Dissecting the Manchester Test Case....

[patrickq1]

not only that dd Mr Brownstuff wants to make it illegal to ask questions in any public meeting with ministers without notification of the questions being asked...THIS GUY IS BECOMING A DESPOT .....

[middenmess]

Emandcole

 

We never achieve a victory--we only inflict scratches on them in minor skirmishes which are immediately healed.

 

I for one, just once in my life, would love to see the people of this country boycott one of the big banks in a show of force just to remind them who really has the power and just how vulnerable they actually are. Money and cash flow through accounts is their blood stream, without it they literally would stop functioning and as there is no honour among thieves this paralysed institution would be shunned by the rest very quickly leaving it even more vulnerable.

 

Think Northern Rock and all that happened was us donuts bailing it out.

 

The only time I've ever really witnessed any kind of collaborative effort was during the petrol price stand off a few years back. That amounted to a few quid extra for us all per week depending on mileage

 

We were merely patted on the head and placated whilst ''they'' carried on their conniving--look at the price of petrol now.

[Enron]

It`s getting more like a Communist country by the minute oh how I wish i was an illegal immigrant the world would be my oyster lol

 

There certainly is a visible feeling of a shift in power, the government is becoming more authoritarian, the regulators less and less effective, and the banks seem to be gaining more power and influence.

 

I would call it a new world order, but that is entering the realms of conspiracy theorists, but certainly things are changing for the worse.

[diddydicky]

Surely then the world would be his lobster

 

 

deri ger rodders deri ger

 

 

oops= sorry mr chisholm

 

you are what you eat mr chisholm, you are what you eat............ have a prawn mr chisholm!

[patrickq1]

losing touch with manchester case ooops we digress....

[Laura Cooke]

It`s such a shame that we British are rolling over and taking the changes lying down a poster said we are spineless yes you could say we are, when petrol was half the price it is now the country was brought to a stand still rebelling now we accept it yet someone take a towel off our sun bed in Spain and it`s world war 3

 

We were once proud to be British now one is simply embarassed, then there is probably more big brother cameras watching our every move than there is rats (as in rodents lol)

 

Mike770 no it`s not an immigration problem I have it`s a non compliance of data which I have been requesting since November which the governing body who had it have admitted to an adjudicator that they have "Lost" it the data was crucial proof in a human rights/discrimination case

 

"Personal data must be secure against abuse, loss or destruction and as such it is a criminal offence to erase and destroy the data" which is what as happened

 

I managed to get in touch with Liberty tonight after trying for 2 week on the phone they have told me to contact Community Legal Services or Chambers & Partners Public Law Solicitors to see if I can get legal aid I don`t hold much out there if a criminal tried 30 Solicitors and couldn`t get help I`ve little or no chance

 

N1 as been ignored to produce the data well it as come Wednesday and I am unsure as to what my next move is any comments/advice welcomed

[SkemDosser]

There certainly is a visible feeling of a shift in power, the government is becoming more authoritarian, the regulators less and less effective, and the banks seem to be gaining more power and influence.

 

I would call it a new world order, but that is entering the realms of conspiracy theorists, but certainly things are changing for the worse.

It's not outlandish anymore to see it as the development of a new world order. It has clearly been taking place and it's objectives achieved with ever quickening effectiveness since the seventies.

 

There is actual, documented proof of this intent. For example in the 70's an organisation of CEO's called the Business Roundtable openly declared itself 'committed to the aggressive pursuit of political power for the corporation' [real quote, not conspiracy theory spin]. They aimed to do this through direct influence of politicians, the academic world and the media. They started off spending 900 million dollars a year in the seventies [which was a huge amount then] and have continued to do so with an ever growing war chest.

 

And that's not the only businessman's club doing it. Their power and influence makes the biggest trade union at the height of its power look no more effective than a kid being able to win a conkers match in the school yard.

[the main man]

It's not outlandish anymore to see it as the development of a new world order. It has clearly been taking place and it's objectives achieved with ever quickening effectiveness since the seventies.

 

There is actual, documented proof of this intent. For example in the 70's an organisation of CEO's called the Business Roundtable openly declared itself 'committed to the aggressive pursuit of political power for the corporation' [real quote, not conspiracy theory spin]. They aimed to do this through direct influence of politicians, the academic world and the media. They started off spending 900 million dollars a year in the seventies [which was a huge amount then] and have continued to do so with an ever growing war chest.

 

And that's not the only businessman's club doing it. Their power and influence makes the biggest trade union at the height of its power look no more effective than a kid being able to win a conkers match in the school yard.

 

Try looking at Common Purpose this seems to be the elitists new club of power and influence

[Enron]

This may be a better topic for another thread.

 

However I will make the point that the world seems to certainly becoming a lot less democratic, after all have we ever voted for anything other than being part of a European Trading body - but still the march of legal, monetary and political integration continues with Brussels?

 

Edward Heath (a conservative prime minister) commissioned a consultation report into the effects of becoming part of a trade agreement with Europe, it warned that there would be a danger of a dissolution of borders and sovereignty in time.

 

Think of all those who fought in World War 2 for the rights and freedoms of the nations of Europe, which are now being stripped away.

 

What we are witnessing is the birth of a plutocracy:

Plutocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Axiom99]

This may be a better topic for another thread.

 

However I will make the point that the world seems to certainly becoming a lot less democratic, after all have we ever voted for anything other than being part of a European Trading body - but still the march of legal, monetary and political integration continues with Brussels?

 

Edward Heath (a conservative prime minister) commissioned a consultation report into the effects of becoming part of a trade agreement with Europe, it warned that there would be a danger of a dissolution of borders and sovereignty in time.

 

Think of all those who fought in World War 2 for the rights and freedoms of the nations of Europe, which are now being stripped away.

 

What we are witnessing is the birth of a plutocracy:

Plutocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Sorry its a fact that the plutocracy has existed for a very long time but the point is that due to technology- primarily the internet -information exchange is now much more easily available.

The fact is that when the ancient monarchies were believed to have relinquished their power and embraced democracy that was merely a cruel illusion,in fact they(the monarchies) traded their devalued and threatened power with the new oligarchs who colluded with the monarchies to delude the proletariate into believing they had some influence about how their country would be run and they were in fact no more

enfranchised than the masses of the communist block who were at least more honest about their intentions to oppress the majority of the population.

Hitlers fascists, Stalins communists and the supposed democratic citizens of the self proclaimed free world all in reality merely pawns in the power game where the elite money men from all the major powers made fortunes from the sacrifice and suffering of the many for the benefit of the few.

We are at last experiencing a truly liberated information exchange (for now) and this will be the last chance for ordinary people to claim some sort of voice so we had better use it while we can

Edited March 2, 2010 by Axiom99

[oilyrag]

Hear hear Axiom99

 

Very well put and if you want to know the basis of your agument look up Adam Weishaupt on this information net we have.

 

Regards

oilyrag.

[oilyrag]

Oh and by the way did any of you see the demands by John Varley (CEO Barclays Bank plc) that he and his "president of investment banking" be directly involved in formulating the new regulation bodies for the banking industry.

 

I will not say more for fear of being cagbotted!!!!!

 

oilyrag.

[SkemDosser]

Try looking at Common Purpose this seems to be the elitists new club of power and influence

Absolutely and although going a bit off thread [but perhaps not as far as one might at first think] I would urge readers of this thread to find out more about Common Purpose. Look through the PC gloss, and it's chilling.

[SkemDosser]

Axiom 99: We are at last experiencing a truly liberated information exchange (for now) and this will be the last chance for ordinary people to claim some sort of voice so we had better use it while we can

 

I don't think this can be stressed enough- the internet has given the ordinary citizen a lifeline to fight back and influence the direction of society for OUR, majority benefit. But I fear it is going to be a limited window of opportunity so there is no time for prevarication.

 

And although I at first thought this discussion may be going off topic, I don't think it is that much. The Manchester cases are a perfect example of the struggle going on in our establishment right now, and they should be given a lot wider publicity than they are getting. The fact that it's not happening...well the reasons for that I'll leave to your own conclusions.

[johnerog]

I thought i was trundling into senility all alone, thank dog I'm not. An awful lot of the things we fear are happening in the name of anti-terorrism and anti-drugs. Our freedoms really are being eroded and there's nothing we can do about it!

Its at this time that we desperately need a strong independant judiciary willing to follow parliamentry laws and stand up for man in the street.

 

Oh dear................

[Laura Cooke]

A solicitors was recommended to me by the Law Centre and I told them this. They specialise in Public Law they have emailed to say they can`t take any more cases on they bogged down with cases it infuriates me it doesn`t take much imagination to know what they are bogged down with but they recommended the Law Centre to help me the very people who put me onto the solicitors I feel like screaming

 

Is it too much to ask to get a solicitor to take on a Public Law Case for a British Citizen who requires legal aid that isn`t being dished out to people who are not Citizens of the UK who seem to have very little trouble obtaining legal help and legal aid it seems so unfair the help isn`t being equally shared out

[oilyrag]

In the UK, yes Laura it is too much to ask.

 

OR

[mark1arby]

Absolutely and although going a bit off thread [but perhaps not as far as one might at first think] I would urge readers of this thread to find out more.

 

Off Topic? Make up Your Own Mind!!! Just Google " Common Purpose "!!!

Edited March 2, 2010 by mark1arby

[fergal71]

june 2010 is just another carrot in my opinion and will not resolve anything and will not open the flood gates.... each case will still have to be taken to court and the govan case just holds up thousands of others waiting for outcome.... I bet my hat eating that it does not open floodgates and that all individual cases still need to be challenged.... like I have said many times we need to bring a bank to its knees and challenge the government especially at this time when they need our votes. what needs to happen to the British public before we do something about it?

 

MP's stealing expenses

Lords selling Laws to companies

Banks stealing from poor to make sure in credit customers dont pay

credit reference agencies having no legal right to hold our data?

0845-0870 numbers

late payment fees

overlimit fees

contact centres moved to india etc ( poor customer service to save money)

Banks bailed out and brought country to its knees yet still pay huge bonuses to keep best people( which people are these, those that made mistakes in first place)

justice for victims and not criminals

 

I am sure there are many more?

 

what is it going to take before we collectively do something about it....

 

voting for the 2 major parties is not going to change things....

 

asking them to listen is not going to work either

 

The only thing that will work is direct action that will make them listen????

 

In this day of facebook, twitter and internet we have more power than ever before yet we seem less willing to utilise that power and more willing to let somebody else try and then decide if we can try( govan case)

 

frustrated ( australia for me , I think)

[Enron]

I know that in the US they are proposing action in the form of a strike on the 15th of each month.

 

The problem obviously in planning a similar event here would be spreading the knowledge, and gaining the support of the public to join in at a time when people fear for their jobs.

 

I am certainly of the opinion that the government needs to be made re-aware that they work for us, and not the other way round.

 

Of course that depends on your view of politics, and whether you believe the political stage is anymore than grand theatre.

[fergal71]

what about choosing a bank and moving any money out or not paying debts to that bank..... aswell as striking on a set day or petition outside local MP constituency office when they are there

[Laura Cooke]

My daughter is off to Australia she said this country is a joke and more interested in immigrants and criminals than the people that made it once great, she as to swear her allegiance to Australia and so she should they offering her a much better life this country as no loyalties to it`s citizens it tramples over them because we allow it. Half the mps not in touch with reality they simply have no idea or are even interested how we live and how their actions and actions of others have broke this country

Edited March 3, 2010 by Laura Cooke

[unclebulgaria67]

I looked at the thread because I thought it was about 'dissecting the Manchester Test Cases'.

 

Have recent threads been 'on topic' ? Ok having a rant, but for what purpose, apart from getting it off your chest.

 

I would suggest that you club together and buy your own island. Then you can make any laws that you want to or have none and you would not even need a parliament.

 

I have family in Australia who have resided there for 10 years. My BIL is a corporate lawyer. He says it is one of the most bereaucratic countries he has ever lived in, as they love red tape. The cost of living in Australia is now a lot higher than the UK. I love Australia but unless you have £500k+ or are willing to live in the middle of nowhere, money does not go far.

Edited March 3, 2010 by unclebulgaria67
spel

[vint1954]

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I am certainly of the opinion that the government needs to be made re-aware that they work for us, and not the other way round.

 

Of course that depends on your view of politics, and whether you believe the political stage is anymore than grand theatre.

I think they are very well aware who they work for Enron and it's not us, although they expect to be paid by us.

 

What was the old chant? No taxation without representation. Some hope. Governments of both persuations have for years courted the financial sector as the saviour of our economy. They have been wrong on many occassions, but don't beleive it. They are still protecting them and doing so with our money. We have no representation.

[vint1954]

I looked at the thread because I thought it was about 'dissecting the Manchester Test Cases'.

 

Have recent threads been 'on topic' ? Ok having a rant, but for what purpose, apart from getting it off your chest.

 

I would suggest that you club together and buy your own island. Then you can make any laws that you want to or have none and you would not even need a parliament.

 

I have family in Australia who have resided there for 10 years. My BIL is a corporate lawyer. He says it is one of the most bereaucratic countries he has ever lived in, as they love red tape. The cost of living in Australia is now a lot higher than the UK. I love Australia but unless you have £500k+ or are willing to live in the middle of nowhere, money does not go far.

Sorry Womble, you seem to have gotten cheesed off with the forum very quickly. These long threads do go off topic now and again. If you can hang around, it will come back.

 

I think the point being made about Australia, has nothing to do with Red Tape, but freedom.