give-marxists-doe-texts-between-desmond-and-jenrick

 

 

The shape of things to come.

Get ready for rights and regs being trashed and even environment poisoning low regulation fracking as soon as the oil prices rise a bit.

 

In a Singapore on Thames populist economy, no Tory supporting farmers left to need clean water and environmental protection eh

 

[honeybee13]

The Jenrick thing's pretty shocking, I agree.

 

Some commentators are saying that the pound is sliding to the status of an emerging market currency. I wonder how they'll cope with that?

[tobyjugg2]

they will say a weak pound makes our goods cheaper abroad

 

and ignore the materials to make the goods become more expensive driving up costs,

and make our industries vulnerable to foreign takeover and/or asset stripping

 

and that the Tories (aided and abetted by Labour and the libdems) have sold and depleted our manufacturing and materials base which would have buffered us somewhat.

Edited June 25, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson will be allocating blame and getting rid of a number of these in the expected reshuffle if not before

 

 

... oops

Correction:

Cummings will be allocating blame and getting rid of ...

Edited June 25, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[cjcregg]

Long Baily out then and it won't be long before be the rest of the lefties get clipped and good riddance to them.

[Jase1982]

The only people that celebrate this news are those that love censorship.  Welcome to the new world order

[London1971]

No, I'm Jewish, my Great grandfather was shot by the Nazi's in the woods. Sharing her poisonous theories, got her sacked, no sympathy. She personally offends me and all of my family. I might actually be inclined to vote Labour again if it carried on like this.

 

My father spent 50 years doorstep canvassing for Jewish Labour, in a marginal constituency and felt stabbed in the back by this den of anti semites. 

[honeybee13]

That's awful about your grandfather, London, I'm so sorry.

 

I hope Keir Starmer gets to grips with this. I seem to remember that when he started the job, he said he wanted a full report on his desk within a pretty short time.

[cjcregg]

28 minutes ago, Jase1982 said:

The only people that celebrate this news are those that love censorship.  Welcome to the new world order

 

 

No one is being censored, the article is still on The Independent and the link to it on the original tweet and retweet are still there. She got fired because she was irresponsible. 

[London1971]

She shared a racist (anti semitic) article, Labour party quite rightly are cracking down on this. I've worked at companies where people have been dismissed for racism and homophobia. There is no place for this in a civilised society. Same should apply to Political Parties.

[London1971]

4 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

That's awful about your grandfather, London, I'm so sorry.

 

I hope Keir Starmer gets to grips with this. I seem to remember that when he started the job, he said he wanted a full report on his desk within a pretty short time.

 

Was my Great Grand father, and he wasn't the only one in my family. That's why I don't understand why people think the Likes of Long Bailey spreading her hatred is somehow OK.

Anyhow, Starmer has gone way up in my estimation, he would make an excellent Prime  Minister.

[tobyjugg2]

4 hours ago, cjcregg said:

 

 

No one is being censored, the article is still on The Independent and the link to it on the original tweet and retweet are still there. She got fired because she was irresponsible. 

+1

Quite true

 

 

Do need to be careful that criticism of abuses by the State of Israel are NOT necessarily anti-semitic IMO ... any more than criticism of monstrous acts by any state

 

.. but of course it can be depending on how its presented ... even if the state act is still monstrous

 

 

Whether Baileys is one or the other is undoubtedly (sadly) arguable 

- but she should have had more sense, particularly given the history

... but no

... Even Priti Monstrous had the sense to duck and keep her gob shut for a while

 

 

 

Good riddance says I. Sooner she's long gone bailey the better.

At least she'll avoid a leader sanctioned de-selection process eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 25, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

oops

missed a crucial point in the larger picture

 

Yes, I think the Maxine Peake statement in question was anti-semetic