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    • I would only rely on your solicitor in this regard. The other two should not have a view.   And, you are responsible for how the court perceive you. They only have your words and deeds to go on. Expecting them to magically see things your way is not a great tactic.
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    • Thank you for posting up the required details and well done for apparently not revealing the identity of the driver. I am assuming you are the keeper? The depth of ignorance of the parking companies is absolutely amazing. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 is the law relating to private parking and allows those rogues to be able to transfer the charge from the driver [whose name they do not know] to the keeper after 28 days . This is dependent on them complying with the Act. So many of the don't and Alliance is no different. It would help if we could see what you appeal was and to post the back of the PCN as it is lacking so much of the wording necessary to make it compliant so that in your case only the driver is liable to pay the charge. And of course just entering the ANPR arrival times means that they have failed to specify the parking time which is a requirement..  Because the car park was so busy you had to drive around for quite a while before finally finding a place to park which is when the parking period may  actually begin. The poor dears at Alliance have not grasped that particular part of the legislation as yet. To be fair the Act has only been in place for 12 years so one must make allowances for their stupidity . We shouldn't really mock them- but it is fun. You weren't to know but the chances of winning an appeal against Alliance and the IPC is around 5%-and that is high for them. If they allow you to cancel they lose the chance of making money and they would have had a field day when you were there with so many people being caught overstaying because of the chaos in trying to find a parking space then trying to pay.  Your snotty letter could go something like this- Dear Cretins, Yes I mean you Alliance. After 12 years one would have thought that even you could produce a compliant PCN. Did you really think I would pay you a penny extra considering the time I wasted trying  to pay with  long queues at the parking machine, then trying to get a signal to call Just Park. On top of that you then had the cheek to ask for an additional £70 for what dubious unspecified pleasure? You must have made a killing that day charging all those motorists for overstaying because the queues to pay were do long and even walking to pay from the over flow parking fields takes time. And yes I did take photos of the non existent signs in the fields so please don't give me the usual rubbish about your signs being clearly visible. Oh yes that £70. Please tell me and the Court whether that charge included VAT and if it did, why am I being charged to pay your vat? I am sure the Judge would look carefully at that as well as the Inland Revenue. The truth is you had no reasonable cause to ask the DVLA for my data given the chaos at your car park and I believe that you therefore breached my GDPR...................... I expect others will give their views as well.          
    • opps this is going to get messy then if they don't refund. you should never keep util accounts in credit.
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  • 2 weeks later...

I have now received

 

REDUCED PAYMENT OFFER

 

They have referred my case to their client and have proposed issuing County Court Proceedings against me.

 

If the case reaches court and judgement is obtained costs may increase the debt as shown.

 

They will accept a reduced payment if £140.

 

They have also offered to view a selection of CCJ's that they have obtained against people before?

 

 

Should I still not worry

 

:-x

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ofc ourse they've had CCJ wins

 

mostly stoogies and relatives from whats been written about in the press

 

to give them some kind of authority

 

 

 

dont fall for it

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Its wierd isn't it how they are supposed to be ' legit', yet they are still bartering to get at least some money out of you!!!! This is ludicrous. I've never known a company who says you owe them money for 'breaking their law' to have to offer evidence of the proceedings they have/nt carried out to try to coax people to hand over their money . This gets more like Dick Turpin every day. I would think they turn up in court in a cape and mask shouting 'stand and deliver' !!! Fools.

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Very reassured to read this thread. I looked up the UKPC thing when I got a notice from them a while ago and all the advice there was to ignore. I've now had two letters from debt recovery agents and I was getting a bit worried that maybe I shouldn't have ignored them. I can see now that they can't do much so will continue to ignore!! Thank you!

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Hi all -

very interested in reading all this. Today I received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus LTD saying notice of intended litigation and that I should pay £150 within 7 days. I am a blue badge holder and parked in a disabled space forgetting to put my blue badge on show (v forgetful). Do I Ignore these letters? or should I send them an appeal?

Thanks

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appeals are useless

 

ignore them

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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And there is the judgement in VCS -V- Ibbotson :-)

 

Before District Judge Mcllwaine s itting at Sc unthorpe County Court, Sc unthorpe Court Centre, Laneham Street, Sc unthorpe, North Lincolnshire, DN15 6JY.

 

Upon hearing the authorised officer of the C laimant company and the Defendant in person

And upon the Claimant having issued proceedings in their own name

 

And upon it being conceded that contrary to the British Parking Association Code of Practice contrary to same, the Claimant has no contractual authority to issue enforcement proceedings before the County Court either in the Claimants name as in this matter or the name of the land owner

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

1) The claim is struck out.

2) The order of District Judge Stephenson dated 3rd March 2012 is rescinded and the Claimant shall pay to the Defendant the s um of £42.50 w ithin 21 days of today.

 

3) The managing director for the Claimant named as Mr Simon Renshaw Smith is ordered to file at Court by 4.00pm on 29th June 2012, a statement containing an explanation as to the manifest discrepancy namely the bringing of an action in contract and the tort of trespass in the companies name with no lawful contractual assignment of authority to do so.

 

4) A copy of this order shall be served on the British Parking Association for information.

Dated 16 May 2012

 

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Hi all -

very interested in reading all this. Today I received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus LTD saying notice of intended litigation and that I should pay £150 within 7 days. I am a blue badge holder and parked in a disabled space forgetting to put my blue badge on show (v forgetful). Do I Ignore these letters? or should I send them an appeal?

Thanks

 

 

Snap!! I received the very same letter as you today too. Same Blah Blah Blah give us your money or else fodder! I am filing that with the rest of the junk mail I receive. I won't be sending these highway robbers one penny of my hard earned cash. They can threaten this & that, but it will not phase me into thinking they have any entitlement to my money. Nope, they're not getting nowt from me !

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Snap!! I received the very same letter as you today too. Same Blah Blah Blah give us your money or else fodder! I am filing that with the rest of the junk mail I receive. I won't be sending these highway robbers one penny of my hard earned cash. They can threaten this & that, but it will not phase me into thinking they have any entitlement to my money. Nope, they're not getting nowt from me !

 

Haha think I'm going to do the same! It's ridiculously -money grabbing b**tards is all I can say!

Keep me updated :)

Glad it's not just me haha

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  • 4 months later...

Just thought I'd update this thread as I know its all too easy to post when you're receiving letters but not when you're not.

 

The last letter we received was this one: s13.postimg.org/6ahs6m5x3/zenith.jpg (copy & paste into address bar as I can't post links yet :wave:) - that was dated 10/10/2012!

 

Not that I ever doubted them but the regulars on this forum were right, ignore & they will go away! Its been almost a year since we got the ticket & nearly 6 months since the last letter so I think its safe to say they've moved on :-D

 

From my experience, my advice would be to ignore all letters, don't appeal (its just an easy & cost-free way for them to get your details) & use this forum :thumb:

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set your default scan page size to A4 less than 300DPI [150 will do]

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets - as a picture[jpg] file

don't forget you can use a mobile phone or a digital camera too!!

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BUT......

ENSURE: remove all pers info inc. barcodes etc using paint program

but leave all monetary figures and dates.

*********************************************************

{DO NOT USE A BIRO OR PEN OR USE SEE THRU TAPE OR LABELS]

try www.pdfescape.com TO BLANK STUFF,

*************************************************************

or

DO IT IN MSPAINT.EXE or any photo editing program

goto one of the many free online pdf converter websites ...

http://freejpgtopdf.com/

if you have multiple scans/pics

put them in a word doc FIRST and convert that to PDF

or use www.pdfmerge.com

convert existing PC files to PDF [office has an installable print to PDF option]

..

 

it would be better to upload a multipage pdf if

you have many images too rather than many single pdfs

.

or if you have PDF as an installed printer drive use that

or use word and save as pdf

try and logically name your file so people know what it is.

though dont use full bank names or CAG in the title

i'e Default notice dd-mm-yyyy TSB

.

open a new msg box here

hit go advanced below the msg box

hit manage attachments below that box

hit the add files button on the top right

hit select files, navigate to your file on your pc

hit upload files

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dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I'm following this with interest also,

 

I had a parking ticket from ASDA car park (Town and City Parking / Smart Parking Ltd). They had added time limits on parking which I completely missed (having used the same supermarket for 4 years!).

 

This was December 2012, I've now had a first letter from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, asking for £120.

 

 

I will be ignoring these also!

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Some months ago I parked in a local car park. When I returned to my car it had moved, two spaces to the side and one forward. When I went to unlock the car it had was already open. I got a pcn for not parking properly within the space. A letter from Dent Recovery Plus informs me that the Protection of Freedoms Act entitles them to recover money from me. I'd rather like to know what they mean by freedom.

The upshot of all this is that a) I'm not paying. They are quite free to take me to court. b) It's a shame, but I won't be using that car park again.

Oh joy!

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