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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Yes it was horrendous 

 

i did did not have the skills or knowledge to articulate my side really

 

i stood on oath and went over my finances so the judge could give a monthly amount for me to pay back 

 

I now have a hearing for costs (the appealed) and SO to respond to 

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The land Registry wont let them place a normal charging order if both of you are registered owners/joint mortgage...it will be a restriction K

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I’ve never complained or responded to anything I’ve felt was out of order 

 

 I’ve shared documents and never moaned or commented about ill advice that’s been given 

 

so if  by all 3 you include me then not sure why you would

 

But it’s like People can’t ask questions without being attacked on here, which is my own opinion. 

 

I agree, sometimes the advice is very good. And sometimes it comes across as sarcastic - again my own view 

 

 

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in all 3 cases we were not a party too nor were ever consulted to advise upon the proposed defences.

they never posted here before or after submission

post 70 of your thread clearly paints the story.

 

all fell into the trap that was by a poster that came here saying never post anything...….did their paid for job IMHO when I reality the fleecers see it 24hrs after submitting it via MCOL anyway.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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18 minutes ago, SquaddyP said:

I objected and won. Twice. 
 

 

 

Really what do you mean by Won....?   So what happened to the CCJs in connection to the Interim Charging orders ?

 

https://www.nationaldebtline.org/EW/factsheets/PDFs/countycourtchargingorders.pdf

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Sorry maybe won isn’t the correct term?  

I had the CO declined from the court.

They Appealed.

It was declined a second time.

 

I pay the CCJ monthly.  

There is no CO on my house.    

Had they won the CO I know their next step would have been bankrupt order (not sure the terminology) 

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Very lucky...and very rare......you must have had fantastic reasons as to why it shouldn't be placed.

 

The next stage of enforcing a charging order....is Forced sale not Bankruptcy...and force sales in court you can count them on  one hand in the last 5 years.

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cant see one post here where anyone ever said to ignore letters of claim or court claimforms.????

 

the major issue is mostly all of the CWD claim threads here contain months of no updates

whereby the OP's went away and did their own things, despite never taking the correct advice.

 

choosing to sadly following the backdoor advice from a member that came here advising not to ever post up any documents and not tell us anything ever.

 

for those reasons cag is not to blame and i seriously doubt had cag been kept informed and not kept in the dark, every case would have turned out very differently.

 

sadly following the advice from planted members and patsy's from the opposition won the day and probably lined their pockets with more money through backhanders to allow these things to happen.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Honestly. You are passive aggressive and actually in my view, of no help. All you do is make sarcastic comments.  You won’t accept if anyone challenges yours advice. Even people who have been through this.  Anyone who loses is accused of not posting everything, not following your advise. Or being a patsy (whatever that is) 
 

I was advised In court by the barrister not to post specific names dates etc as this site is monitored. I was then as part of CWD expenses charged for them monitoring this site. I have their claims if anyone wants to question. 
 

my advice is do your own research. I contacted local universities for law students needing “clients and case studies” I contacted citizens advice and I also contacted a law firm in Lincolnshire who said it was always 50/50 either way.  
 

so anyone saying, Ignore, Post everything on here, Follow our advice,  is in my opinion clueless. (Just my opinion) as true advice would state, we don’t know, it’s difficult to say, try this... etc. 

 

My Best advice is- “not sure I can only state what I have been through”  

 

just saying 

 

 

 

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With all due respect dx I dont believe that posters are patsys. I'm certainly not..you have seen every bit of paperwork I've ever received from CWD.

 

To blame us for following advice is unreasonable and if you look back to my first ever post you will see that I was told dont worry you will never have to pay a penny! 

 

CWD are not uk **** debt collectors they know exactly what they are doing and they get away with it and the courts believe them as they masquerade as solicitors! 

 

I consulted with a solicitor and he didnt want to take them on as he had heard of them.

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2 hours ago, SquaddyP said:

  Real reasons. A family, child at school still. Not missed a payment. The debt was not proportional to secure to a house and would be paid within 3 years 

 

Yes thats a reason that it would be rejected...I didnt mean to be flippant when stating fantastic reasons Squaddy I should have said worthy and genuine.

 

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On 15/09/2020 at 17:29, SquaddyP said:

It was declined a second time. I pay the CCJ monthly.

 

What makes you think it won't be declined a third time?

If it is, depending on how much you are paying each month and how long those payments would last until you repaid the debt, you could consider an Individual Voluntary Arrangement.

 

Assuming you have equity in your property;

It's a form of insolvency which would prevent a further interim order application or bankruptcy petition and leave the debt unsecured. It would also protect your equity.

 

You would need to make payments of £60 - £100 per month for six years.

Then all (caveats) of your unsecured debt will be written off, it could work out cheaper then paying the debt.

 

There are conditions which you and your creditors would have to meet for the IVA to be implemented.

So no guarantee you will get one. 

 

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please be very careful of IVA's

most simply line the provider's pockets with your money in monthly fees... very little actually goes off the actual debts the IVA is supposed to service .

 

most IVA's through one reason or another Fail and you find the few £'s a month that did filter through to your creditors in The IVA has simple run the those debts SB dates to infinity.

 

a good trick if you do have registered CCJ's ( very worthy to check credit files or trustonline sites esp with UAE debts that a CCJ is THERE!!) bung in an N245 to vary the judgement, then things cant ever escalate further.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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6 hours ago, dx100uk said:

please be very careful of IVA's

 

Agreed, seek full debt advice from a regulated debt adviser before applying for any type of insolvency.

 

Do you know of statistics that prove "most IVA's through one reason or another Fail"?

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