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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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The problem is, there are arguments on both sides.  Referendum was a binary question, it shouldn't have been?Leave won ,arguably democratic.  You and I think the referendum was a stupid idea, distorted by lies, but nevertheless it involved a democratic choice.  That's me playing devils advocate.

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Fwiw, I think the referendum was called for the wrong reasons, a lot of them to do with Cameron being worried about UKIP, and that the question was badly worded. For instance, it didn't ask about leaving with no deal.

 

Cameron, aka Captain Hindsight, assumed a Yes vote was a forgone conclusion and didn't bother to give much energy to the campaign. Nor did Osborne or May.

 

The Leave campaign had all the catchy slogans although quite a few of them have turned out to be economical with the truth.

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Correct but there is a strong argument that it is democratic.  And if the boot was on the other foot, and remain had won the referendum, we would be outraged if Parliament was trying to thwart it.  So both sides can throw accusations of being undemocratic around, and both are correct.

 

 

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Let me play devils advocate to Londons devils advocating

 

 

Lets say Aldi beans are 23p a tin

 

I say come to my shop, an easy 10 paces walk around the corner and I'll sell you beans at 15p a tin (a democratic choice?)

 

You get to my shop and I say the beans are 38p a tin - but you've got to buy them

you had your choice and made it

 

?

 

 

 

How many people would pay?

 

... Let alone if you get around the corner and its the slip road to the m1 and the shop is 200 miles up the M1 ...

 

 

 

We are becoming far to comfortable and accepting of Government lying to us and then telling us thats the way it is.

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Oh and I dont just mean Johnson and Vote Leave, they are just the latest worst incarnation.

 

The thing to really be concerned about is if they get away with it

- thats the new normal ...  until it follows its natural path and quickly gets even worse.

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1 hour ago, London1971 said:

Correct but there is a strong argument that it is democratic.  And if the boot was on the other foot, and remain had won the referendum, we would be outraged if Parliament was trying to thwart it.  So both sides can throw accusations of being undemocratic around, and both are correct.

 

 

Where is the strength in an argument that the referendum was democratic? It was as undemocratic as the stunt that Johnson has just pulled as it is designed to exclude Parliament from the decision making process.

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3 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

So it's the end of democracy then?

In as much as we accept an individual in a position of power can choose to bypass Parliament I think it is.  When it's an individual who was put in that position of power by their own followers only rather than the country it starts to look more like a coup than demcracy.

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How true

 

 

This is not new, but worth a watch

Brexit: Endgame - The $20T Secret, with Stephen Fry

 

 

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4 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

So it's the end of democracy then?

I am not sure we have ever lived in a democracy- well certainly not in my voting lifetime. Once upon a time, not so many years ago, university graduates had two votes whereas others only had one. Now we get professional politicians who only want to do what is right for them- Johnson is a case in point, his switch to leave on the eve of the vote was a calculated decision with the aim of getting him where he is now- at the head of a deeply unpopular government that is only in power because the leader of the opposition hasn't understood he needs to play the game- oh and politically I support a lot of what Corbyn wants, re nationalisation of the railways and utilities and more public ownership.

 

 

By the way- living in Birmingham it is clear that not only will Brexit be a disaster but should they scrap HS2 the city will be on its knees

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The petition to prevent dissolution of parliament (how appropriate a term) is well past a million and rising

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

 

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"Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled."

 

Can't see that having any effect, potentially annoying the Leave voters who didn't want this mess, but then to a Remainer, any form of leave even EEA/EFTA is anathema so verboten.  Neither side comes out of this with any Brownie points. 

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15 hours ago, cjcregg said:

Where is the strength in an argument that the referendum was democratic? It was as undemocratic as the stunt that Johnson has just pulled as it is designed to exclude Parliament from the decision making process.

 

I am just trying to see this from the other side,

 

There are zero benefits to a No Deal Brexit.

 

I am a Remainer but would have been OK with May's deal going through.  It's also interesting reading , this.  Respectable Poll from a respectable source.  Suspending parliament isn't popular, even with leavers.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll/few-britons-back-month-long-parliament-break-before-brexit-yougov-idUKKCN1VI1TZ

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3 hours ago, brassnecked said:

 but then to a Remainer, any form of leave even EEA/EFTA is anathema so verboten.

 

No so

 

The better than our existing deal cake and eat it all the benefits none of the costs, extra deals across the world ready to go before we leave, all without affecting our single market access and with no negative effects on our access or workers and environmental rights

 

... as sold by the Leave campaign

 

Would have done very nicely thank you

 

 

But some deal much worse than our existing deal, nowt sorted, worker, food and environmental rights out the window, collapsed currency, businesses and investment leaving the country  and slavery to whoever the Yanks might vote in ...

 

No thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, king12345 said:

In the mean time Germany is fearing a deep recession triggered by their healthy motor industry collapsing in the event of import tax imposed to the UK post Brexit.

 

ROFL

 

Whys that

Someone think that financiers and politicians won't be able to afford BMW's any more?

 

They will have little choice but BMW's (or JCB's) given the collapse of the UK's motor industry.

 

Raleigh shares might be a good buy though as ordinary people wont be able to afford cars at all...

 

.. now who owns Raleigh .....

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It is going to be an interesting few days. Will BJ be defeated and if he is will he then be able to get the majority needed for an election? 

 

If Labour have any sense they will stop a no deal but let Boris go on after 31st Oct so an extension is in place. Next move would be a deal with the Lib Dems to form a coalition at a GE 

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The MPs seem to forget that No Deal is the default scenario if no agreement ratified by the end of the negotiation period, that has been extended, without a further extension we are out.  Parliament cannot ban No Deal per se, EU Law is superior to UK law now, so Parliament have messed up.

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That isn't going to happen if Johnson and the Beadle's lot are still in charge.

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2 hours ago, fletch70 said:

It is going to be an interesting few days. Will BJ be defeated and if he is will he then be able to get the majority needed for an election? 

 

If Labour have any sense they will stop a no deal but let Boris go on after 31st Oct so an extension is in place. Next move would be a deal with the Lib Dems to form a coalition at a GE 

 

I disagree

 

Johnson and his cronies will do anything and everything to throw spanners in the works.

 

As BN says, revoke is not going to happen - without a referendum

We need an extension to get to that point

and we need Johnson gone.

 

Even Corbyn for a spell is looking the lessor of 2 evils - via a coalition with the libdems.

 

 

Strangely the Tory remainers are mostly trying to save the Tory Party if you look closely.

Real Tories are in a real quandary, and a brief Corbyn coalition could do it as long as the Labour Party don't let corbyn carry on with his spoiling tactics..

If Corbyn carries on with his crap then its likely we will be quickly back in the mire.

 

 

addendum

I deliberately left out the SNP

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Crumbling Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

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