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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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We never achieve a victory--we only inflict scratches on them in minor skirmishes which are immediately healed.

 

I for one, just once in my life, would love to see the people of this country boycott one of the big banks in a show of force just to remind them who really has the power and just how vulnerable they actually are. Money and cash flow through accounts is their blood stream, without it they literally would stop functioning and as there is no honour among thieves this paralysed institution would be shunned by the rest very quickly leaving it even more vulnerable.

 

Think Northern Rock and all that happened was us donuts bailing it out.

 

The only time I've ever really witnessed any kind of collaborative effort was during the petrol price stand off a few years back. That amounted to a few quid extra for us all per week depending on mileage

 

We were merely patted on the head and placated whilst ''they'' carried on their conniving--look at the price of petrol now.

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It`s getting more like a Communist country by the minute oh how I wish i was an illegal immigrant the world would be my oyster lol

 

There certainly is a visible feeling of a shift in power, the government is becoming more authoritarian, the regulators less and less effective, and the banks seem to be gaining more power and influence.

 

I would call it a new world order, but that is entering the realms of conspiracy theorists, but certainly things are changing for the worse.

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It`s such a shame that we British are rolling over and taking the changes lying down a poster said we are spineless yes you could say we are, when petrol was half the price it is now the country was brought to a stand still rebelling now we accept it yet someone take a towel off our sun bed in Spain and it`s world war 3

 

We were once proud to be British now one is simply embarassed, then there is probably more big brother cameras watching our every move than there is rats (as in rodents lol)

 

Mike770 no it`s not an immigration problem I have it`s a non compliance of data which I have been requesting since November which the governing body who had it have admitted to an adjudicator that they have "Lost" it the data was crucial proof in a human rights/discrimination case

 

"Personal data must be secure against abuse, loss or destruction and as such it is a criminal offence to erase and destroy the data" which is what as happened

 

I managed to get in touch with Liberty tonight after trying for 2 week on the phone they have told me to contact Community Legal Services or Chambers & Partners Public Law Solicitors to see if I can get legal aid I don`t hold much out there if a criminal tried 30 Solicitors and couldn`t get help I`ve little or no chance

 

N1 as been ignored to produce the data well it as come Wednesday and I am unsure as to what my next move is any comments/advice welcomed

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There certainly is a visible feeling of a shift in power, the government is becoming more authoritarian, the regulators less and less effective, and the banks seem to be gaining more power and influence.

 

I would call it a new world order, but that is entering the realms of conspiracy theorists, but certainly things are changing for the worse.

It's not outlandish anymore to see it as the development of a new world order. It has clearly been taking place and it's objectives achieved with ever quickening effectiveness since the seventies.

 

There is actual, documented proof of this intent. For example in the 70's an organisation of CEO's called the Business Roundtable openly declared itself 'committed to the aggressive pursuit of political power for the corporation' [real quote, not conspiracy theory spin]. They aimed to do this through direct influence of politicians, the academic world and the media. They started off spending 900 million dollars a year in the seventies [which was a huge amount then] and have continued to do so with an ever growing war chest.

 

And that's not the only businessman's club doing it. Their power and influence makes the biggest trade union at the height of its power look no more effective than a kid being able to win a conkers match in the school yard.

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It's not outlandish anymore to see it as the development of a new world order. It has clearly been taking place and it's objectives achieved with ever quickening effectiveness since the seventies.

 

There is actual, documented proof of this intent. For example in the 70's an organisation of CEO's called the Business Roundtable openly declared itself 'committed to the aggressive pursuit of political power for the corporation' [real quote, not conspiracy theory spin]. They aimed to do this through direct influence of politicians, the academic world and the media. They started off spending 900 million dollars a year in the seventies [which was a huge amount then] and have continued to do so with an ever growing war chest.

 

And that's not the only businessman's club doing it. Their power and influence makes the biggest trade union at the height of its power look no more effective than a kid being able to win a conkers match in the school yard.

 

Try looking at Common Purpose this seems to be the elitists new club of power and influence

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This may be a better topic for another thread.

 

However I will make the point that the world seems to certainly becoming a lot less democratic, after all have we ever voted for anything other than being part of a European Trading body - but still the march of legal, monetary and political integration continues with Brussels?

 

Edward Heath (a conservative prime minister) commissioned a consultation report into the effects of becoming part of a trade agreement with Europe, it warned that there would be a danger of a dissolution of borders and sovereignty in time.

 

Think of all those who fought in World War 2 for the rights and freedoms of the nations of Europe, which are now being stripped away.

 

What we are witnessing is the birth of a plutocracy:

Plutocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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This may be a better topic for another thread.

 

However I will make the point that the world seems to certainly becoming a lot less democratic, after all have we ever voted for anything other than being part of a European Trading body - but still the march of legal, monetary and political integration continues with Brussels?

 

Edward Heath (a conservative prime minister) commissioned a consultation report into the effects of becoming part of a trade agreement with Europe, it warned that there would be a danger of a dissolution of borders and sovereignty in time.

 

Think of all those who fought in World War 2 for the rights and freedoms of the nations of Europe, which are now being stripped away.

 

What we are witnessing is the birth of a plutocracy:

Plutocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Sorry its a fact that the plutocracy has existed for a very long time but the point is that due to technology- primarily the internet -information exchange is now much more easily available.

The fact is that when the ancient monarchies were believed to have relinquished their power and embraced democracy that was merely a cruel illusion,in fact they(the monarchies) traded their devalued and threatened power with the new oligarchs who colluded with the monarchies to delude the proletariate into believing they had some influence about how their country would be run and they were in fact no more

enfranchised than the masses of the communist block who were at least more honest about their intentions to oppress the majority of the population.

Hitlers fascists, Stalins communists and the supposed democratic citizens of the self proclaimed free world all in reality merely pawns in the power game where the elite money men from all the major powers made fortunes from the sacrifice and suffering of the many for the benefit of the few.

We are at last experiencing a truly liberated information exchange (for now) and this will be the last chance for ordinary people to claim some sort of voice so we had better use it while we can

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Oh and by the way did any of you see the demands by John Varley (CEO Barclays Bank plc) that he and his "president of investment banking" be directly involved in formulating the new regulation bodies for the banking industry.

 

I will not say more for fear of being cagbotted!!!!!

 

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Try looking at Common Purpose this seems to be the elitists new club of power and influence

Absolutely and although going a bit off thread [but perhaps not as far as one might at first think] I would urge readers of this thread to find out more about Common Purpose. Look through the PC gloss, and it's chilling.

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Axiom 99: We are at last experiencing a truly liberated information exchange (for now) and this will be the last chance for ordinary people to claim some sort of voice so we had better use it while we can

 

I don't think this can be stressed enough- the internet has given the ordinary citizen a lifeline to fight back and influence the direction of society for OUR, majority benefit. But I fear it is going to be a limited window of opportunity so there is no time for prevarication.

 

And although I at first thought this discussion may be going off topic, I don't think it is that much. The Manchester cases are a perfect example of the struggle going on in our establishment right now, and they should be given a lot wider publicity than they are getting. The fact that it's not happening...well the reasons for that I'll leave to your own conclusions.

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I thought i was trundling into senility all alone, thank dog I'm not. An awful lot of the things we fear are happening in the name of anti-terorrism and anti-drugs. Our freedoms really are being eroded and there's nothing we can do about it!

Its at this time that we desperately need a strong independant judiciary willing to follow parliamentry laws and stand up for man in the street.

 

Oh dear................

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A solicitors was recommended to me by the Law Centre and I told them this. They specialise in Public Law they have emailed to say they can`t take any more cases on they bogged down with cases it infuriates me it doesn`t take much imagination to know what they are bogged down with but they recommended the Law Centre to help me the very people who put me onto the solicitors I feel like screaming

 

Is it too much to ask to get a solicitor to take on a Public Law Case for a British Citizen who requires legal aid that isn`t being dished out to people who are not Citizens of the UK who seem to have very little trouble obtaining legal help and legal aid it seems so unfair the help isn`t being equally shared out

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Absolutely and although going a bit off thread [but perhaps not as far as one might at first think] I would urge readers of this thread to find out more.

 

Off Topic? Make up Your Own Mind!!! Just Google " Common Purpose "!!! :cool:

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june 2010 is just another carrot in my opinion and will not resolve anything and will not open the flood gates.... each case will still have to be taken to court and the govan case just holds up thousands of others waiting for outcome.... I bet my hat eating that it does not open floodgates and that all individual cases still need to be challenged.... like I have said many times we need to bring a bank to its knees and challenge the government especially at this time when they need our votes. what needs to happen to the British public before we do something about it?

 

MP's stealing expenses

Lords selling Laws to companies

Banks stealing from poor to make sure in credit customers dont pay

credit reference agencies having no legal right to hold our data?

0845-0870 numbers

late payment fees

overlimit fees

contact centres moved to india etc ( poor customer service to save money)

Banks bailed out and brought country to its knees yet still pay huge bonuses to keep best people( which people are these, those that made mistakes in first place)

justice for victims and not criminals

 

I am sure there are many more?

 

what is it going to take before we collectively do something about it....

 

voting for the 2 major parties is not going to change things....

 

asking them to listen is not going to work either

 

The only thing that will work is direct action that will make them listen????

 

In this day of facebook, twitter and internet we have more power than ever before yet we seem less willing to utilise that power and more willing to let somebody else try and then decide if we can try( govan case)

 

frustrated ( australia for me , I think)

Only direct action by the masses will work....

 

Look at all successes they have never come from negotiation!!!

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I know that in the US they are proposing action in the form of a strike on the 15th of each month.

 

The problem obviously in planning a similar event here would be spreading the knowledge, and gaining the support of the public to join in at a time when people fear for their jobs.

 

I am certainly of the opinion that the government needs to be made re-aware that they work for us, and not the other way round.

 

Of course that depends on your view of politics, and whether you believe the political stage is anymore than grand theatre.

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what about choosing a bank and moving any money out or not paying debts to that bank..... aswell as striking on a set day or petition outside local MP constituency office when they are there

Only direct action by the masses will work....

 

Look at all successes they have never come from negotiation!!!

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My daughter is off to Australia she said this country is a joke and more interested in immigrants and criminals than the people that made it once great, she as to swear her allegiance to Australia and so she should they offering her a much better life this country as no loyalties to it`s citizens it tramples over them because we allow it. Half the mps not in touch with reality they simply have no idea or are even interested how we live and how their actions and actions of others have broke this country

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I looked at the thread because I thought it was about 'dissecting the Manchester Test Cases'.

 

Have recent threads been 'on topic' ? Ok having a rant, but for what purpose, apart from getting it off your chest.

 

I would suggest that you club together and buy your own island. Then you can make any laws that you want to or have none and you would not even need a parliament.

 

I have family in Australia who have resided there for 10 years. My BIL is a corporate lawyer. He says it is one of the most bereaucratic countries he has ever lived in, as they love red tape. The cost of living in Australia is now a lot higher than the UK. I love Australia but unless you have £500k+ or are willing to live in the middle of nowhere, money does not go far.

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I am certainly of the opinion that the government needs to be made re-aware that they work for us, and not the other way round.

 

Of course that depends on your view of politics, and whether you believe the political stage is anymore than grand theatre.

I think they are very well aware who they work for Enron and it's not us, although they expect to be paid by us.

 

What was the old chant? No taxation without representation. Some hope. Governments of both persuations have for years courted the financial sector as the saviour of our economy. They have been wrong on many occassions, but don't beleive it. They are still protecting them and doing so with our money. We have no representation.

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I looked at the thread because I thought it was about 'dissecting the Manchester Test Cases'.

 

Have recent threads been 'on topic' ? Ok having a rant, but for what purpose, apart from getting it off your chest.

 

I would suggest that you club together and buy your own island. Then you can make any laws that you want to or have none and you would not even need a parliament.

 

I have family in Australia who have resided there for 10 years. My BIL is a corporate lawyer. He says it is one of the most bereaucratic countries he has ever lived in, as they love red tape. The cost of living in Australia is now a lot higher than the UK. I love Australia but unless you have £500k+ or are willing to live in the middle of nowhere, money does not go far.

Sorry Womble, you seem to have gotten cheesed off with the forum very quickly. These long threads do go off topic now and again. If you can hang around, it will come back.

 

I think the point being made about Australia, has nothing to do with Red Tape, but freedom.

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