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  1. Hi this is myfirst post This is a verysimilar situation to another on this site from mechsman on 4/10/17 so I assume a lot ofthe advice there will apply to me. I have not received a Notice to Keeper and this notification letter(attached) is the first I have heard of it. Details in redas per other posts: For PNC's received through the post [ANPR camera capture] please answerthe following questions. 1 Date of theinfringement >Allegedly22 December 2018 2 Date on theNTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] > No NTK received; this is thenotification letter and dated 28 January 2019 3 Date received >29January 2019 4 Does the NTKmention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] >Yes 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? >None provided or mentioned, butI'm assuming they must have entry/exit pictures from ANPR? 6 Have youappealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] >No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up 7 Who is theparking company? >UKCPS 8. Where exactly[carpark name and town] Bristol Abbeywood For eitheroption, does it say which appeals body they operate under. > It says there is no chance toappeal as it is beyond the 21 day period. I never received the NTK they claimwas sent. It mentions the IPC under complaints section. There are twoofficial bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure, >please check HERE If you havereceived any other correspondence, please mention it here: None I am minded towrite and complain that I have not had the original NTK so: hadno chance to pay at a reduced amount. Donot know the time of entry so unsure if/how long the time period was exceeded Wasnot the driver (my wife was) They are sayingpayment is due 14 days of this notice, so 11 February which doesn't give memuch time to talk to them (no email address so only phone or letter). The previousexample with this company advice was do not respond and they will give up. Thisseems to have been the case and he had stopped getting letters 7 months lateralthough no further updates since to know whether this is still the case. I would appreciate advice on what to do please. Many thanks. Apologises for the font/spacing. I tried posting a couple of times and it got rejected so I copied a post in from Word rather than type all again and the formatting has gone astray. UKCPS 28Jan2019 redacted_Redacted.pdf
  2. So here we go again at Abbeywood retail park. For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture] please answer the following questions. 1 Date of the infringement 21/11/2018 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 28/11/2018 3 Date received 30/11/2018 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] No, but says ANPR - made under POFA 2012 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes, see attachments 6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] No 7 Who is the parking company? UKCPS 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Abbeywood Retail park (MacDonalds section), Bristol For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under? IAS What's the standard advice for these nowadays please? Thanks in advance ticket 1 redacted.pdf
  3. I can see a few things against UKCPS however I thought I'd start my own thread. Someone driving my car today receiving a "Parking Charge Notice" on the car for leaving the site, of £100 or £60 within 14 days. I've attached photos of the PCN and of the sign at Bristol Abbeywood Retail Park. I'm the keeper of the vehicle however I wasn't driving the car (I was at home!) so is there anything they can actually do?
  4. 1. The date of infringement? 20th March, 2018 at 20:04:43 2. Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? No 2.1. Have you received a Notice To Keeper? Not yet 2.2. What date is on it? Not recieved letter yet, just a ATTENTION slip 2.3. Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? Yes 3. Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Not one the webpage with all the information and photographs 4. If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process? Not appealed 5. Who is the parking company? UKCPS 6. Where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? Centertainment Sheffield Hi there, me and my girlfriend went to the cinema last night in Sheffield. As we got into Sheffield we noticed there were really bad traffic around the centertainment area. We managed to get into the car park for Cineworld and it was absolutly jam packed. There was an event going off somewhere nearby and people were using the centertainment car park (as its free) and leaving the area. The cinema was dead so the majority of cars there were infringing the rules by not staying within the area. We drove around for half an hour and was late for our movie trying to find a parking bay. We found a little area, safe section unused by the walking public and unmarked as all parking bays were taken up. We didnt obstruct anyone or cause any danger to anyone or cost anyone any money. I was outraged at the fact that everyone was using the parking bays and not even going to the cinema. They want £100 for some reason, £60 if I pay up within 2 weeks.
  5. Hi All I got an NTK through the door from UKCPS yesterday. No ticket on the windscreen, I am assuming it was an ANPR generated ticket. It appears to be UKCPS standard NTK for a stay beyond stipulated time limit. Details below: For PNC's received through the post [ANPR camera capture] please answer the following questions. 1 Date of the infringement Allegedly 25 September 17 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]29 September 17 3 Date received 02 Oct 17 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] No 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? None provided or mentioned, but I'm assuming they must have entry/exit pictures from ANPR? 6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal]Nope, not yet. Draft below that I was intending to send to an email address, but I can't seem to find one for these clowns? Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up 7 Who is the parking company? UKCPS 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Bristol Abbeywood BR005XX For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS is mentioned on the back of the letter. There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure, please check HERE If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here Nil Potential draft of a response that I was intending to send, but can't find an email address to send it to (ideas, or am I going to have to send it hard copy?): Your reference: ******** My reference: UKCPS PCNCR1.0 To whom it may concern. With regards correspondence received 02/10/17 against your reference ******** (VRN ******), although not correctly titled, I am treating your letter reference ******** as an attempted notice to keeper. Your letter is not in compliance with the Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012, and therefore there is no keeper liability in this case. Your letter is also factually incorrect in its assertions as to what the registered keeper should do. I also note that, as registered keeper, your speculative invoice invites me to take one of several actions. As the speculative invoice offers no proof and does not require the registered keeper to carry out an action, I respectfully decline your invitation to pay, or pass details of the driver to you and pass on the speculative invoice. It should be noted that the burden of proof for the identity of the driver rests with the claimant. It should be noted that no assumption can or should be made as to the identity of the driver at the time of the event referred to in your letter reference ********. Please quote my reference when responding. Regards ******
  6. Hi All I parked on Private Land Car Park 30/04/2016 when I went to the cinema with my son and his mate. I worked out that the film should finish and give us time to get back to the car park in time so as not to get charged for additional parking ie £60. However on getting back to the cars we both received(my sons mates car) parking tickets. Well we were furious as the 3 of us checked the tickets and the time it was issued and it said it was issued at 19.22 and time first observed at 19.12 (tickets were 3 hours £2.80)and expiry was 19.11. my sons mate got his ticket at exactly the same exact times as well. we were both parked next to each other. However I wasn't prepared to pay £60 or £100 or an additional 11 minutes not when I could have paid an additional 90 pence for an additional hour. The 3 of us also checked our phones as they stated it was 19.22 so the ticket wasn't issued at 19.22 as it states on the PCN. So I wrote to them politely explaining this (Er yes I didn't know about not telling them).and stating the fact that the government had said there should be some leeway regarding parking.But I'M NOT PAYING £60 FOR 11 MINUTES OR 1 MINUTE.I have kept all the information regarding this as I knew it would come back to haunt me, I have received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus regarding the charges but i'm STILL not prepared to pay the £160 but I am prepared to go to court over this, Any one with advice as to what to do now?
  7. Aplogies as an absolute newbie here, however I was asked to create a new thread. There is another recent thread (I can't post links, maybe someone else could as seems daft to recreate a whole heap of stuff). I am in the identical situation at the same location I have just received an identical letter from UKCPS, all details completely as the above mentioned thread (same paperwork). My wife was driving my car that day, obviously she didn't spot any signage etc. 28 minutes over a 4hr limit..... Disgusted that companies can request such 'fees', she is disabled (was parked in disabled bay, with badge on show) which has left me even more disgraced at these cowboys operate, with no extra time for disabled people.... Question is approach them & ask for 'understanding'? Dismiss? etc etc
  8. Hi this is my first post...so apologies in advance if I'm not doing it right! I've done the research after getting a notice from UKCPS. I wasn't the driver at the time so they are pursuing me as the registered keeper. What Id like to know is how the Protection of Freedom Act is being used by them to circumvent Contract Law... My question is if I wasn't there and didn't read their signage how can I bound by their contract?
  9. Advice please my son parked in the parking garage connected to the flat he rents - his permit had fallen on the floor of his car and he did not notice when he parked so came back to a PCN from UKCPS for £100 discounted to £60 if paid within 14 days. He decided to appeal but has had this rejected and been told to pay within 14 days of the letter which is dated 16th August so has now passed. He is not the registered keeper of the car - my husband is - my son is the main driver. also my son no longer lives at the address as he has moved back home. Do we need to wait for another letter or can this just be ignored ? not really sure what to do thanks Jo
  10. i have received a parking fine for £60 or in 2 weeks if not paid £100 I was parked apparently on private land I was not aware of this at the time, it was from 1st aug. 11.40 till 1st aug 14.11, I was with my mum who is 84yrs old and disabled at which we displayed the blue badge, should I pay this by law, as i did look for a machine to pay so thought it was free, can you please advise?
  11. Hi I've just received through a county court claim form from ukcps. I currently pay and have done for a while £85 per month to park in a private Carpark for work. It was owned by the shopping centre but was then taken over and we were issued permits that we had to display. On the day I got the fine my permit had blown onto the foot well so I sent a letter to ukcps and stated this. They have carried on with court proceedings even though I have my receipts for paying every month and now I have no idea how to appeal this online but refuse to pay the £175 they are now asking when they receive £85 a month off me already! Hoping someone has a template I could use to appeal this asap as I've been on holiday so I'm down a few days into my 14 days to appeal already grrrr Thankyou
  12. Hi guys - really need some advice! I received a PCN for allegedly parking without a valid permit around three months ago, I foolishly disregarded this and thought nothing more of the matter. Imagine my surprise when I received the below correspondence - This is the first letter I have received with regards to this matter and was wondering how best to proceed?
  13. Good evening. I am a newbie so be gentle with me please. Parked in a near empty pub car park in September with my 86 year old father in law to take him to the bank and for some lunch. The signs were very officious and said permission of the landlord of the public house. The pub is empty. We were gone maybe 40 mins on return found a parking ticket on the window and a large gentleman in a very small van with "parking control" on the side watching and grinning. I asked him why I had been given a ticket he said because I wasn't showing a valid permit. What and where do I get one of those? You cant it's parking for the Co-op (nextdoor). The other cars aren't displaying permits. Yes they are! Where? Here on the dash (pointing). Two out of seven had " permits" which were black "P"'s printed on a piece of paper - one had been written in black biro on an old envelope. Not happy! Appealed in a couple of days in writing to UKCPS heard nothing till the 20th of December when I was sent a final demand letter for £100 to be paid within fourteen days or court action will be taken. I called and spoke to a very aggressive rude lady who told me they had sent a letter turning down my appeal and I had not responded. I never received a letter. She said it was my fault I had not received it and that I should "pay up or else"! I finished the call. I then sent a letter to the only Director of UKCPS a Mr Deegan to his home address stating the way I had been treated and asked him to sort this mess out. I sent it by post to be signed for and traceable. The post office could not get a signature and left a card. Where now please?
  14. Had a lovely holiday in Spain for my 40th! Booked the holiday through a travel agent including airport parking. Been home a month,and received a parking fine from UKCPS for £100. My car had been parked for the week on Skypark Liverpool and the reason for issue was WITHOUT A VALID PERMIT OR AUTHORITY. Apparently a notice was affixed to the windscreen of my vehicle, nothing on the car windscreen or was told about this by our meet and greet rep for Skypark. I have contacted Skypark Liverpool and their head office in Blackpool. No response from Liverpool but had a response from Head Office who can't find any of my details including car reg. I am now awaiting the travel agent to email the booking ref over. In the meantime I would need to appeal the charge to UKCPS. I want an explaination as to how I have received a parking charge when I have paid for a weeks parking? ! This was our first time abroad with my family. Has anyone else suffered at the hands of these charlatans?
  15. hi new to this. I sold my car a year ago, and I have just received a parking charge from last month but I don't own the vehicle anymore any advice would be welcome. the person I sold the vehicle too said he would change the name over himself. stupidly I agreed. and now I received a fine for over staying my parking time. the thing is the vehicle was declared off the road before I sold it. what should I do
  16. Have read the other threads on site and else where about this car park. I read the parking notices like others and to be fair if it says for site users I missed that. The Biggest part says 1 hr only. Came back in less than 20 min and a ticket saying I'd been observed leaving the site, not sure how but I'm guessing there using CCTV as there were about 5 or 6 cars ticketed. Pay £100 fine but only £60 for paying quick. Well not much chance of that. There were only 10 cars in around a 100 space car park. Don't see that I have caused any inconvenience or affected trade for Staples and Maplin's which are the only shops on site; so I intend to just ignore it and not even appeal. Anybody think I'm misguided????? Comments appreciated.
  17. Hello you wonderful wonderful people Let me cut straight to the chase I parked in a private land which i have done a number of times while going to the bank in town. I did not see any visible signs with terms and condition only a worn out red paint on the wall with the words private parking. I comeback half an hour later and lo and behold i have parking notice slapped on the windscreen of my car. As advised by friends and people on forums I chose to ignore it. Got a few letters and chose to ignore them as well. Then as usual with these private companies i got my case passed onto a 'debt recovery team' Miah solicitors in this case. The letter is pretty much as a copy and paste of all the other letters from miah solicitors people have posted on the forums. £100 owed to UKCPS, £25 admin, and £150 for legal costs to these culprits. Same idle threat stating 'this letter before action is being sent to you in accordance with the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct contained in the Civil Procedure Rules. In particular, we refer you to paragraph 4 of the said pratice direction concerning Court's powers to impose sanctions for failing to comply with its provisions. Take note, that if we do not recieve any payment or contact you from within 14 days of the date of this letter, we will take our clients instructions regarding how they wish to proceed which may include considering issuing 'legal procedings' Here is my response letter gathered from information off the forums and watching a youtube channel called DerpJD To whom it may concern I am writing to you in response to the letter received regarding an alleged private parking ticket by your affiliate UKCPS. May I first of make you aware that I am well educated in the matter of private land tickets and the legalities. Before your idle threats can even be taken seriously you will need to provide me with the following; 1) Proof that Mr XXXXX XXXXXX was the driver at the alleged time. 2) Receipts of the legal charges that have been added by you of £150 with VAT. 3) A bill. The following are not bills, a parking charge notification, a statement, a charge certificate, not a notice, not an invoice. 3) Proof of a contractual agreement between me and your client. Under all commercial and civil laws, in order for man/women to take a complaint to a court or to a magistrate to make a claim for a court hearing tribunal/trial then there must be a documented contract with full disclosure by both parties with terms and conditions, signed with wetted ink (not a PDF signature) with human names and the date of signature. As you are well aware of no contract existed. 4) As advised by a solicitor in a free consultation, your letter has no reverse liability so it is better off throwing in the bin. For your letter to have reverse liability you will need a wetted signature with a human name printed. You know this will leave you opened to be counter sued so you have opted not to do so. S o your letters will remain meaningless and empty as long as you continue this practice. 5) If you have gotten that far then I will also need evidence of damage/loss of property during the parking of this vehicle at the alleged duration by the LAND OWNER to justify the fraudulent parking ticket. I will also like to state this is not an appeal this is a rebuttal. Any private parking companies that try to apply levy onto people in this exemplary matter is null-in-void. The only way you can get any squeaky leverage to go to a court or to get legal action in any way is to ascertain/obtain an appeal in response to the INVOICE. This invoice by UKCPS will never be paid no matter how much you escalate the price until all these lawful conditions are met. Have a nice day Regards (i put my own copy and paste signature from google images just like they do) Il be waiting for your wisdom Slick
  18. Hello I'm hoping someone will be able to help regarding 2 parking tickets I have received on residential land and whether or not I should pay them. I was parked on double yellow lines in a residential complex visiting a friend as many other cars were parked in the same way as the visitor car park was full so I thought that this would be acceptable. I have done this many times before and had no issue and then received 2 tickets on separate occasions very close to one another. Foolishly perhaps I ignored the letters from them on advice of other people but have now read that appealing may be better? The reason on the ticket is 'Without a valid permit or authority' am not sure if I would have a case at all but obviously do not want to pay £250 in fines if I can avoid it. Please see all the letters and a copy of the ticket attached. Even though it was parked in the same place the 2nd ticket reason is 'Out of a marked bay'. If it matters the time on the ticket is different to the time on their letter. Please someone help me I've read so many threads and I'm still none the wiser! Thanks in advance
  19. Hi, I am a blue badge holder and our car was parked in a private retail car park (free for all customers). A PCN was posted on the windscreen as being parked in a disabled bay without displaying the badge. AS this topic seems to be a bit of a minefield and having got no further in my decision of how to deal with this despite reading up on the subject for days, I was hoping that someone here would be able to help. As I understand it I need to wait for the NtK before proceeding but also I have read that I should appeal within the first 14 days. I do intend to appeal so would appreciate some confirmation of when and how to do that. Thanks in advance
  20. Hi all, Firstly, apologies for starting a new thread. I have read all the sticky threads and as much as I can on other websites/forums, but I'm still not clear on the best course of action. Any advice would be massively appreciated. I rent a flat, which has an allocated parking space. Unfortunately, I was not provided with a parking permit badge by the letting agent or landlord when I moved in. There are UKCPS signs in the car park, but as I was a tenant and had an allocated parking space, did not really pay them any attention. UKCPS have since issued three charges (charges on the windscreen and NTKs all received). These were issued in August and September 2015. I wrote in response explaining that I was a tenant (and providing a copy of a utility bill and lease agreement), but there response was simply to state that any time for appeals had elapsed and the charges stood. I did not bother with an IAS appeal, based on the comments on forums such as this. I am now at the stage where I am receiving letters from Miah Solicitors stating that unless payment is made "...we will take our Client's instructions regarding how they wish to proceed which may include considering issuing legal proceedings." The main questions I have are: 1) How likely is it that this will proceed to court? 2) What action should I take now? I have asked the Property Management Company to clarify their arrangements with UKCPS and asked them to request the charges be cancelled, but they have not been especially helpful so far. I have read my tenancy agreement and unfortunately it does not specifically refer to the parking space (but it is numbered, i.e. specifically allocated to the flat. Sorry for the long post and many thanks for any help!
  21. I received a windscreen invoice from UKCPS after being parked illegal in a private car park. The background to the case was that my elderly mother who is diabetic was having a hypoglycaemic attack. It was medical emergency. My mother is a Blue Badge holder but there was not time to display the badge. I completely ignored UKCPS demands for payment after reading advice on forums. I have now received the attached letter from Miah Solicitors. They have sent me Practice Direct on Pre-Action Conduct. What would action would you all advise me to take? Should I now just pay it or continue to ignore it. Are they likely to take to court and would they like win they did so. I'm unable to provide evidence to support my case. Many thanks.
  22. Hi All, I would appreciate any advice on this. I am always very meticulous about where I park my car due to being stung in the past by parking wardens. On this occasion, I parked my car lunch time today by the side on the road on a private land in a shopping centre to queue up to withdraw money from an ATM machine opposite. Surprise surprise, I stepped into my car a few minutes later to discover Parking Charge Notice on my windscreen. Time of issue was 12.42, while time first observed was 12.37. Reason for issue states observed parking. Honestly, I don't know what that means. I live local and have been parking there for years, only when I want to withdraw money from the ATM, and have never noticed any signs saying DO NOT PARK or what the implication would be if I do so. The first thing I did was to walk round the area to see if there are now signs warning motorists not to park there, or what the penalty would be. The charge is £100. £60 if paid within 14 days. However, I have 21 days to appeal the penalty. Could someone please offer me any advice on what to do (apart from paying the money obviously), and what chances do I have for a successful appeal? Thank you Adojay
  23. I received a letter from "The Miah Solicitors" debt recovery team about their client UKCPS. The details are: I parked out of a marked bay in a when visiting a friend who lives in a zone controlled by UKCPS, they put a ticket which I picked up on the windscreen. I parked in early 2015. The charge is £100, £25 UKCPS administration fee, and £150 legal costs. They also state in the letter "The supreme court ruled on 4th November 2015 that charges for parking on private land are enforceable, you should therefore arrange to make payment..." I have the following to say in my defence, which although waffley might contain something useful. I am unemployed. I was visiting a friend. There was no-where else to park, he directed me where to leave my car, which was on the "double yellow" lines, and agreed to park there as he said everyone ignores their tickets. I was not blocking anyone from moving through the car park, getting in our out of their space, or taking up a residents space so it was actually the least obstructive place to park. Outside the residents compound the nearest parking was over a mile away, so where do they expect visitors to go? My friend didn't have any visitor tickets, and I'm not sure if they provide them. I have ignored all letters up to this point and am considering talking to a solicitor about it. I have a few days to make contact before they send more threatening letters about me visiting a friend who is surrounded by their enforcers. Do you have any advice?
  24. Hi. I wonder if anyone can help me. In June 2013 I received a parking charge notice at Chatham Maritime car park. It stated that I had been observed 'leaving the site', indeed I did leave to deliver a letter but then returned to the shopping centre where I purchased a few items. I wasn't aware that leaving the site was not allowed ( I used to regularly park in this car park and go to University) and did not notice the parking ticket until I got home. At the time I was all set to appeal and had written an email to send them but having browsed the internet I found the advice being given at the time was to ignore it and not acknowledge receipt of the ticket in any way. I subsequently received a few letters but for the last 18 months or so had heard nothing more so I assumed it was over. However last week I received a letter from Miah Solicitors stating that they had been instructed to pursue the outstanding amount ( now £275 - the original £100 charge, £25 admin fees and a further £150 legal costs). I was wondering if there is any time limitation on how long after the original fine they can continue to pursue it? I am now unable to find the original ticket ( I may have disposed of it, thinking that it was all over, or the receipts for the shopping) so am unsure if I would be able to appeal now or should I continue to ignore? I am now very nervous about the situation but am unwilling to pay £275 when it should have been free parking. Thank you in advance
  25. Hi In mid August we got a parking ticket "observed leaving site" at a UKCPS car park. We took the advice here and waited for the NtK. So have not yet contacted them The NtK has now arived (within the time constraints) and now I am going to challenge the charge based on the following. I've used various templates to gather what I think is most relevant 1 the attendant did not attempt to mitigate the loss. 2 A previous court case (ie VCS vs Ibbotson) have ruled that leaving the site is not a breach of contract. 3 There can be no loss as the car park was half empty both on entering and leaving 4 Signage is sparse and is not clear and so no contract was entered 5 The boundaries of the car park are not clearly defined - a public footpath runs through at one end 6 No proof that the driver has actually left the site Is there anything else I could mention. I wanted to keep it brief at this stage; or should I ommit anything, From the UKCPS site it seems I have to send this appeal by post. Does anyone know if I can do this online or by email and provide the details Any assistance would be much appreciated
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