UKPC ltd/DCB(L) 2015 ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - Valley Retail Park, Hesterman Way, Croydon ***Claim Discontinued***

[EveOwes]

Hi

 

My daughter parked in Valley Park Retail Park a while back. It was 7.30 pm and shops were shutting and loads of spaces empty. She parked in a disabled bay. Was only there for a few mins and got a ticket. I know she shouldn't have done it and hasn't since.

 

We have ignored all the tickets and letters these people have sent and now Zenith have offered a reduced charge of £80. We haven't accepted the offer yet.

 

I'm confused in that her car is still registered at our old address but post is coming to current address. There is currently a case against her that PACE is taking through the courts. Would they have got current info from that?

 

Does anybody think we should pay the £80?

 

My daughter is on a very low income and if PACE win at court she will only be able to offer them a tiny amount each week as payment.

 

I've got questions also about two other parking issues both with bailiffs and wondered whether I should do a separate post for those - each or together? I feel I am using a lot of CAG's time at the moment. So many parking problems and debt problems.

 

thanks

[martin2006]

A separate thread for each issue please eveowes, the parking guru's will be along to advise but may be tomorrow now, tis getting late

[dx100uk]

id be more concerned that the car and her licence too?

are still registered at an old address...

if the DVLA catch wind of that

it WILL be fines.

 

 

as for zenith.

date of the ticket please

[Oddfellow]

Apologies for not being the correct forum for this comment, but it is related to the OP ...

 

 

If your car is not registered at the correct address, you are breaking the law, as DX says, but your insurance may also be invalid, and ultimately the police have the power to seize the vehicle.

[EveOwes]

Ah, ok. I will get the address thing dealt with. Thanks

[ericsbrother]

as for UKPC and Zenith,

it is the same person wearing a different dress.

 

 

DR+ are the parking industry's favourite debt collector but they, like Zenith have no powers to do anything regardless of what superpowers they claim to have.

 

Tell us about the PACE claim and I bet we can find a reason as to why they will lose.

 

another reason for updating the DVLA record is these people have 6 years to start a claim,

if they get wind that a wriong address is being used they may well issues a claim in a few years time when you post is no longer being forwarded and get a CCJ against you by default as they are obliged to use the details the DVLA gave them, even if they know it is wrong because legally it isnt.

Edited August 23, 2016 by dx100uk

[EveOwes]

Hi

I have received a number of letters (3 so far) from DCBL saying I owe £160 for parking in a disabled bay in Aug 2015 in a shopping retail park.  I don't remember anything about this ticket and I'm not aware of having done this at all.

 

They now say they are recommending their client takes legal action.  I haven't contacted them yet and not sure what to do about it.  Any advice please?  Thank you for your time.

 

[FTMDave]

Who are DCBL's client?  I'm guessing a private parking company, so I've moved your thread to that part of the forum.

 

You say you are not aware of doing this.  Have you moved since 2015?  Is it possible correspondence has gone to an old address?

 

It would be useful if you would upload the latest DCBL letter, redacted of any personal info.

 

 

[dx100uk]

If you have moved since then and or received a letter of claim you must reply. This is close to statute barred so they are phishing to see if you do or should reply and if not will advise their client to file a backdoor ccj to your old address if you have moved 

[EveOwes]

Hi. I mentioned these people a few weeks back but got distracted with other life events. Now they’ve written a third time and I’m getting a bit worried. I’ve attached letter - I can’t attach it as it’s a pic on my ohone and it won’t let me??
 

we don’t remember this ticket or event or who could have been driving at the time. Apparently it was in April 2016. 
 

what should I do. I haven’t spoken or communicated with DCBL. 
 

any help would be welcome. Thanks

 

I’m loading pic to laptop to see if I can save it as different extension 

[dx100uk]

please complete this:

 

then simply follow the websites listed in our upload guide

 

redact the recent letter as a jpg then convert to PDF please.

 

 

[FTMDave]

I've had to hide your post because you've left the fleecers' reference number and the car registration showing.  Please redact these and post again.

 

Anyway the important thing is you've now got a Letter of Claim and you need to reply with a suitable snotty letter showing them you'd be big trouble if they did do court.

[EveOwes]

I can only find these two letters so don't know what I've done with first two but they were asking for payment, and were basically a copy of each other, just asking for payment, saying i hadn't responded to first letter etc hence the second letter.  Then we got these two (attached).

 

Nobody remembers this, either seeing a ticket or actually parking there.  If somebody borrowed the car they haven't owned up to it, and now, nearly six years later, we have no idea of this or any memory of it.

 

For a windscreen ticket (Notice To Driver) please answer the following questions....

 

 1 The date of infringement? 12/04/2016
 

2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? [Y/N?] no
 

Has there been a response? n/a
 

Have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days] I haven't seen one
 

What date is on it? n/a
 

Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? n/a
 

 

3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) [Y/N?] n/a
 

4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK,

did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process?

[it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances] n/a
 

5 Who is the parking company? UK Parking Control ltd
 

6. Where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? Valley Retail Park, Hesterman Way, Croydon

 

dcbl pdf merged.pdf

[dx100uk]

well dont disappear for another 7 mts!!

 

you MUST reply to the PAPLOC with a snotty letter within 30days.

 

well done got there...

 

they've only set this hoping you have moved so they can get a guaranteed backdoor CCJ.

 

you haven't so they can't.

 

use our enhanced google search box for

Snotty letter

 

pop your ideas up here 1st before sending to off

you have 30days from the date of the PAPLOC.

 

dx

 

[dx100uk]

thread tidied

 

dx

 

[EveOwes]

The SARs letters will be as follows (via emails)

 

to DCB Legal: 

(a) I am seeking debt advice but I deny any debt and the case must be put 'on hold' for not less than 30 days under the PAP for debt claims 2017.
(b) I have sent your client a SAR
(c) also confirm your correct 'address for service' if you've moved and the PPC has two addresses. (not relevant as they are writing to our current address)

 

to UK Parking Control Ltd:

- ALL photos taken
- all letters/emails sent and received, including any appeal correspondence earlier
- all data held, all evidence they will rely on, and a full copy of the PCN, NTK
- and a list of all PCNs outstanding against you and/or this VRN, and remind them that any claim must be for all PCNs, not several separate claims.

 

Are these OK, do I need to add anything?  Do I need to say that nobody remembers this?

 

Thank you

Edited September 22, 2021 by EveOwes

[FTMDave]

That's not what we had in mind.

 

The time to be sending SARs was way back in March or earlier when you first heard from them, not at the last minute when you're on the eve of a court case.

 

You need to write a snotty letter so the idiots realise (a) you haven't moved so no chance of a backdoor CCJ and (b) you're a pain in the backside who would cause them big trouble if they did do court.

 

There's a suitable snotty letter in post 32 at  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/439586-futuregladstones-anpr-pcn-paploc-funfair-bridge-st-stourport-on-severn-worcs/page/2/#comments  Obviously change things such as the addressee details and the amount of the Unicorn Food Tax,  add the PCN number and send off tomorrow to both DCBL and UKPC, otherwise you could well get a county court claim form. 

 

Use snail mail, not e-mail, if this does get to court, using e-mail would mean they could file documents at one minute to the deadline full of lies which it would be too late for you to counter.

 

If you want to send a SAR as well to find out what this is all about, then fine, send the SAR in a few days' time, but to UKPC only.

[EveOwes]

Thank you.  The instructions I read seemed to indicate that when you get the LBC with 30 days to respond then you send a SARs.

Anyway, I've taken your example and changed it a bit, as follows:

 

Dear xxx

 

I acknowledge receipt of your Letter Of Claim.  This case is being defended on the grounds that I am not aware of the existence of the PCN or of the alleged infringement.

 

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you think your client has a case.

 

Can you also break down the £160 that you are demanding - what extra costs have been incurred, and what was the amount detailed on the original invoice.

 

This alleged infringement was almost six years ago, and it's unreasonable of you to allege this after such a long time without providing anything in support of your client's claim.  I believe your additional costs are also unreasonable under CPR 27.14(2)(g) and these should be removed regardless or if this goes to court I will make a claim to have them removed.

 

Yours sincerely

name

 

copy to UK Parking Control Ltd

 

[FTMDave]

If you send that you will definitely be taken to court.

 

There's no reason for the fleecers not to take you to court.  You admit that you know nothing about the case and you make basic legal mistakes: they have every right to bring a case within six years;  CPR 27.14(2)(g) has got nothing to do with their inflated charges, it is a procedure used when someone loses a court case, has to pay the other party's capped costs, plus extra costs for unreasonable behaviour.  As for "without providing anything in support of your client's claim" from their point of view you've had several letters before (which you admit).  Send that and they will be straight on MCOL and in a few days you will have a county court claim

 

I pointed you in the direction of a snotty letter which was written for someone who, like you, had no information about the original "offence" and is therefore generic and suitable for use by you too.  It should be sent word for word (apart from obvious things like the addressees).  It makes you seem like someone who would just make a hole in the fleecers' pockets if they did do court.  The idea is that they will leave you in peace and go after some mug instead - although of course there are no guarantees. 

[dx100uk]

nothere does it say ever send an sar, pretty pointless.

 

i know you've always had a habit of 'doing your own thing' since you came here, but it might now be time to actually follow our advice from now on and not try to re interpret what people actually advice.

 

its a tried and tested foolproof method of limiting your exposure to the nasty people and their ways, you open a walkway by doing something not advised, be sure as eggs the fleecers will exploit it.

 

dx

 

1 hour ago, EveOwes said:

This alleged infringement was almost six years ago

i would most def NEVER alert them to impending SB....

[EveOwes]

I haven’t done my own thing in the past and have always used your letters word for word. But this is different. It’s a pcn. I looked up snotty letters and was confused trying to find one to fit. 
 

so you want me to mock them? This isn’t Gladstone or Gladys etc it’s a different mob. I am confused. Is that a template for all the fleeces?

 

are you saying I should copy it word for word

Edited September 22, 2021 by EveOwes

[dx100uk]

its dcb(l) ..fake paper only solicitors run by dcbl lot... the TV bailiffs...even worse...

 

 

 

  2 hours ago, EveOwes said:

This alleged infringement was almost six years ago

i would most def NEVER alert them to impending SB....

[FTMDave]

There - the obvious changes made:

 

Dear DCBL,

 

cheers for your Letter Before Claim.  I had a good laugh at the idea you actually really thought I'd take such tripe seriously and cough up!

 

As usual you'll have done no due diligence before sending out your bilge otherwise you'd know full well your client's case is complete pants.

 

Your client has scored a big own goal by adding £60 Unicorn Food Tax.  Wooops!  Judges don't like these made-up sums, do they?

 

Your client can either drop this hopeless case or get a good kicking in court where I will go for an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g) and spend it all on a foreign holiday now that we can all travel again, while all the time laughing at your client.

 

I look forward to your deafening silence.

 

COPIED TO UK PARKING CONTROL LTD

[EveOwes]

ok then, I will send out the mocking letter as recommended by you guys.  I will send it first thing tomorrow to both of them by royal mail - do I need to send registered post or just next day delivery (I think I read in the snotty letter section that not to do registered post)?

 

thank you for your advice

 

PS Their letter is a Letter OF Claim, not a letter Before claim - does that make a difference? thanks

Edited September 23, 2021 by EveOwes
ps

[dx100uk]

Same thing

2nd class will do with free proof of posting at any po counter.

 

Dx