NCP PCN - not parked correctly - unclear markings - Cheshunt Station

[Pablo polo]

Been using the cheshunt station carpark for around 8 months and use a particular space when available- lots of others use this space as well.

its dark upon arrival and exit.

Got a charge through saying not parked correctly - and since then have not used the space but others still do so this shows its not marked clearly.

Recently the yellow lines were repainted but the white lines indicating a space are still very visible and since yellow lines have been painted thats when they have issued charges but no attempt has been made to make it look like its not a parking space .

now had three tickets for consecutive days which were prior to getting the first charge through the post.

The 'space' is not marked as do not park.

any advice greatly received!

 

 

space picture.pdf

[honeybee13]

Hello, welcome to CAG.

Could you tell us who the tickets are from please, to help us to advise you?

Please hang on to any paperwork, we may need to see it. And please don't appeal to anyone.

Best, HB

[lolerz]

Can you post up a redacted copy of the PCNs you've received and name the site address?

[Pablo polo]

NCP car park for Cheshunt Train station - PCN attached

 

 

 

2024-02-09 NCP NTK for PCN incident 2024-02-07.pdf

[lolerz]

This the place?
 

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[Nicky Boy]

Well,

Now that we know its a Private Parking Company, could you please complete the following sticky.

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/391121-have-you-received-a-parking-ticket-please-fill-this-out/#comment-4683610

Also , can we have both sides of the PCN please?

Uploads as PDF's only please.

Read > upload < for help with this.

[Pablo polo]

yes lolrez thats the correct car park- its the space where the no exit sign is- although to the right they have now made disabled parking

[Bazooka Boo]

Can you fill in the sticky above that Nicky Boy posted then you will get better advice on how to deal with NCP.

[Nicky Boy]

Whatever you do, don't appeal the charge!

It looks like this is Railway property and by-laws will apply.

This means that they can only sue the driver, not the registered keeper, and an appeal can inadvertantly inform them that you were driving.

They will have big problems proving who the driver was...

[MrPengu1n]

This looks like the spot:

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Edited February 19 by MrPengu1n

[dx100uk]

it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand

no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything.

Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter

hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do).

Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS.

Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves.

10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either.

the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get.

use of word FINE replaced by charge in post one

thread title updated.

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Cheshunt station is on railway land covered by railway byelaws. NCP can't enforce them.

as for any tarmac markings on private land, they mean nothing no matter what colour they are simply tarmac graffiti.

ignore until/unless you ever get a letter of claim.

dx

 

[FTMDave]

Where you parked certainly looks like a parking bay to me.

PPCs aren't supposed to entrap motorists, but that is what they are doing here.

As dx says, ignore, but if there are multiple tickets in the long term be prepared for a battle.

[Pablo polo]

 Date of the infringement 
07/02/24  (PCN received last last week)
12/02/24
13/02/24

 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 
Date of incident 07/02/24
date of sending notice 09/02/24

Date of incident 09/02/24
date of sending notice 13/02/24

Date of incident 12/02/24
date of sending notice 13/02/24
 Date received Give 18/02/24 and 16/02/24
 
Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] No
 
Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes- see first PDF - all the same space
 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No waiting on advice from this group
 Have you had a response?NA
 
 Who is the parking company?
NCP

 Where exactly [carpark name and town]  
Cheshunt (Hertfordshire) Train station
 
For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.
Just tells you to appeal use email address [email protected] and mentions popla

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,
unsure what this is

I'll scan the whole thing and add later - Thank you for taking the time.

 

 

2024-02-09 NCP NTK for PCN incident 2024-02-07.pdf

[FTMDave]

Very important - did they leave a windscreen ticket on your car?

Edited February 19 by FTMDave
Typo

[AndyOrch]

3 minutes ago, FTMDave said:

Very important - did they leave a windscreen ticket on your cat?

[Pablo polo]

no windscreen ticket just a letter through the post

[dx100uk]

you've upload the back page of the letter in post 1 which is an NTK not a PCN - correct?

[Pablo polo]

Front of it says parking charge notice to keeper- the front of one is in an earlier post

And back of the notice says how can I challenge pcn 

[dx100uk]

files merged and renamed now.

 not only have they failed to put a windscreen ticket on the car at the time which they must for operator observed infringements

they've also sent their NTK prior to 29 days too which also blows them out the water.

dx

 

[FTMDave]

Maybe it's me, but the thread is confusing.

Just to be clear - are you saying you've received three of these invoices through the post?

[dx100uk]

well spotted

dx

 

[Pablo polo]

Yes- all for different days.

that space has been used for months and is still being used by others so imagine they are also getting tickets.

As soon as the first one came through we no longer used that space but because of the delay of the post and no ticket on the car we were unaware they had now decided to issue tickets and have been sent 3 so far. So we are worried there could be more.

[FTMDave]

So legally you're in a great position.

Not only is the area covered by bye-laws so no keeper liability but they have entrapped you which their own Code of Practice forbids.

However, given there are three of these tickets (at least) be prepared for them being blinded by greed and so abusing legal procedure to try to intimidate you into paying.

Do we know who called NCP in?  Would it be the train station?  As you go there regularly can you look at the signs and see which authority really runs the place?  They will be the organ grinder and the people to complain to and demand they call their dogs off. 

 

[Pablo polo]

thank you i will check tonight - appreciate all of this advice. I am a little confused as to if they have to place a ticket on the windscreen? if its NTK should they have offered more than two weeks to pay the discount due to postal delays etc

at what stage do i communicate with them if at all? Im just a little worried that fines for three 'tickets' so far will soon add up or should  go straight to who ever owns the land? 

[dx100uk]

where are you still getting the idea these are FINES please?
dx