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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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just received two parking charge notices from PE today, £100 each for overstaying at a retail car park.

 

new member of The Gym at the retail park and thought I get 4 hrs free parking after registering my vehicle on their self service machine.

didn’t realise that I have to do that each time I visit.

 

Unfortunately I have paid both charges before I found these threads.

is it too late to do anything now?

 

another worry is that I have been going for a month, I am unsure how many times I could have overstayed.

I might get more PCN from Parking Eye

 

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera captur

 

1 Date of the infringement   21/12 and 22/12

 

2 Date on the NTK  25/12 on both 

 

3 Date received. 29/12

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? Y

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Y

 

6 Have you appealed? Y for 22/12, N for 21/12. appealed through parking eye website and has unfortunately identified myself as the driver on 22/12

 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Eye

 

8. Where exactly?   Great Hormer Street District Centre, Liverpool 

 

Appeals body - BPA

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well you could try and do a chargeback to the debit card provider.?

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to 2*Parking Eye PCN's for gym use - o've paid them, but more are i feel coming!!
  • dx100uk changed the title to 2*Parking Eye PCN's for gym use - i've paid them, but more are i feel coming!!

as feared I have received 3 more PCN from ParkingEye today. 

 

Date of the infringement   12/12, 14/12 and 19/12

 

2 Date on the NTK  24/12 all three

 

3 Date received. 31/12

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? Yes

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? No for all three

 

7 Who is the parking company?  Parking Eye

 

8. Where exactly?   Great Hormer Street District Centre, Liverpool 

 

 

any advice on how to proceed will be greatly appreciated. thanks. 

 

 

parkingeye PCN

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These are the pics of the car park and the signs. The gym is in the retail area.  I know I have to input my vehicle registration details on the self service machine in the gym to get an extra 2 hrs free parking (max 4 hrs) but nowhere did it say that I have to do this EACH time. 😩

 

Pls let me know if I have a case, or if I should pay the reduced charge before deadline. Ta. 

Photo.pdf

Photo_2.pdf

 

the instruction to enter then vehicle registration detail for EACH VISIT can only be found on The Gym Group website FAQ section. 
from reading the ParkingEye signage, I wrongly assumed that once I’ve done it once I’m covered for future visits. Sneaky. 

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I normally don't either, I'm not too sure about these ones but I have a friend who has mentioned this company before so let me ask him and I'll update my post.

 

Just posting so I don't forget.

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neither the sign nor the screen blurb, which is your contract to park mentions paying PE a fortune for not obeying a contract you havent been offered.

Put simply, you dont owe them because they havent offered you anything bu way of a contract to break.

They will now this but dont care and hate the idea of being caught out and having to pay back everyone else so they will try and stick it to you up to the last hurdle,

 

What to do? sit on all of these until you get a lba and then let them know abotu the lack of contract and lack of any conditon breached by way of the signage and screen. They may try suing to get you to drop the matter, esp as you ahve paid them before

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If you  look up "invitation to treat" and then consider waht is and isnt a contract you will realise that this sign deosnt apply to you and nor to anyone else if they dont like it

YOUR contract is the blurb on the check in machine and that says nowt about paying them for anything.

You have to understand they tell lies to make money out of the gullible and uninformed. dont be in those groups and learn a bit about contract law as it is not about parking at all

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I’ve looked it up but finding myself still confused after reading them. I’m not very good with legal stuff. 

 

on the check in machine, after entering the vehicle registration I think there is a warning about ensuring the detail is correct or I might be fined. I’ll take a pic of that when I go in again. 

 

so it’s ok to ignore the PCN for now? what is the likely next step by PE? debt recovery?

 

thanks. 

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It's not a fine and if they do try court you defend and win, you could sue them for the cash you already paid them others will be along with advice as well.

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re check in machine

- if it tells you somehting after you enter your details then that isnt a fair contract either as you cant have considered it before pressing the button.

 

Why are you so keen on setting yourself up to fail rather than learning how to defeat these bandits?

 

Do nothing and say nothing until you get a lba from them but in the meanwhile read and read some more on the subject of these issues.

 

Start with a couple of hundred of the threads on here and then read a few years wrth of the Parking Pranksters blogs and you will then understand why we urge peopel to fight rather than give up and pay up. i

t is a very rare charge that is actually legal

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So out of the 5 PCN I paid for two before I came to this forum for advice. I accepted that. received more letters from PE for 3 unpaid ones asking for full £100 each which I ignored

 

now I have received a letter from Equita debt collection for £170 (see attached). that’s for 1 PCN. I am expecting 2 more. Equita is threatening court action. 

 

so I understand the advice is to not engage until I get LBA. only issue is I am expecting to move out to a different address in coming months. How do I make sure that I don’t get 3x CCJs for missed LBA(s)? 

 

Thanks. 

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you write to PE informing them of your address change WHEN you know you are safety be moved in and will get mail

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no PE ignore equita they are a DCA in this guise

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They might use their letterhead that indicates they are bailiffs, they are the ones many Councils which are infested by a Capita Revenue office outsource to Enforce on Council tax Liability Orders. but here they are merely DCA with no more power than a dead battery.

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