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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? 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Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hi, we are new but have been reading today with interest about dealing with a parking company ticket.

 

Our problem is slightly different to those we have read we think.

 

Over the weekend we took our elderly grandmother shopping. She brought her blue badge with her so we could park in a disabled bay near to the shops.

 

On returning we found a parking ticket from one of these companies issuing us a £100 fine reduced to £60 for early payment

 

On inspecting the blue badge, it was 3 weeks out of date. My grandmother had forgotten to renew (she is doing so, now she has found this out)

 

Our question is do we just accept this - as technically the badge was out of date. Do we ignore, or do the lousy company have a case

 

many thanks in anticipation

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no diff

blue badges have no legal status on private property anyhow

 

ignore as usual.

 

its NOT A FINE

 

but a speculative invoice anyhow

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ooops sorry, yes its an invoice, not a fine ! thanks for your replies so far

 

If anyone else offers a different opinion though, please feel free

 

we are getting confident vibes so far though !

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simply do some reading in this forum

 

you'll soon get the idea

 

NO private parking invoice

has any LEGAL STATUS at all.

 

you'll get scary letters

then some more scary letter from the DCA's

 

just remember they have NO LEGAL POWERS to do anything.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Your situation is NOT different. You have a meaningless demand from a powerless firm whose business is to extort money from motorists. Same as all the others.

 

It doesn't matter if your badge has expired any more than it matters whether you have a wheel trim missing, or your ash tray is full. They have no right whatsoever to fine you for it.

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These silly companies have signs up saying blue badge must be displayed, seeing they have no authority over a blue badges use, that could mean an able bodied person could park with a blue badge, but a disabled person without one could not!

 

It would also be interesting to hear under what authority the invoice muppet at the car park is checking the validity of the blue badge?

 

It a very handy excuse for these companies to issue invoices using the "stop disabled bay abuse" ploy.

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we have been considering all our options all day. We are coming to the conclusion that because the blue badge accidentally was expired date wise, that we cant take the chance of anyone taking this further.

 

The risk seems too great. Although we will be writing to all the retail outlets on the retail park informing them of their loss of our custom because they are associated with these parking companies

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we have been considering all our options all day. We are coming to the conclusion that because the blue badge accidentally was expired date wise, that we cant take the chance of anyone taking this further

 

The risk seems too great. Although we will be writing to all the retail outlets on the retail park informing them of their loss of our custom because they are associated with these parking companies

 

The is no risk!!!!

You are being scammed!!

Ive had loads of these and nothing has happened.

 

If you look on money saving expert you will see

the letters that you will get.

 

It's a [problem]. Don't be fooled.

 

Finally there is no risk!!!! and if you do fall for this then it shows you have failed to read the advice etc. Why don't you just throw your money down the drain....

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Believe me, we have looked non stop at all the sites, and 99% of the time it does appear nothing happens if you ignore it.... its just the badge expiry bit that makes us think we would be the 1% to fail.

 

We have yet to see any example of someone contesting these fake tickets due to an expired blue badge. If anyone can show me an example, it may help our confidence to ignore

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You can pay it any time upto any court case date and it will go no further, so why worry?

 

If you pay it then all you are doing is keeping these rogues in business to carry on ripping off other innocent motorists. Please don't as that impacts on all of us.

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You are no different from anyone else. All part of the [problem] letter chain. It makes no difference what reason u got given the invoice for. What company was it by the way?

 

You are also looking at it from the wrong angle. You don't contest an unvouce. You ignore it.

 

Do you mind me asking and don't take this the wrong way, but are you easy to fool? If so *please* give me your address and ill be around to see how much I can [problem] out of you by fake demands,deception etc

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Believe me, we have looked non stop at all the sites, and 99% of the time it does appear nothing happens if you ignore it.... its just the badge expiry bit that makes us think we would be the 1% to fail.

 

We have yet to see any example of someone contesting these fake tickets due to an expired blue badge. If anyone can show me an example, it may help our confidence to ignore

 

If you received a windscreen ticket the PPC don't know who you are. If and when they pay £2.50 to the DVLA they will find out the Registered Keeper. They will not know who was driving or if the RK was even there. The PPC just want your money and will use scary words to help get it.

 

The Blue Badge aspect is completely meaningless

 

At this stage it would be helpful to your pocket if you named the PPC if not the location. Others will know if that PPC has any track record with court.

 

Otherwise agree with Notts Phil, you are literally throwing your money down the drain if you pay, worse still you won't have made the PPC shell out £2,50 and you will waste your time and money writing to faceless managers of retail outlets.

 

Why not post back and itemise what you think the risks are and these can be answered one by one. That will be cheaper than writing out a cheque

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you do realise that your blue badge has NO LEGAL STANDING on private property valid or not?

 

all they have done is found 'fault' to use that to spoof you into filling their pockets.

 

lets put it another way.........

 

say someone's tax disc was out of date....

 

have you seen them do it for that?

 

nope

 

because they have no authority to do so. they are not the law

 

now so lets go one step further in your case then..

 

your BB was out of date?

what aRE YOU ACTUALLY frightened about here?

 

they aRE NOT the authority that issues your blue badge anyhow so how the hell can they punish you for it being out of date??

 

get real....

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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"We have yet to see any example of someone contesting these fake tickets due to an expired blue badge. If anyone can show me an example, it may help our confidence to ignore"

 

We cant as I and other members here have never seen one in the years we have been here and other sites.

 

There are a couple of PPC's who will try when an able bodied person parks in a disable bay, but one would not dare in your circumstance!

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"We have yet to see any example of someone contesting these fake tickets due to an expired blue badge. If anyone can show me an example, it may help our confidence to ignore"

 

We cant as I and other members here have never seen one in the years we have been here and other sites.

 

There are a couple of PPC's who will try when an able bodied person parks in a disable bay, but one would not dare in your circumstance!

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I currently have a guy at work at the first "Roxburger" letter for parking

ACROSS 3 dis-bays in a 7.5t truck to deliver instore, whilst I don't

condone it, I also know how legal the charge is, and what chance they

have of recovering it. It's your money, with respect, if you have it to throw

away that's your prerogative, but please think very carefully first, because

you will be throwing it away..

 

Good luck & best wishes, Dave.

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and then they'll comeback for more if you pay too.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Believe me, we have looked non stop at all the sites, and 99% of the time it does appear nothing happens if you ignore it.... its just the badge expiry bit that makes us think we would be the 1% to fail.

 

We have yet to see any example of someone contesting these fake tickets due to an expired blue badge. If anyone can show me an example, it may help our confidence to ignore

 

Please don't be a fool. There isn't a 1% who fail and whether your badge was out of date is completely, totally, utterly irrelevant. YOU OWE THEM NOTHING.

 

It can't be clearer, can it? Don't flush your money down the toilet.

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Do not cave in, as the Blue badge has no status on private land, it is an invoice. Actually under the Equalities Act 2010, the company who own the land, could well be guilty of an offence of "Failing to make a reasonable adjustment" as in person is disabled fact, BB even though expired means that one of the vehicle occupants IS most likely disabled within the meaning of the Equalities Act, so if they did do court, the expired and new badges would provide an Absolute Defence" and would form the meat of the counterclaim for direct Disability Discrimination.

 

Who is in the wrong NOW? Certainly not OP, so chill and ignore these clowns.

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