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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

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With the EU MEP elections still being analysed and resulting in the UK ending up with MORE pro EU MEP's, after Farage only got 5 of the 15 'eurosceptic seats the torys lost 😁

 

We look to the claimed  Brexit stronghold of Peterborough election a week tomorrow for our next 'indicator'

 

The brexit party is touted as the favourite to win with at least some vocal  locals still  being reported as claiming that.

 

 

I suppose that depends on whether the other parties get their backsides in gear and run a Farage-esque campaign with Twitter and Facebook ads and simple messages even if those messages say little ... as long as they sound good.

In the Brexit heartlands, at least - they need to fight fire with fire.

 

 

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These elections have changed nothing, everyone is just spinning it their way.

 

All contenders for PM are acting like somehow, they will be able to avoid the fate of Maggie Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron and Theresa May. All destroyed by their party over Europe.

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It might be interesting that Boris has been summoned to appear in court 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/29/boris-johnson-appear-court-eu-referendum-misconduct-claims

 

This might damage his chances of the leadership - who knows how it will change.

 

I think we are looking more and more likely to have a second referendum of some sort 

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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I wish I could believe another referendum would make some worthwhile difference.  I can't find a leave voter who admits they voted that way because of the lies (even though they were very vocal about an extra £350m going straight to the NHS at the time in my local) so they're unlikely to change their minds and vote remain a second time around.  I even know remain voters who are so sick of the whole thing now they say they'd vote leave in a second referendum just to be done with it all.

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So here;s corbyns stance:

 

He told reporters in Dublin that Labour would negotiate a new Brexit deal with the EU that would be put to the public, the Irish Times newspaper reported.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-labour/corbyn-any-new-brexit-vote-will-not-be-leave-or-remain-re-run-idUKKCN1SZ2RI

 

" “The referendum would be on a negotiated deal or alternatives to that. It’s not a re-run of 2016,” Corbyn said."

 

So its Corbyns non-existent fantasy deal or no deal

 

Sound familiar?

 

 

 

Don't forget he';s already said any Labour deal that could get a majority in Parliament wouldn't be put to the people.

 

 

So much for a move away from demagogues and listening to the party and the people

- quite the opposite.

 

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It does seem a hypocritical stance, doesn't it?  I do wonder if parties are avoiding a second referendum because they don't think they'll like the result.

 

There's an interesting article by Gordon Brown who seems to be turning into some sort of elder statesman. He thinks they've been discussing the wrong question and so do I. It isn't often I agree with GB. lol

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/30/new-battle-britain-resistance-nigel-farage

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Yup, remain still haven't got their act together, I think a second referendum could go either way by the smallest of margins again.  I just don't think many minds have been changed in the last 3 years. 

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Strange thing is a number of the core issues he raises were stated - then quickly dumped

 

* We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before any legal leave process is started

* No one is talking about threatening our place in the single market

* Only fools would start a leave process before defining the terms ...

* A second referendum after the terms are agreed

* New trade deals across the world bigger than the EU ready to go a nanosecond after we trigger the leave process

* There is NO downside

* Easiest deal in history - we will get a great deal

 

Its what won the referendum at least as much as the 350m a week lie.

 

 

 

all that aside from Enoch Farages hate mongering.

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Speaking of Lying Boris, I actually think Boris is our best hope to actually stay in the EU.  All this hard Brexit stuff at the moment is just BS to please elderly Tory party members.

 

He's totally self absorbed, vain and has no moral compass, no way is he going to cause general election triggering national chaos by throwing us into a no deal.  The history books forever saying, Boris destroyed the economy, and only served as Pm for 6 months.

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You simply cant rely on a liar. Not even from one minute to the next.

 

 

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When you think about it, every MP who voted to trigger article 50 before it was all sorted and presented back to the people - as presented

- betrayed all the voters in the referendum and the whole democratic process.

 

.. but of course, the alternative was to tell the truth

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Those who believed the lies need to continue to do so.  It's no different to those individually targeted cons where the gullible continue to send ever increasing amounts of money to con artists. 

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The truth is fake news to them,

 

Not sure if any of you have been watching Chernobyl, sadly we've really not moved on much from then in some ways, misinformation wise.

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worth a watch for those who haven't seen it.

 

Brexit: Endgame - The Hidden Money, with Stephen Fry

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It looks as if you do indeed need to be careful what you wish for. Unless there's a miracle, Boris is set to be PM by July.

 

The Guardian yesterday had excerpts from the European press and they're horrified given Boris's history with Brussels. One said he'll be a mini Trump over the Channel trying to wreck the EU.

 

Do we know what Boris actually believes in? One reason for his success seems to be telling Brexiteers and Remainers what they want to hear, but if he gets into power, he can't keep everyone happy.

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Come Oct 31st Boris will be grovelling to the EU for an extension, just like his predecessor  I'm sure the PM was party to some pretty apcalyptic assessments of a no deal Brexit, and that was the reason she didn't simply let the deadline pass.

 

That's why changing PM is about as useful as changing captain on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.

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I like the Titanic reference. :D

 

The thought of a no deal exit is scary, as is the thought of a PM proroguing Parliament or just not presenting it with any legislation to debate, which some of the leadership hopefuls want to do.

 

And to get an extension, the EU have to agree, as you say. You just have to hope that if they're dealing with Boris, who they hate, they will be so worried about the effect of no deal  on their own economies that they'll agree to an extension.

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If 'project fear' becomes reality after a no deal there are so many questions.. but there is a massive risk of a general election if things go wrong, and it won't end well for the Tories.  I would think that Boris wouldn't want to go down in the history books as the shortest serving Prime Minister ever.

 

Or for that matter the PM directly responsible for paralysing the UK economy.

 

Also the other question, canceling parliament? to stop them making a decision, good luck with that, your going to need parliament on your side Mr PM. Remember your majority is as thin as a razor blade.

 

Edit, you have no majority

 

 

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I'm reading that Boris's leadership rivals have all signed up for the debate on Channel 4 on Sunday. He'll be represented by an empty chair if he doesn't turn up.

 

Boris's campaign seems to be on a news blackout, I assume because they're terrified the real Boris will show through. So far he's refused interviews and has taken six questions from journos. I didn't think he answered any of them yesterday.

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Yup, 

 

Which is part of the reason I don't think he will win, and he's peaked far too early IMO. 

 

 

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I think honeybee13 has given you the reason why he WILL win.

 

It's inconceivable that he won't be one of the last 2 candidates, the final vote being made by the 160,000 odd conservative party members and his tax cut proposal to raise the higher rate threshold to £80k was precisely aimed to appeal to those 160,000 people.

 

Politically, at least, he knows exactly what he's doing.

 

 

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Maybe so, but he's hugely popular now, plenty of time to ruin things, and when you think about it he was an awful Foreign Secretary which on reflection doesn't bode well for the office of Prime Minister. Meanwhile, Jeremy Hunt quietly in the running.

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6 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

And to get an extension, the EU have to agree, as you say. You just have to hope that if they're dealing with Boris, who they hate, they will be so worried about the effect of no deal  on their own economies that they'll agree to an extension.

 

Personally I think the effect of Brexit on the EU (from their perspective) has been made out to be more convoluted than it is in reality.  People keep saying that they'll still buy and sell from us regardless.  And whilst I disagree with the blaise way in which people dismiss any negativity, the statement is true.  The EU will continue to trade with us, but the terms under which they trade will suffer - So as I see it, international firms will have a choice.  To keep investing in the UK and to keep paying more for products we export, or to go elsewhere.  To my mind it's a simple business choice.  If in fact we do make things more expensive to buy in, and harder to obtain through lack of any trade agreement or customs agreement then businesses would be stupid to purchase from us.  I think a lot of people are blind to the fact that whilst we have a manufacturing sector, we don't manufacture complete products here, and we don't have a lot of the raw materials within the UK.  Having no trade deals would just make it more expensive to import the goods we need to maintain our supply chain, whilst making it more expensive to export.

 

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If 'project fear' becomes reality after a no deal there are so many questions.. but there is a massive risk of a general election if things go wrong, and it won't end well for the Tories.  I would think that Boris wouldn't want to go down in the history books as the shortest serving Prime Minister ever.

 

A general election won't happen.  The numbers don't exist within parliament to make it happen.  We would need the new PM To call one, and that would be suicide.

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A general election won't happen.  The numbers don't exist within parliament to make it happen.  We would need to new PM To call one, and that would be suicide.

 

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So what exactly is a parliamentary no confidence vote? A motion of no confidence, or censure motion, is a motion moved in the House of Commons with the wording: “That this House has no confidence in HM Government”. It signifies that the government has lost the support of the Commons (the legislature), without which it is impossible to operate effectively. Retaining the confidence of the Commons is a core principle of the UK constitution.

The current rules are outlined in the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. If a motion stating “That this House has no confidence in HM Government” is lost by the government and a new government with the support of a majority of MPs cannot be formed within 14 days, parliament is dissolved and an early general election is triggered.

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Yeah, and there aren't enough MP's within parliament to carry through a motion of no confidence.  We've seen it before.  Maybe if the Tories see a load more defectors to the independent party or whatever they want to call themselves.

 

It's uncharted territory, maybe if the new PM goes for a no deal scenario, but it would take a hell of a lot for any Tory to betray their party.

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