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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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CEL ANPR PCN claimform - no permit -Fox restrnt Connault Hse Hotel Lynx way Lon E16 1JR ***Claim Discontinued***


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Hi guys,

 

I have just received attached PCN .

It was not me who was driving the car, but my partner on said date.

The place of PCN is Fox restaurant, she was the customer at the said restaurant at that time.

 

Can someone please advise if we should pay for this said charge?

She did not see the signs around, however I am able to take some pictures if need be.

 

Look forward to hearing back.

 

Thanks

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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bit of a strange one this then

they claim exact timings but have not include any ANPR pictures?

so unless an operator was there the whole time with a stop watch????

 

the NTK if they claim is anpr is out of time [14 days only to send it]..I bet this is the case

 

but for a vanishing windscreen ticket is within the 29-56 days limit...

 

typical CEL then:lol:

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 Date of the infringement - 02/11/2018

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] - 04/12/2018

 

3 Date received - 07/12/2018

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] - N

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? No

 

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] - N

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up - N/A

 

7 Who is the parking company? Civil Enforcement Ltd

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] By Fox bar, Connaught House Hotel, Lynx Way, London, E16 1JR.

 

Jokers... If it matters I have parking permit of E16 too lol. Cheers

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your council? on-street parking permit means nothing on private land.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well they cant have it bothways:-

either

 

its an ANPR capture as it gives exact timings..but the NTK is out of 14 days limit

 

or

 

its a vanishing operator windscreen PCN

 

cant be

both

 

 

go down there and take lots of pictures of the signs

what they say

where they are

and look for ANPR cameras

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Make sure that you take pics of any fixed cameras, they will or should be on poles by entances and exits, or the lack of them.

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First of all, phone the hotel and tell them that their pet cowboys are issuing demands when they are timed out to do so and as such are breaking the law.

it is your intention to fight this but you will be dragging them into the court battle that CEL will inevitably start so it would be wiser for them to tell CEL to stop this nonsense.

 

If they ask why you think it was incorrectly/unlawfully issued expalin about the lack of evidence and the time critical need to send the NTK out within 12 days of the event.

 

Google dates back to 2015 and has no signage there so another argument, that the hotel failed to indicate that patronage is only for people who accept unfair terms on an unseen contract decided by people who have been taken to court for attempting to inforce unfair contracts in an aggressive way. Make sure they know that social media is your friend end their enemy in things like this.

 

the PCN fails to be a proper notice in any respect, clearly CEL have decide to save money on printer ink by missing out all of the necessary parts to make this legal and enforceable.

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Hi Eric - greetings!

 

I have called the hotel/bar and spoke with Duty Manager.

He would not get into any talks with me and kept on telling me that there are signs everywhere and I should have seen it.

In reality he would not get into any talks with me and was completely not bothered.

 

Not sure how to proceed now then.

I have also taken some pictures of the area and in fact there are small cameras all over the place with roughly 10 signs around the car park area.

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Permit holders only.

 

so no offer of parking to you as you dton hold a permit. Therefore any claim for breach of contract is an unlaful penalty as thre has been no genuine offer of terms.

 

Usual CEL garbage signs and along with their garbage NTK they wont win a court claim. They dot care though, they will get enough people to pay up to make it worth their while to continually flout the law.

 

Now go ad find the social media pages of the otel and slag them off for their use of a bunch of crooks wh brweak the law with their signs and how useless the management are at recognising the difference.

 

Continue to igonre CEL though

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Hi there,

 

I just received a letter from QDR Solicitors trying to recover the debt, which has now grown to £182... Going from previous experience I think it is likely they will be following with court documents soon. Should I file it for time being or start preparing? 

 

I didn't get much from speaking with the hotel directly and posting on social media pages... 

 

Thanks 

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not a letter of claim

safe to file

 

its actually from ZZPS too anyway claiming to be QDR

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you MUST read these letters carefully so you dont jump to the conclusion they want you to.

solicitors act as DCA's because they already have a CC licence but Dca's arent on the solicitors roll.

 

ask yourself why the bill has goen up to £186?

read the POFA paragraph where is says about notices via the post only and you will see that they can ony charge the invoiced amount as the keeper couldn't have read the signs to agree to further amounts being added. So, they either say you were the driver and lose when you say you aren't or they stick to the rules and create a keeper liability.

 

this limits the amount of money they can earn so they tell lies.

you can tell they are lies because they are written down and sent to you when you werent the driver

--end of as far as the law goes but they will want to try and get "their" money.

 

they are all ex-clampers and are still used to getting their way by violence and intimidation so difficult to break old habits

 

open another social media account with a different email addy and trash the hotel some more. the get your first account to agree with the new comments and soon others will join in

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Good morning guys,

 

Hoping your summer is going well.

 

I have just received a claim form through the post from CCBC in regards to the above ticket.. I am starting to get worried as this is becoming serious again..

 

I have never had a pleasure of filling this form out, so was hoping someone could guide me and advise of the next steps I need to do please.

 

Obviously as suggested I have plastered their social media pages with no interaction from others, tried speaking with manager who did not care what I had to say etc. Not sure if I mentioned previously, but my partner was the driver of the vehicle at the time and she was a customer at the restaurant, but did not get a ticket for staying as she thought it would be included with the bill etc.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. Something else to add, I am leaving for holiday on 21st of September for 2 weeks. What would happen if my court case would be turned on the days during my holiday? 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

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