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Hi, bit of advice please?

I was picked up by my partner at EMA. We weren't parked on the road, we stopped on a piece of waste ground between a car park and the road. I noticed signs, but to read them you would need to stop anyway.

I have since received the attached Charge Notice, which I haven't replied to yet, my questions are:

Should I appeal?

If so, on what grounds?

Does anybody have a template that has been used before?

Thank you in advance :-)

 

2023-05-25 VCS PCN incident 15-5-23.pdf

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Never appeal, what you currently have is a notice to keeper and they need to have met certain criteria for that to be valid.

 

This may well be airport land in which case the PPC has probably no power to issue charges.

 

Fill in the forum sticky information so we know what we're dealing with.

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please complete this

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to VCS SpyCar PCN - No Stopping -East Midlands Airport, Castle Donnington, DE74 2SA

next time please put everything in one mass PDF and redact things properly ...PDF's sorted merged and redacted.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 Date of the infringement 15/05/2023

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 24/05/2023
 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s

 

3 Date received 27/05/2023
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Can't see it anywhere
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No, I've not replied yet
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? Vehicle Control Services Limited

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] East Midlands Airport, on a entryway from a service road and a carpark
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

IPC

 

 

2023-05-25 VCS PCN incident 15-5-23.pdf

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Do you know what road you were on? Viscount road? the A453 and where did you stop. I cannot believe that one postcode covers the whole of the airp

Wouldn't worry too much No Stopping signs mean that a contract cannot be formed between the rogues and motorists. Their signs look  as if they are too small to read unless you do  stop!

 

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Never appeal.  VCS are one of the most crooked PPCs and never, ever, ever accept appeals.  Ever.

I was at EMA in April and tried to photograph as many signs as possible, in as many areas of the airport as possible, so this thread may be of some use  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/457218-vcs-east-midlands-airport-signs-thread/#comment-5207723

 

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Not PofA compliant either is it?

 

It states that only 'the driver' is now liable for their fictitious invoice?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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no it states the driver, then later the rk. thats ok.

lots of threads here about this airport.

go read them flibby.

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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What to do depends on what sort of person you are.

The best thing you can do is read a load of VCS threads so you see how they operate.  They are total vampires.

You can pay £60 and the matter will go away.

Or you can refuse to pay.  Be aware than VCS are the most litigious of the private parking companies and use court claims as a way of intimidating motorists into paying, so don't think a fight will be over quickly, it won't.

However, CAG has an around 85% record of beating these charlatans in court (yes, i did calculate it once!) and we would be around to help you all the way.  Plus they don't take everyone who refuses to pay to court, but they are extremely litigious. 

Your call.

 

 

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The PCN is not compliant because it's on an airport and subject to Bye Laws.

Thanks for posting Beverley Road. That is in post code DE74 2HN- their PCN says you were in DE74 2SA. You cannot be in two places at the same time. 

Under PoFA Schedule4 S9[2][a] the PCN must specify the vehicle and the relevant land on which the car was parked. They failed to do that. Case over.

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No mention of POFA on the NTK, plus if it's airport land and subject to bye-laws POFA isn't applicable anyway.  So they can't rely on it to pursue the keeper either way.

They can only chase the driver for this charge, and they have no legal grounds or means to find out who this was.  

You'll probably get numerous letters from VCS, then a couple from a debt collector, then a couple from a solicitor.  Unless something arrives titled "letter before claim" or very similar, just ignore it (but keep copies of all letters).   If you get the LBC letter come back here for further advice.

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To be honest you could just as easily write out a short two-line note basically saying that East Midlands Airport is not considered "relevant land" as defined in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such you are not liable as the registered keeper of the vehicle, and that they will need to take the matter up with the driver involved, yours sincerely, get stuffed.  

 

If they're stupid enough to try taking you to court knowing they can only pursue the driver, and they don't know who that was, they're idiots, frankly.

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Hi, despite sending a 'snotty letter' as advised, I have recently received this letter from a recovery company called 'ELMS Legal.

A quick Google search tells me what these people are like, but what would you advise is my next step?

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You didn't let us see your snotty letter? Disappointing, it won't get entered into our "best snotty letter of the year" award now!😁

As Bazooka Boo says, let's see what they've sent. (Bet it isn't as good as your snotty letter).

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reg number showing post hidden.

nowhere here do we ever say ring anyone !!

as for the letter this is elms stating a PAPLOChas been previously sent and you have yet to reply.

send a new snotty letter off too elms ASAP. just to cover yourself but post it up here FIRST please

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This is what I intend to send this time:

Your Ref:

XXXXXXXXXXXX

Regarding the above matter.

This is the second letter sent telling you to stop wasting your time sending letters to me.

East Midlands Airport is not considered "relevant land" as defined in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such you are not liable as the registered keeper of the vehicle, and that they will need to take the matter up with the driver involved.

 

Yours

 

Thoughts?

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I've edited your post above.  Of course you put the reference in when writing to the fleecers, but don't identify yourself here!

Just to check - was the last snotty letter sent to VCS or did they have some representative?

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2 hours ago, Flibdob said:

and as such you are not liable as the registered keeper of the vehicle,

Shouldn't this be...

as such I am not liable as the registered keeper of the vehicle,??

We could do with some help from you.

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