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Hi ,

We have been issued with a window ticket

in a free car park of an entertainment complex

with lots of restaurant's etc as we where ," observed leaving site".

 

 

We did leave for 30 minutes on arrival but returned to visit the arcades .

 

 

I am wondering do we appeal now or do we wait until they make contact with us.

 

 

I have read several posts on here, but still not sure of the correct protocol for this .

 

 

The husband is out taking a photo of the signage now to see if that will aid our appeal.

 

 

Also if someone watched us walk away,

would they have been permitted to take a video/photo to support their ticket?

or does it come down to their word against ours?

 

 

and finally

 

 

how do I go about finding out who owns the land that UKCPS work for?.

 

 

Please feel free to point me in the direction of a past post that may cover all my questions.

 

 

Thanks for your help in this matter

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Hi Janis and welcome,

The experts will be along in a while but the first thing you have to do is nothing.

 

Wait for the notice to keeper arriving in the post, then you appeal as the keeper not the driver.

Have a read of some of the threads here, you'll soon get the idea.

 

You don't owe them a penny for using a free car park and you can't be penalised for leaving the site ( that's mentioned in a thread here somewhere)

Illegitimi non carborundum

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Hi Janis and welcome,

The experts will be along in a while but the first thing you have to do is nothing.

 

Wait for the notice to keeper arriving in the post, then you appeal as the keeper not the driver.

Have a read of some of the threads here, you'll soon get the idea.

 

You don't owe them a penny for using a free car park and you can't be penalised for leaving the site ( that's mentioned in a thread here somewhere)

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the advice, will do more research and await the letter

Regards

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It is a spurious claim and they know it.

 

 

A court decision put paid to such claims having any merit in law

 

 

UKPCS are probably the dimmest of the large parking Co's so they will try anything.

 

What you need to do now is wait for a notice to keeper to arrive through the post.

 

 

This MUST be between 28 and 56 days after the event

 

 

outside of those times it isnt valid.

 

 

If and when you get that letter come back here and we will tell you how to respond.

 

 

The advantage of waiting is that by not responding it doesnt help them identify the driver

 

 

any liability is limited by the laws and procedures they are supposed to follow

 

 

this will cost them money for each step.

 

 

It also allows them to get it wrong,

 

 

which is quite common.

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Hi ,

As title states,

 

 

on your advice we ignored the ticket issued for leaving a free carpark and

 

 

have recieved their follow up letter,

 

 

sent to the reg keeper within the time range.

 

 

I hope I have attached it right,

 

 

I await your words of wisdom as to what procedure to follow now. TIA

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you'll need tp pdf the pix

 

 

plus pers details showing

 

 

un approved them for you

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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threads merged

 

 

please keep to one thread

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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now you appeal to the parking co on the grounds that there has been no breach of contract as the reason given isnt valid in law under VCS V Ibbotson.

They then have 35 days to provide you with either a cancellation letter or a rejection of your appeal and a POPLA code. When you get this code you appeal tp POPLA and it costs them money.

Let us know when you get your response from UKCPS and we will help you with the next part if necessary.

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