Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

7 minutes ago, London1971 said:

Also lets not forget that the US will tell us to F O if we do anything to harm the Good Friday Agreement.

 

Or if we decide to tax internet giants.

[London1971]

One day, probably the election after next, the Tories are going to be brutally punished for this.  My kids will be of voting age in a few years, we live in a heavy vote leave area but Brexit is universally hated by every one in that age range.  There will be a tipping point and at some point,a great day when it's the end of the Tories.

[brassnecked]

The Beadle and his Hedge Fund buddies stand to make a killing from bankruptcies and asset stripping.

[London1971]

5 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

The Beadle and his Hedge Fund buddies stand to make a killing from bankruptcies and asset stripping.

 

Disgusting , there is no Democratic mandate, aside from a small minority of Screeching angry No Dealers, for a hardl Brexit, a right wing coup bankrolled by the above mentioned.  They have ruined our country, one day there will be a reckoning for them.

[Jase1982]

Although in reality Teresa May probably played a blinder in calling an early election when she did.  We're all stood about crying how could she have been so stupid to lose her large majority, whilst what she did was to secure a further two years of Tory rule.  We should be having an election next year!

 

Politics is a dirty game

[brassnecked]

neither side in Parliament has shower4ed themselves in glory, Remain and the likes of Lammy, Yvette Cooper Chuka and Soubry, would not support EEA/EFTA which was a reasonable option,  but as not a Remain not acceptable, they have never accepted that result and sought compromise. 

 

They misunderstood, or just didn't get what Article 50 is and does properly.  They played around in Parliament with Bills to Ban No Deal, forgetting that the only way was to Ratify May's busted WA, Revoke Article 50  or another exension as No Deal is Default when the clock runs down.  So all are equally culpable, and it's mo use them all  calling voters thick, and generally going off in ahuff, they are part of the problem and maybe not part of any future solution.

[London1971]

Yup, they could of just bloody ratified May's Agreement, Labour included. 

[brassnecked]

11 minutes ago, London1971 said:

Yup, they could of just bloody ratified May's Agreement, Labour included. 

Yes not ideal but better than the mess the got us in thanks to not knowing what they were doing, they left an open goal; for Boris, the ERG backed by dodgy research sand publications from Snake Oil salesman Shankar Singham, The Beadle is positioning himself to take over when Boris is deposed, perhaps Beadle sees himself as a 21st Century Victorian.

[London1971]

The only thing we can say is that history will not look kindly on this bunch of fools, sadly they are taking the country down with them.

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting that the Cons have spent £24,000 on farcebook advertising in the last week apparently mainly promoting Johnson, and that Brexit Party inyerfacebook advertising; previously the biggest by far; has pretty much vanished.

 

https://www.facebook.com/ads/library/report/?source=archive-landing-page&country=GB

 

 

Top searches from past week (aka top facebook pushes)

Keyword phrases that people searched for most frequently in the Ad Library

boris johnson

conservatives

conservative party uk

brexit

conservative party

Edited August 6, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Also interesting that Trumpettes are saying quick trade deals with the US can be quickly done 'piece by piece'

 

aka

Anything the USA wants can be done quickly

... especially if it makes any deal with the EU practically impossible

 

Especially especially:

 

* Genetically modified grain and seeds

* Bleached chicken and hormone beef

* The NHS handed over to US pharmaceutical companies and privatised

* Reduction in all those nasty environmental and workers rights regulations

 

Anything we want can wait though ...

 

 

[honeybee13]

I know it's been said before, but this is taking back sovereignty and handing it straight to the US.

 

I remember them talking about telling us not to show the origin of foods, so that consumers can't spot things from the US if they want to avoid them.

[brassnecked]

Beware a Beadle making promises, what they mean  is dilution of worker rights and the  abolition of Working Time Directive, ostensibly they will say  to help workers work extra hours to earn more, reality is they will need to work 80 hours to earn the same as they did on 40 hours at the old abolished national minimum Wage, and to pay the healthcare Corporations insurance as the NHS is effectively owned by the USA.

 

Civil unrest is an odds on bet when the people fooled by the Johnson and Beadle realise what they have done.  Shankar Singham, Of the ERG, and AAC  the seller of Beadle's Snake Oil unresearched fantasy will have to leave the country, as he will be in danger from a lynch mob.

[honeybee13]

The government isn't ruling out civil unrest, Dominic Cummings is talking about invoking the Civil Contingencies Act with emergency powers. Last paragraph in this article.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/13/brexit-government-orwellian-ministry-of-truth

[tobyjugg2]

It work to a large extent against the starving Irish with those who could leaving for America

(who's descendant are powerful in the USA now)

 

as it also worked against the starving Scots, who's descendants will likely get their independence if the right wing gets its way..

 

 

 

Not working quite so well for the Chinese at the moment.

Edited August 13, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

There's a view that Downing Street is trying to keep BoJo away from the mainstream media by using Facebook where they can choose the questions. It seems to be part of the strategy to keep Boris from live encounters where he could drop himself in it, like during his party leadership campaign.

 

I wonder if his buddy Trump advised him to stay away from press conferences?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/14/boriss-facebook-pmqs-show-how-politicians-can-bypass-scrutiny

[brassnecked]

Bojo's minders will be scared of him messing up, no doubt the Beadle is having him watched.

[honeybee13]

I've never seen a PM who has been subject to so little scrutiny, have you? They just seem to be carrying on the same way as the leadership campaign, it doesn't seem right to me.

[brassnecked]

The ERG have hijacked the country to crash out and make a killing via the Hedge Funds and the US corporations they will be allowing to run NHS Services, and all that banned in the EU agricultural produce they will allow in.  Democracy it isn't neither is the EU.

[honeybee13]

This is very depressing about UK farming in the event of no deal. Rather different to what was promised in 2016.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/15/brexiteers-uk-farming-agriculture-no-deal-brexit

[hightail]

It's 'the will of the people'.  Pointless anyone who voted leave saying it's not what they voted for - whatever mess we end up in is exactly what they voted for.

 

[honeybee13]

To be fair, hightail, some of the press are saying that no deal was hardly mentioned in the referendum. And the Leave campaign didn't mention all the effects that are coming through now.

 

But I see what you're saying.  

[hightail]

1 minute ago, honeybee13 said:

To be fair, hightail, some of the press are saying that no deal was hardly mentioned in the referendum.

There's plenty wasn't mentioned but over 50% of those who voted were quite happy to leave the detail for another day so that's what they voted for.

[tobyjugg2]

20 minutes ago, hightail said:

There's plenty wasn't mentioned but over 50% of those who voted were quite happy to leave the detail for another day so that's what they voted for.

 

On what basis do you present that as any sort of truth other ... than your own personal one?

 

... Rather than that the voters believed they would

Still get ALL the benefits of single market access without the cost

PLUS 350M a week extra for the NHS

PLUS deals ready to go with the rest of the world

Plus existing rights and protections ... protected and secure

PLUS PLUS PLUS

 

as was presented by the leave campaign as what was being voted for.

[honeybee13]

This is from the Guardian just after the referendum, their reality check.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/eu-referendum-reality-check-leave-campaign-promises