CPC invoice from parkingenforcement - seems they do court all the time & win??

[Salty Wagyu]

Just got a contractual payment charge stuck to my car on Sunday, was only 5 minutes late to my car.

 

The charge is £60 within 14 days, £100 if the deadline is missed.

 

Have already appealed stating that I have a hearing loss

and was using sign language and writing in my attempts to communicate with members of the church on that day,

which as you can imagine takes longer than speaking,

thus I was back to the car late.

 

The appeal was rejected.

 

Their website is parkingenforcement.co they claim they are a member of the BPA in the appeal rejection letter.

 

A snippet of the appeal rejection:

 

We are therefore unable to cancel the Contractual Payment Charge as it was issued correctly.

 

You must now make payment of £60 to reach us by 05/06/2013 or £100 to reach us by 19/06/2013.

 

We must advise you that if payment is not made there will be extra debt recovery costs.

 

The company operates to guidelines agreed in advance by the landowner.

 

It is important to rigidly adhere to these guidelines in order to counter any allegation of preferential treatment.

 

The warning notices on display on the site clearly state the landowners parking restrictions.

 

You may have recourse against the person who advised you to park contrary to the site parking restrictions.

 

Your vehicle was parked on private property without the landowner’s permission and the conditions for parking on the property had expired.

 

The landowner of the property you parked your vehicle on has contracted the company to provide parking control services.

 

Your correspondence states that you made a decision to park on private property despite the restrictions.

 

The circumstances are not considered by the appeals board to be an important/emergency as you could have parked elsewhere

or contacted the control centre for advice as stated on the signage.

 

You state in your correspondence "

 

i was given a £60 fine for arriving back t my car only 5 minutes late,

"

 

- The ticket displayed on your vehicle expired at 12:43 and the operative took the last picture of the vehicle at: 12:52.

(of course it would be, the security guy was taking pictures of the car whilst I was talking to him!)

 

The vehicle had over 9 minutes free parking which is almost twice the given time to allow drivers to depart from site

or purchase a further ticket.

 

Do I pay or ignore?

 

Sorry for lack of paragraphs, previewing my post seems to remove them for some reason.

[dx100uk]

ignore them

 

dx

[Salty Wagyu]

I'm curious about the court cases on that site though, is it just a scare tactic?

[dx100uk]

yep

 

like most of these speculative invoice companies

 

it was prob an ex employee or a relative.

 

put up job!

 

dx

[Salty Wagyu]

Ok thanks Does it matter they have my home address? I had to put one in on the appeal form :/

[dx100uk]

http://www.parkingenforcement.co/index.php?page=enforcement

 

its int that 90% of those were undefended

and most of those that were

appear to have 'given in' before judgement.

 

very few actual finish judgements.

 

dx

[Salty Wagyu]

 

its int that 90% of those were undefended

and most of those that were

appear to have 'given in' before judgement.

 

very few actual finish judgements.

 

dx

 

What does this mean then? They're real documents and parkingenforcement.co actually take people to court?

[dx100uk]

they might issue a claim form yes

 

but very few actually got to goto court

they capitulated by mutual agreement before the cases.

 

dx

[Salty Wagyu]

I think I will pay then, don't fancy paying those £200+ fines

[dx100uk]

I would certainly like more than my opinion [ignore]

on this if it were me.

 

today has been quite on here

 

dx

[ploddertom]

I would go with what dx100 says. Take the time and read some more threads here. Also consider how much did it cost you to park & if you overstayed by 9 minutes then what additional monies did they lose - £60 or £100 for 9 minutes is a heck of a lot. It isn't a fine after all, if it was the advice would be to pay. Hover your mouse over ignore .

[Homer67]

Why would you pay?If you like paying uneforceable invoices please send me £100 for posting this advice.This is a PPC invoice and it is not a fine, therefore the PPC would have to prove in court their actual losses which is 5 minutes of over stayed time in a car park that costs how much per hour?You need to do some reading on here and either choose to ignore or send them the deny and prove costs letter, then ignore them, which would satisfy the court should it ever go that far (unlikely).

[afcwben]

send me a £100 and tell them I parked there

[peanutsallergy]

send me a £100 and tell them I parked there

 

You could just do it for free.

OP would be sorted, you could ignore the PPC just the same.

[ericsbrother]

They say in their response to you that you were parked without the landlord's permission. This means that you were a trespasser so no contract was formed with them by your trespass and the landowner only may recover damages from you should you have caused any damage (loss) by being there. They cant have it both ways.

[SURFBOY]

They say in their response to you that you were parked without the landlord's permission. This means that you were a trespasser so no contract was formed with them by your trespass and the landowner only may recover damages from you should you have caused any damage (loss) by being there. They cant have it both ways.

 

And if the PPC do have to pay the Landowner £100 because of your trespass then the Landowner has no loss! and is infact £100 in profit.

[ericsbrother]

You show me where any PPC has paid the landowner every penny they have collected above their costs- it has and will never happen. That is why the VCS v others cases are of such importance. One day all of this will go to a higher court for a definitve answer but until then we have to put up with speculative invoicing, harassment and obfuscation.

[DBC]

Just like the parking signs put up by the PPC called ANPR. According to those signs, every time a motorist breaks one of the rules, ANPR are in breach of the contract they have with the landowner, and have to pay the landowner £100. To make up for this "loss" ANPR then claim the money back from the motorist. Except that ANPR offer a 50% discount. So that means the motorist pays ANPR £50, and ANPR have to pay the landowner £100 . Not a very good business model.