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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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I have received 2 letters from Robinson Way asking me to confirm that I used to live at an old address,

I left this address around 15 years ago.

 

I did not reply to either of these letters and (maybe foolishly) destroyed them.

 

I had previously had letters from MacKenzie Hall and eventually sent them a statute barred letter

as the debt they were referring to was not only one that I didn't recognise, but was over 6 years old.

 

Today I have had a phone call from Robinson Way which has made me feel quite scared.

 

I refused to go through their data protection as I recognised the name,

but I am very worried about what their next move might be.

 

I wish I had kept the letters now, but unfortunately on another forum I read that the best thing to do was to bin them.

 

Any advice please?

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Ignore their silly phone calls. The sole purpose of the calls is to harass you.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

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As Renegadeimp says above, the sole purpose of the phone call is to harass, bully and intimidate you into making a payment.

 

Ignore the letters asking for you to confirm your previous details, it is for them to prove and not for you to confirm or deny.

 

Eventually, you will receive a demand through the post, when you receive this letter, send back the Statute Barred letter from the template section which can be found in the top tool bar "Library" in green.

 

When Robinson Way reply, come back and post up what they have to say.

 

Do not lose sleep over these cretins, just ignore and enjoy your day.

 

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if yo've already sent one SB letter to another fleecers

and this debt is def NOT on your CRA file

and you've def NOT made any payment for 6yrs

 

then you've nailed you colours to your flagpole.

 

DCA's get about 75% of their income by Fleecing people on debts they no longer owe

hoping they do not know their legal rights.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have had another phone call this morning, this time I was actually working (I work from home) so I told them I couldn't talk. How long is this likely to go on and at what point do I take action? I am feeling really stressed about this.

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writing only put the phone down.

 

don't entertain them at all.

 

its the way they operate

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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whistle down the phone or put it to one side for half an hour.

 

They wont be able to disconnect their end and they wont be able to harass the next person down the line.

 

Alternatively you can tell them that you are not the person they are looking for

(they certainly cant prove you are otherwise the previous palaver wouldnt have happened)

and tell them that you are recording the conversation to pass on to the Information Commissioner's Ofice

and FCA as a complaint for harassing you when they havent followed the DPA requirements

and do not authorise them to ever phone you again..

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Alternatively you can tell them that you are not the person they are looking for

 

Personally would not recommend getting involved in any conversation.

 

As already advised, just say "In Writing Only" and hang up.

 

Stigman

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I have had another phone call this morning,

this time an automated message asking me to choose an option. I put the phone down.

 

I have also had a third letter with details of who the alleged debt is owed to

with a reference number, account number and amount due.

I have no idea what this alleged debt is.

 

What do I do at this stage

- as I say, I have no idea what this debt is supposed to be,

I do not believe that I have any unpaid debts

- I suspect this is the same one that has been passed to Robinson Way by MacKenzie Hall.

 

Is there any way of finding out what the debt is?

 

I feel uncomfortable not knowing and worry that it will keep getting passed from one debt collector to another.

 

And how can I send a statute barred letter if I don't know when the debt was from?

 

Help please, this is really worrying me.

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Annies advice is spot on. Just make sure you header the letter ' I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY LIABILITY TO ANY ALLEGED ACCOUNT TO YOU OR YOUR CLIENT.'

 

Use nice big red letters or something so they understand. They are known for ignoring the letters. Make sure to send it by royal mail recorded delivery, and track reciept.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

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have you checked your cra file

just to be sure it not been trashed?

 

dx

see below

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have checked my credit report through Noddle and there is nothing showing, the address Robinson Way is not even on there (although I did live there over 15 years ago). I have a 5/5 credit rating and no trace of the alleged debt.

 

Can you please explain what you mean by "to make sure it has not been trashed"?

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exactly that.

 

good nothing shows so well statute barred.

 

as annie said prove it letter now

or just cut direct to the SB letter

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have checked my credit report through Noddle and there is nothing showing

 

Noddle has been known in the past for being out of date as they are the least used of the Credit Reference Agencies.

 

Be best to check with either Experian or Equifax, but please remember that a free trial is only for 30 calender days, if not cancelled your card will be debited by up to £14.99.

You can apply by post for £2 postal order as well for a full copy of your credit report.

 

Stigman

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NEVER telephone a DCA

If a DCA rings you, refuse to go through the security questions & hang up!

 

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I have just had my fifth phone call from RW and am still refusing to discuss the matter with them.

 

I sent the prove it letter which was received and signed for by them this morning.

 

I am still worried about all this,

I have already used Experian for a credit report previously

so would have to pay £14.99 to look at my report again,

 

I could try Equifax but does anyone have any experience of Check My File,

which claims to give the most detailed report?

 

These people really are horrible,

they are making me feel very vulnerable

and I want to set my mind at rest about this alleged debt,

of which I know nothing.

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Hi freddotty,

 

If they phone again just hang up or say you will be reporting them to FCA, ICO, Office of Fair Trading, Financial Ombudsman and the CSA (Credit Services Association).

 

Or just say, "Hold on for a minute," and leave them hanging on while you clatter about, hoover, listen to the radio, whatever.

 

They have had your letter which you can prove, and they must now respond.

 

I know it's awful to be harassed by these phone calls but unless they write back within 14 days with details of a genuine debt start reporting them for demanding money to which they have no legal right.

 

DD

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ignore then.

 

files clean

sit back and laugh.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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if the sb letter has been set to robbersway

they should not be harassing a debtor.

 

report them to the oft/fos ico etc etc

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have signed up for a month's free report with Equifax. There is nothing on my credit history apart from settled and up to date accounts. How come they have "found" this alleged debt? I can see that there is a "trace enquiry" from Robinson Way on the 10th of October, but I don't know what this means.

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well they've done the same as you

looked for it to see if its 'live'

 

or they used the cra file to get your current details to harass you on.

 

this is the trouble with having

say a mobile contract

 

all you pers phone numbers get published so little fleecers can try their luck

on old dead debts

hoping they'll find a mug that don't know their rights

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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