Article 50 Discussion

[Consumer dude]

Parliament had already voted 6 to 1 to ask the people to decide in a referendum and three unelected old men in wigs have decided that the MPs should have another vote, what a crazy situation..

[WarrenBuffet]

She's a foreigner! ......off with her head.

[WarrenBuffet]

CD you are aware that the Referendum was never a legally binding document, the democratic process stipulates that it is then discussed and voted in parliment which the BreakIt-tears wish to ignore. Thankfully though democracy wins through.

[Consumer dude]

I've heard the old chestnut many times and yet in the official government booklet, we are told that the decision of the people will be upheld..

[barns66]

Read what Nigel says here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-gina-miller-brexit-legally-binding-advisory-eu-referendum_uk_581f054ae4b09d57a9a8c62f?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

[WarrenBuffet]

What if a large percentage of the small majority have changed their mind and been made aware of the lies told?

 

It is reasonable to change one's mind is ot not? As legalistic put it, the pills may be there but they are not yet consumed.

[cjcregg]

Parliament had already voted 6 to 1 to ask the people to decide in a referendum and three unelected old men in wigs have decided that the MPs should have another vote, what a crazy situation..

 

 

[Consumer dude]

The trouble is we can all change our mind after the event, We all went into the referendum on a equal footing with a yes or no question and in politics lies are often told but as in a general election we don't get a second chance at it do we..

[WarrenBuffet]

In 4yrs we do.

[cjcregg]

The trouble is we can all change our mind after the event, We all went into the referendum on a equal footing with a yes or no question and in politics lies are often told but as in a general election we don't get a second chance at it do we..

 

 

The Government are getting a second chance by appealing the judgment in the Supreme Court but I don't hear you or any leavers complaining about that.

[determindator]

In 4yrs we do.

 

That long?

[determindator]

I wonder who's going to bring the case of a second referendum is needed to see what happens. What a spanner in the works that would be!

 

As far as I can see we're leaving the club but there needs an intense consultation with all political parties involved and other experts in order to protect the UK citizens.

[WarrenBuffet]

Sure we can have another referendum, a European one where member states decide the future of british citizens? In any divorce is mediation not encouraged between both sides?

[king12345]

Let's have unlimited referendums until the remoaners win.

Then all would be perfectly legal, transparent, honest and democratic...

 

No, sorry I have to say this: the imposition of the minority's agenda is not democracy in any way shape or form.

Even the most perverted mind knows that when the minority rules over the majority of people it's not a case of democracy.

It's dictatorship, not better than the very same ones the minority condemns to show that they are good people.

Show your real face: You are bullies and wannabe dictators who do not accept democracy.

Instead of being hypocrites, admit that you don't give a damn about democracy and it's your way or no way.

At least you would be coherent.

[Consumer dude]

As we were led into the EU originally under false pretence, there can be no divorce, the whole sorry state is a s.cam and morally is null and void

[fletch70]

This really is a sad conversation. All the Judges have decided is that Parliament must vote on the issue. How they vote is a completely different matter.

 

It is against every value that we uphold in this country to say the courts should not consider , interpret and apply the law.

 

If we are going to do away with the courts why not just hand out a few brown shirts and let thugs like Farage do what they want.

 

Clearly I am an advocate of remaining but it seems that u less something major happens we will leave. It has to be decided on what terms we leave, all these people that are moaning about the courts , how would you have that decided? The referendum did not specify the manner of leaving or what our relationship with Europe should be, this has to be decided by someone and in our democratic crack that should be Parliament.

 

Just for info, Parliaments are elected for 5 year terms and most of us have never had a government (except the coalition) with a mandate from the majority of voters let alone the electorate.

 

I am finding the ignorance of many , on both sides, frustrating but this referendum was only ever advisory , we should all have been aware of that before we voted.

 

By the way, recent research suggests that should there be another referendum the result would be different.i.e remain would win, partly because some of those who did not vote who now vote to remain.

[fletch70]

Let's have unlimited referendums until the remoaners win.

Then all would be perfectly legal, transparent, honest and democratic...

 

No, sorry I have to say this: the imposition of the minority's agenda is not democracy in any way shape or form.

Even the most perverted mind knows that when the minority rules over the majority of people it's not a case of democracy.

It's dictatorship, not better than the very same ones the minority condemns to show that they are good people.

Show your real face: You are bullies and wannabe dictators who do not accept democracy.

Instead of being hypocrites, admit that you don't give a damn about democracy and it's your way or no way.

At least you would be coherent.

 

King , may I suggest you look at post war election data. Certainly for many years, the winning party have not won a majority of the vote. Does that make them dictators? I haven't hear you complain about that.

[fletch70]

As we were led into the EU originally under false pretence, there can be no divorce, the whole sorry state is a s.cam and morally is null and void

 

In what way were we led into the EU under false pretences?

 

We joined the common market and that was then, we then let Thatcher and Major move us into the EU. They were our elected leaders . Maggie was an ardent supporter of the EU and it's neo liberal free trade.

[barns66]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

[WarrenBuffet]

'former City Trader' ? ......was his father not a stockbroker? .....Farage never worked in the city ......did he?

[honeybee13]

'former City Trader' ? ......was his father not a stockbroker? .....Farage never worked in the city ......did he?

 

According to Wikipedia, he was a commodity broker and worked at the London Metal Exchange, which is in the City.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage

 

HB

[WarrenBuffet]

My bad! Thank you HB.

[tobyjugg2]

Even the most perverted mind knows that when the minority rules over the majority of people it's not a case of democracy.

It's dictatorship, not better than the very same ones the minority condemns to show that they are good people.

 

Are you referring to May insisting that she herself decides everything regarding Brexit without approval of a majority of our democratically elected members of parliament?

 

One - the ultimate minority.

[king12345]

Are you referring to May insisting that she herself decides everything regarding Brexit without approval of a majority of our democratically elected members of parliament?

 

One - the ultimate minority.

 

Tory government was voted in by the majority of people, May represents that majority.

Don't forget that she opposed the referendum and the leave vote, but despite her own belief, she's trying to do what the majority of people want.

I don't like her, but she's trying to do the honorable and democratic thing in this case.

Nevertheless she probably won't succeed because the moaning minority won't stop at anything until they get what they want as usual.

[barns66]

Tory government was voted in by the majority of people, May represents that majority.

Don't forget that she opposed the referendum and the leave vote, but despite her own belief, she's trying to do what the majority of people want.

I don't like her, but she's trying to do the honorable and democratic thing in this case.

Nevertheless she probably won't succeed because the moaning minority won't stop at anything until they get what they want as usual.

 

You are wrong about most of people cast there vote for the Tories or any other party,the last time a government was elected with more than 50% of the vote was in 1931