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Today I received a letter from MET Parking Services, saying I was in breach of their T's & C's by leaving the site of Southgate Park , Stansted..

 

Driver parked car, entered Starbucks, bought something in Starbucks and then went next door to McDonalds. MET have pictures of driver entering Starbucks Coffee Shop (the site) and leaving a few minutes later to go next door to McDonalds

 

Having reviewed previous posts on this location. I think I can ignore the notice and the subsequent notices and threats, as I didn't receive the letter within 14 days of the event.

 

Redacted copy of the letter from MET is attached.

 

What should I do? Ignore or pay the fine?

 

280322 - Parking Charge Notice Redacted.pdf

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Where does it say it's a fine please?

 

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That's better ...very important differences

 

Plenty of threads here on this place .you can't get a speculative invoice for reverse trespass..think about it ..

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I thought that was the case. Thank you for the confirmation.

 

So should I ignore it, or appeal the charge notice?

I've read on other threads that it's best to ignore it, as to appeal I have to give them the drivers name, and that's not a good idea. 

 

I know if I ignore it, I'll get lots of letters demanding I pay and it could end up in court, but all the previous threads say that if it does go to court it will be dismissed. I don't mind getting the letter, etc. but not being a legal expert I want to have some confidence that ignoring it won't get me in trouble.

 

Also, I read on other threads that if the notice is not delivered in 14 days, it is not enforceable anyway. This was delivered 20 days after the event. So another reason to ignore it.

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Its not an anpr capture, not 14days...so you should have gotten a windscreen ticket.

 

read and fillout our have you a parking ticket sticky on the homepage of this ppc forum .

 

all will become clearer.

 

Dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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fill this out and read it too!

 

 

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and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture] 

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

Please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 13 March 2022

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 28 March 2022
 

3 Date received 2 April 2022
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] No
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes, photos of driver walking into Starbucks Coffee Shop and later walking to McDonalds 4-5meters from Starbucks entrance. Starbucks is 'the site' that MET Parking Services is saying the driver walked out of and therefore is in breach of MET T&C's
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up No
 

7 Who is the parking company? MET Parking Services

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Southgate Park, Stansted, CM24 1PY
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

Independent Appeals Service (POPLA)

 

PCN Letter already attached to this thread (see 1st post in this thread)
 

 

 

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go pull starbucks chain

but do not appeal to MET.

 

your NTK has been issued too soon, for a (vanishing) windscreen ticket that should have arrived 29 - 56 days.

 

you might also find worth in complaining to the ICO as their CCTV cameras are being used to spy on peoples activities not for parking matters.

 

dx

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You've confused me.

'your NTK has been issued too soon, for a (vanishing) windscreen ticket that should have arrived 29 - 56 days.'

There was no windscreen ticket.

NTK was issued by MET on 28 March, 15 days after incident.

NTK was received in post on 2 April, 20 days after incident.

How was 'NTK issued too soon'? Was it not received by 'Keeper'  too late? i.e. more than 14 days after the incident.

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The most common way the fleecers go after motorists is with ANPR capture.  There is a photo of the car going into the car park and coming out.  The keeper is supposed to receive their invoice within 14 days.

 

But your case is different if they have photos of you personally entering Starbucks and then going to McDonalds.  There must be some creep spying and taking photos.  In these cases they are supposed to leave a ticket on the windscreen and then send their invoice 29-56 days after the incident.  They have epically failed.

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They do have photos or car entering and leaving, but also photos of driver walking into Starbucks and then going to McD's.

So I assume this is ANPR capture, but because NTK was received 20 days after incident, there is no reason to identify driver and therefore no reason to pay. Is this correct?

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Yes.

 

They've messed up whichever way the photos were taken.

 

ANPR: 20 days is longer than 14 days.

 

Parking attendant: 20 days is shorter than 29-56 days.

 

As long as you don't communicate with them and out yourself as the driver, they're stuffed.

 

I love the way their bilge only refers to an "apparent breach".  Well, it wasn't a real breach then so that's OK!  Plus it doesn't even mention Starbucks!

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how can an ANPR (automatic NUMBER PLATE recognition) camera capture and follow HUMANS - have you a number plate on your forehead?

 

its CCTV capture so 29-56 days.

 

go read that thread i posted..

and re read the information posts in that sticky you completed again.

 

its a vanishing (not issued) windscreen ticket.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This looks like an entrapment site. There are two car parks together.  One of them is for use by MacDonalds, the other isn't. On one of their notices they say that they have both ANPR and CCTV in operation but they don't say why they need them both.

 

You can see an article about it here-

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/nov/10/parking-fine-starbucks-mcdonalds-stansted-southgate-park

 

Most of the PCNs I have seen are outside the 14 day period but before the 28+ day plus period so not claiming under PoFA. I would have thought that they would not have applied for planning permission.

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Thanks you all for the advice.

 

I'll ignore, not appeal and wait for the letters and threats to arrive, and then ignore them. Unless it's a court summons and then I put the case that they didn't follow the rules.

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do not ignore a letter of claim.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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