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    • Northmonk forget what I said about your Notice to Hirer being the best I have seen . Though it  still may be  it is not good enough to comply with PoFA. Before looking at the NTH, we can look at the original Notice to Keeper. That is not compliant. First the period of parking as sated on their PCN is not actually the period of parking but a misstatement  since it is only the arrival and departure times of your vehicle. The parking period  is exactly that -ie the time youwere actually parked in a parking spot.  If you have to drive around to find a place to park the act of driving means that you couldn't have been parked at the same time. Likewise when you left the parking place and drove to the exit that could not be describes as parking either. So the first fail is  failing to specify the parking period. Section9 [2][a] In S9[2][f] the Act states  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN fails to mention the words in parentheses despite Section 9 [2]starting by saying "The notice must—..." As the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Act,  it follows that the Notice to Hirer cannot be pursued as they couldn't get the NTH compliant. Even if the the NTH was adjudged  as not  being affected by the non compliance of the NTK, the Notice to Hirer is itself not compliant with the Act. Once again the PCN fails to get the parking period correct. That alone is enough to have the claim dismissed as the PCN fails to comply with PoFA. Second S14 [5] states " (5)The notice to Hirer must— (a)inform the hirer that by virtue of this paragraph any unpaid parking charges (being parking charges specified in the notice to keeper) may be recovered from the hirer; ON their NTH , NPE claim "The driver of the above vehicle is liable ........" when the driver is not liable at all, only the hirer is liable. The driver and the hirer may be different people, but with a NTH, only the hirer is liable so to demand the driver pay the charge  fails to comply with PoFA and so the NPE claim must fail. I seem to remember that you have confirmed you received a copy of the original PCN sent to  the Hire company plus copies of the contract you have with the Hire company and the agreement that you are responsible for breaches of the Law etc. If not then you can add those fails too.
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NPE/CIS CCTV? PCN PAPLOC - Lombard Place London E3 5Fa, Not Parked In A Marked Parking Bay


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Hi all, 

Doesn't seem like I am having much luck recently.

I received a PCN from these people for allegedly not parking in a designated bay on 

I was actually dropping a family member off at their home, I reversed into the opening of the area where we sat talking with the engine running, it was one of those situations where I really had to go and my family remember wouldn't stop talking. I was certainly not parked however and was totally unaware of any rules in the area I was waiting because I had reversed in.

Upon return to the site to see what signs were about, I noticed one in the bush covered by bushes and trees, something which I would ever have seen anyway. In the image they sent you can see my brake lights on, so my vehicle was clearly not parked.

I have ignored their offers, now I  have received a letter saying "NOTICE OF INTENTION TO INSTRUCT SOLICITORS".

Is this a letter before county court claim?

What should I do at this stage?

 

The area in question is :
 

WWW.GOOGLE.CO.UK

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

Thank you kindly for all of your help.

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please fill out our sticky 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi DX thank you for your quick reply, sorry to be a pain but could you link me to the correct sticky, im not quite sure which one it would be?? Thank you::: edit found it..!!

 

1 Date of the infringement 20/02/2023

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 27/02/2023
 

3 Date received 05/03/2023
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? NATIONAL PARKING ENFORCEMENT LTD

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Lombard Place, E35FA
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

IAS
 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

 

docs1.pdf

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  • dx100uk changed the title to NPE CCTV? PCN - Lombard Place London E3 5Fa, Not Parked In A Marked Parking Bay

can you get a better scan of the 2 pictures please

is one a windscreen pcn never put on you windscreen or is that a close up of you number plate?...

dont do anything nor appeal

await the letter of claim if one ever comes???? 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I will do, I will have to done this evening, please bear with me and thank you for the response!! :)

The pictures they have sent on that letter are as is, very poor, I cant seem to get a better scan of it, but you can clearly see my brake lights on which means the vehicle was not parked and unattended. I was literally sitting in the vehicle unaware of their hidden signage. 

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other thread is more imp.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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When you said you reversed into Lombard Place you did mean from Hewlett Road didn't you? And how far did you reverse down into Lombard Road? Or were your front wheels on what would the continuation of the kerb along Hewlett road?

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Hi Lookinforinfo,

I drove past Lombard Place and reversed into the spot marked on the image attached,

I genuinely didn't see the sign, it was dark and I hadn't seen anything, I was also not parked, I was in the vehicle dropping a passenger off, to me this is waiting, not parked,

I would put it to them to prove I was parked and that the vehicle was unattended, even in the image they have taken, you can see my brake lights on, indicating im in the car. 

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They have taken a liberty even issuing you with a ticket. You are only halfway into the area so obviously not parked plus I don't think there are any signs in the entrance to Lombard Place indicating that it is a private road. So you wouldn't know of the sign behind you. You  cannot break a contract you knew nothing about and their fault for putting the signage so far down the road.

Don't waste time appealing-total waste of time  arguing with someone that has less brain power  than 10,00 amoeba.

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As your family member presumably lives near this car park, the best thing they can do is get photos of the hidden signage both during the day and at night.

They could come in very handy for later on.

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Thanks Dave, I will do!!

The thing is, I have not noticed their sign at all whatsoever, so how can any contract have been formed, I would need to notice their notice in order to be notified of any terms and conditions so I can consider them prior to entering into any kind of agreement. That's how I see it?

It just seems like people taking advantage of contract law to engage in criminal activity as far as I see it. It's not exactly fair what they are doing here. 

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civil (court) matter ...so unlawful..

not illegal .... thats a criminal (magistrates) court matter.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ref showing at the bottom.

you only have to remove your name address and PCN/ref/reg no... NOT ALL DATES TIMES AND FIGURES!

 

not a letter of claim

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Would it not be possible now to respond to these people saying that they are mistaken and that there is no valid charge against the registered keeper and to kindly note that engaging in conversation with me costs £200 per letter. At this moment in time, as a gesture of good will, this fee has been waived.

However, any further correspondence will incur fee's at the aforementioned rate. I will accept any kind of response to this offer as your explicit consent to undertake this agreement....

Then.. in my mind, they have been notified of my terms and conditions, they are also aware that I do not agree that I owe them any money and that chasing me for it will be a costly affair, especially if they are not 100% sure that they have a valid legal case against me, either way, they will proceed,

I will proceed and the costs will begin stacking, surely there is a way to prove a contractual obligation should they wish to pursue in the same way they are trying to pursue me for some kind of alleged contract?

Or perhaps I am just wrong again??

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same as when you asked all this last time...TWADDLE!!

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just laugh at the letter and ignore it.

Did your family member get the photos of the rubbish signs?

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I've only got another one through the post today for eating at the local harvester... I definately entered my reg number... smh. 

 

Please find attached reuploaded letter minus reference as pointed out by DX.

Also find attached two images of their overgrown unnoticeable sign :) 

OfferToPay (2).pdf LOMBARDPLC.pdf

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still removed unnecessary stuff..

 

Parking Charge Date & Time: ????
Location & Contravention ???

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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