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    • Hi DX   That is the only info letter I have we can't locate the first letter or original parking fine notification My wife said there wasn't  anything on the car windscreen. Do I ask the DC for the original notification ?   what shall I do just wait until they pursue through court ?   apologies for lack of info  Cancookwill
    • Hello, I've been following this thread and have some experience to share... Stand by for lots of words.   About 6 weeks ago, the engine seized on my car - 10 days before planning to use it for our 2 week trip around the UK!  I searched the internet for companies who could replace/rebuild the engine and get it back to me in time... One company that came up was 169 UK. I called the number and explained my predicament and the chap on the phone (who called himself Lee - I'm not convinced this was his real name) promised that if the vehicle got to him the next day or so, he'd have it done in time for our holiday!. He gave all kinds of reassurances about the types of vehicles they work on, from Porsches etc, even people from Spain taking their cars to him.. All work came through 3rd party websites (how i'd found them too) so you generally wont find reviews.    I was weary going into this, but you got to put your faith somewhere, right? so off it went on a trailer to Essex. NOW... I'd already asked where it would be going and I also tracked it by leaving a mobile phone hidden in the car. Interestingly, the place i was told i'd be collecting it from was not the same place the recovery guy (called Patrick?) told me he was delivering it to..    Anyway, they get the car and straight away tell me that the sump is full of diesel and that my ECU is faulty and its locked open one bank of injectors - causing the failure. All of this is feasible, but it meant that the car would not be ready in time for my holiday  He also tells me the DPF's (i'm sure it only has one, but he referred to there being more) were also completely blocked solid and needed to be dealt with (in this case, drilled and mapped out - which is also illegal) All of these little extras have now taken the cost from £3500 to nearly £5000  - as he was " putting together a special package for me" I tell him ok, i'm now away for 2 weeks so you have a little more time, i'll collect it when i get back.  I call him on the Friday before we travel home, asking how its going... he says "well, we aven't done it.. you said you were gonna be away for 2 weeks" apparently he marked to dairy wrong. So i call him again on the Monday following, I say I want to collect it that Thursday... not unreasonable. He then starts with the excuses that he has loads of guys off sick at the moment etc.. BUT, The car IS in the workshop and the boys ARE getting on with it. I say, OK.. but keep me updated daily as i need to make arrangements to come and get it. Tuesday passes without a word, so Wednesday morning i txt him asking for an update. He called me back around and hour later to tell me that the ECU they sourced for me is also faulty (they tested it before fitting it as they're nice like that) and it has water damage so he has to get another one, but that isn't going to get to him until the following Tuesday - which brings us up to this week.   Everything up until this point has been feasible if not a little annoying, BUT here is where is gets good...  On Sunday i happened to be in Essex on other business so decided to swing by Basildon and see if i could find my car. Knowing where it had been dropped off before the tracking phone died, i had a good idea where to look. And i also had the address of the garage where i'd be picking it up from. Hoping to not find it too easily - after all, it was being worked on on the Monday; Imagine my surprise to find it in the exact location it had been dropped off 4 weeks previously!  I lifted the bonnet - nothing had been touched.  The amount of dust on the bodywork and distinct lack of any hand prints etc strongly indicated that nothing had been touched and it certainly hadn't been moved in all that time. He may well have taken the ECU out to test but put it back, that's easy to do - but there is now way to tell from there that the DPF is blocked without removing it, or having full access to the ECU - which is faulty, remember?  It had all been LIES.  Now i am annoyed, but informed and he doesn't know that i know he's been lying to me.  I spent the next couple of days talking to various people i know and arranged my own recovery to get the car back - even if that meant effectively stealing it back. Long story short, i had it collected and got it back to me last night.  The guy who collected it went to the garage i'd been told i'd be collecting it from - Unit 28 Noble Square( Essex car and Commercial) and asked for Lee... Low and behold no-one by that name works there and the car (and others parked in the same place) were nothing to do with them! but then one guy did say "oh hang on, i think i know who you mean, let me give him a call"... 10 minutes later, 'Lee' showed up.  My man then had to endure conversation with this charlatan, but did glean some information that might be of interest.  "LEE" doesn't directly do any of this work... he takes on jobs, maybe up to 30 at a time and then farms them out to local garages. This explains why nothing had been done and why so many others get stuck in this net.   I was surprised that he was calm and didn't get the hump about me taking the car back, i still don't really understand what the scam is, but there definitely is one.  I think i've been very lucky that no money has been paid, i owe him nothing and i got out of there.  The amount of mental anguish and anxiety this has caused me has been extreme.  Now i'm back to square one, still with a broken car. But i'm only £500 out of pocket (for the recovery each way) and not £5k that it was supposedly going to cost... at some point, who knows when!     
    • Good luck from me as well Dixon, fingers crossed.    HB
    • Last time, the Judge provided me with, I would say, the most amount of time to speak. She started with HMRC, and they moved on to me. Essentially, since HMRC last responded to me (the original document I scribbled notes on), I feel it's right I should go first and just comment on each of their responses.   I'll leave sending that link to them, just in case HMRC then find something against it. I'll just bring it up, and mention the above quotes.
    • It's fine. Someone who deals with this more often than me will know.   HB
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UKPC ltd/DCB(L) 2015 ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - Valley Retail Park, Hesterman Way, Croydon ***Claim Discontinued***


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Where the hell has this £80.92 come from?  Interest?

 

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questionnaire trimmed as that was the credit sticky no the shorter PPC pcn one filled out.

the £82 is court 8% int from date of PCN till today raising at 0.02 per day  

 

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

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register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.


Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...


You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

 

you do not need to SAR CPR will suffice send it as is.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim


type your name ONLY


no need to sign anything

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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

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Hi. Thanks all for your responses.  I just wanted the bit about our personal situation deleted if poss. I was just wanting to explain to you guys so that you didn’t think I was ignoring advice. 
 

I will do what has been suggested. If I get stuck I will come back as soon as possible to ask for help. I will get it done this weekend. 
 

can I just confirm that the CPR goes to DCB legal?  Thanks

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OK, I've edited your post as requested.

 

On the claimform there should be an address for serving documents, which I presume is DCB Legal.

 

As dx says, the CPR request will do the work of the SAR.

 

 

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The section 69 8% interest must be challenged in your defence its not acceptable to charge 5 years interest just because they have delayed issuing a claim for 5 years...that's classed as racketeering. The norm is and restricted to is 12 months at the most.

 

Andy.

 

 

 

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Hi

 

This is where Im up to on the mcol pages.  Shall I just exit now and not do anything else.  I followed the instructions that I was given by CAG.

 

If my daughter loses this case, what is the likelihood of the amount being reduced to £100 as suggested previously?  My daughter will be devastated by a CCJ.  She's working hard to qualify for her future career and wants to be able to get a mortgage one day.  This seems so unfair.

I will do the CPR in the morning as I'm too tired now.  I don't see how this can be defended if nobody knows anything about it.  Whoever was in the car has not owned up to it.  They still haven't sent a copy of the NTK or the letters apparently sent by UKPC when this occurred.

 

I also noticed that DCBL sent out a whole bundle of these little poison arrows on the same day as people have been mentioning them on the facebook parking invoice pages.  They're very busy it seems.  And many of them are as old as our one and from UKPC and others.

 

thanks

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looks like you've done AOS 

so thats that bit.

cpr ASAP - it should have gone out WEEKS ago as you knew about the claim on  – 24/11/21

though they probably wont bother till WS stage.

 

make sure you research PCN Claimform threads 

 

and as this is not you in court, it might help you to read hobtails thread.

 

 

 

the defence will be almost the same i expect but

thats not due till xmas eve, but i'd file it by 4pm 23rd

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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51 minutes ago, EveOwes said:

I will do the CPR in the morning as I'm too tired now.  I don't see how this can be defended if nobody knows anything about it. 

You won't like me saying this, but the reason "nobody knows anything about it" is because you threw the original paperwork away, didn't SAR the company and still haven't sent the CPR.

 

It really is up to you.  We can help you beat the fleecers but if you constantly don't do what the site advises then you had better get used to the idea of getting hammered in court.  Your choice.

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and the OP is not the one in court...

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi. Happy Christmas. I’ve just realised that the defence to this court case needs to be put in by 26/12 I think (33 days from 24/11)

 

if anyone has a few mins to spare can you tell me whether the defence of not being aware of it counts. As in we haven’t seen a ticket and no knowledge of a notice to keeper.  We only received a couple of letters from DCBL this year - 5 years after the event.  We cannot identify who might have been driving the car at the time. Is this a reasonable defence? It is the truth. 
 

I think DCB Legal were hoping to win cases by default because of the Xmas holiday and distraction. 
 

im sorry but I almost forgot about it too so any advice at all would be appreciated. Nothing back yet on CPR. 

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I think you have extra time due to Bank Holidays, but it's best to err on the side of caution, so, OK, file tomorrow.

 

Simply file our generic defence which can later be fleshed out, plus the point that Andyorch brought up in post 51 -

 

The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature which fails to comply with CPR 16.4.  The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.

 

1.  The Defendant is the recorded keeper of [motor vehicle].

 

2.  It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant.

 

3.  As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance.  The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner.  Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. 

 

4.  In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant.

 

5.  The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer. 

 

6.  The Claimant's invoice/PCN was issued more than five and a half years ago and it is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation and claim nearly six years' interest.

 

7.  The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety.  It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all.

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27th by 4pm you have 1 extra day.

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I don’t believe this. My laptop is being repaired so I used a different one to login. But I had to mess around with passwords etc. 
anyway I’m in Mcol and entered the claim number and password but system is saying they’re incorrect. 
I feel like screaming tbh

i think it thinks I’m me and not the defendant. 

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wont be anything to do with the device.

mcol often has hissy fits.

 

MCOL is only one way of responding to a claim. 
(AOS, DEFENCE, N180 ETC)
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If you are having problems logging in, or would prefer not to use MCOL
you can fax, email or post your response to the Court instead. 

If you send your response by e mail 
please send it to [email protected] 

ensure you quote “Claim number xxx xxx (type of response i'e AOS , Defence, N180)” in the subject field. 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just copy and paste your defence into an email and do the subject header as advised above

 

you are a litigant in person and have certain leeway and its the xmas/new year holiday period.

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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 Didn’t do a N180 though. I will do one and send it as well. 

 

Your not at that stage yet...the court will send you a blank DQ should the claimant wish to proceed.....if the claim is stayed there is no requirement to submit a DQ or allocate the claim.

 

Andy

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Sorry to hear about your illness.  I hope the symptoms are not too bad.

 

If you're able to answer, two questions.

 

1.  How long have the fleecers had to reply to the CPR request?

 

2.  Is your daughter infected too?  Or can she work on this and go to the post office?

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Thanks. The whole family got ill. I ended up in hospital briefly but getting better now. I need to go to the post office tomorrow anyways. 
 

I sent the CPR a few weeks ago but can’t remember the exact date. I do have the proof… yes sent on 15/12

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OK, no rush then, especially with it being Christmas/New Year.

 

My thinking is to SAR the fleecers if they don't reply to the CPR say by the end of the month.

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