IDS is misleading the public again!!!

[san_d]

Don't blame IDS. He's just a poor puppet doing the dirty work while Camoron goes around and takes the credit for the good things (none actually).

[osdset]

Don't blame IDS. He's just a poor puppet doing the dirty work while Camoron goes around and takes the credit for the good things (none actually).

 

 

Who is the puppet and who is the puppet master? When Cameron asked IDS to move aside from his job as secretary of state, IDS told him to do one, and said he was going nowhere.

It seems to me that IDS is pulling Cameron's strings not the other way around.

[joeski]

what IDS fails to take into account is the reasons people turn to drink and/or drugs..some suffer from severe anxiety, depresion and other related thngs so they turn to drink and drugs. these people need proper help and it could take some of them years before they'll be ready for work, but along comes good old IDS who thinks the problem can be sorted out in 5 mins and if it isn't he'll stop there benefits which won't help the person but instead could cause them to commit suicide.

Edited March 14, 2013 by joeski

[antone]

Joeski, I realise you don't like IDS. Neither do I. I don't think you'll find many people who do like the man- at least, not here on the Benefits Forum.

 

Could you do me a favour, though, and dial back the rhetoric a notch or two? I'm not saying you need to praise IDS and send him roses on his birthday, just, well, bear in mind the libel laws when you post.

[worried33]

I seen similiarities with the NHS as well.

 

The NHS have caught IDS illness and are starting to often blame anxiety, depression, stress for a lot of illnesses.

 

A lady in her 30s first reported problems when the symptons were low, and was told its depression, even tho she said she was only depressed due to the physical symptons, this persisted for 2 years until she started coughing up blood, they finally did a chest xray but was too late, cancer spread all voer her body and she is now dead. Apparently according to the NHS problem was in her head.

[joeski]

Joeski, I realise you don't like IDS. Neither do I. I don't think you'll find many people who do like the man- at least, not here on the Benefits Forum.

 

Could you do me a favour, though, and dial back the rhetoric a notch or two? I'm not saying you need to praise IDS and send him roses on his birthday, just, well, bear in mind the libel laws when you post.

 

whats the libel laws?

[antone]

whats the libel laws?

 

Broadly speaking, don't say things that are defamatory.

 

It's not just libel that's an issue, though - we need to keep the tone of discussion here civilised for the sake of all members. Angry is fine, anger is justified under these appalling circumstances. But the most effective anger is that which is cordial.

[Nystagmite]

I seen similiarities with the NHS as well.

 

The NHS have caught IDS illness and are starting to often blame anxiety, depression, stress for a lot of illnesses.

 

I've noticed this too. I have IBS and have a history of stomach issues going back to when I was a baby. According to my now-ex CPN, all my issues are in my head.

 

I once went to see a GP because I had what felt like a burning sensation in my stomach. She said it was anxiety. I've had this before and the GP (a different one) felt my stomach and prescribed some Gaviscon. The subject of anxiety / mental health was never mentioned.

 

Even if someone's issues are due to depression or anxiety, they should be taken as seriously as someone with the same condition which is caused by physical symptoms.

[speedfreek]

But the most effective anger is that which is cordial.

 

You talking 'vim' or 'vimto' here

 

By heavenly all thats fine n dandy I'm utterly and completely squiffed as a banjaxed leaky wench embalmed in a mint julep

[antone]

You talking 'vim' or 'vimto' here

 

By heavenly all thats fine n dandy I'm utterly and completely squiffed as a banjaxed leaky wench embalmed in a mint julep

 

Walked into that one, didn't I?

[speedfreek]

Walked into that one, didn't I?

 

If you like to gamble, I tell you I'm your man

You win some, lose some, it's - all - the same to me

The pleasure is to play, it makes no difference what you say

I don't share your greed, the only card I need is

The Ace Of Spades

The Ace Of Spades

 

Bit early for you Sir? I'm completely trollied and as playful as a kitten with a ball of string tbf

[RaeUK]

whats the libel laws?

 

I am happy to refer to IDS as Irritable Duncan Smith. Which should be fine.

However, Irritable Drunken Smith would be funnier. But probably not fine.

[postggj]

Attacking someones character is not libel if true, and do not breach any protected characteristics, even though he has none

 

he is a public servant and should expect public scrutiny

[citizenB]

i personally think they are all the same..we'd be better running the country ourselves without them

 

I doubt that very much indeed

 

 

 

Much of it started when the last Conservative pushed unemployed people onto incapacity benefits rather than unemployment benefits to keep their unemployment figures down. This was such a bad thing to do. Unfortunately Labour continued the trend.

 

 

 

Sorry you are wrong - it was the Labour government before Margaret Thatcher came to power, who started to push people onto incapacity benefits to bring down the "unemployed" total.

 

When Tony Blair and his cronies came into power, they inherited one of the healthiest bank balances in history. On top of which GB sold off our gold reserves ensuring there was nothing to fall back on should things go to hell in hand basket. Which we now know it did.

 

Please tell me where they invested all that money ?

[joeski]

the only reason IDS resorts to shouting and raving at people is because as the old saying goes 'empty vessels make the most noise'..i don't think david cameron even likes IDS

 

if IDS started ranting and raving at me i'd just laugh in his face haha

[dyfed]

I doubt that very much indeed

 

 

 

 

Sorry you are wrong - it was the Labour government before Margaret Thatcher came to power, who started to push people onto incapacity benefits to bring down the "unemployed" total.

?

 

I seem to remember maggie thatcher taking people off the dole and onto sickness benefits back in the 80s. I was on a yob scheem or YTS. But that was my father who put me on this whilst waiting to go into the army.

Anyway we could agree and say both partys are to blame

 

I dont vote and dislike all british partys eually. There is no left right paradign. There is no democracy.

But thats another story

[antone]

the only reason IDS resorts to shouting and raving at people is because as the old saying goes 'empty vessels make the most noise'..i don't think david cameron even likes IDS

 

if IDS started ranting and raving at me i'd just laugh in his face haha

 

Mate, I saw his "geologists are useless" ranting interview after he got canned in the O'Reilly court case. And I agree, he was ranting and raving. It doesn't mean we have to, though. We're better than that.

[antone]

Attacking someones character is not libel if true, and do not breach any protected characteristics, even though he has none

 

he is a public servant and should expect public scrutiny

 

Yes, he should expect public scrutiny. But CAG is not wealthy, even if we're right. So let's just be careful out there, 'K?

[joeski]

Yes, he should expect public scrutiny. But CAG is not wealthy, even if we're right. So let's just be careful out there, 'K?

 

i'll be more careful but the way i see it if someone like IDS reacts by ranting and raving at the other person then it means he knows what the other person has said is true..if there was no truth in it it would just go straight over your head.

[antone]

i'll be more careful but the way i see it if someone like IDS reacts by ranting and raving at the other person then it means he knows what the other person has said is true..if there was no truth in it it would just go straight over your head.

 

Oh, I agree. I mean, in the interview I saw he didn't appear to have a clear handle on the argument he was making. But yeah, thanks for being careful. We appreciate it.

[antone]

I am happy to refer to IDS as Irritable Duncan Smith. Which should be fine.

However, Irritable Drunken Smith would be funnier. But probably not fine.

 

This is quite a succinct explanation of the issues

[citizenB]

I seem to remember maggie thatcher taking people off the dole and onto sickness benefits back in the 80s. I was on a yob scheem or YTS. But that was my father who put me on this whilst waiting to go into the army.

Anyway we could agree and say both partys are to blame

 

I dont vote and dislike all british partys eually. There is no left right paradign. There is no democracy.

But thats another story

 

And if everyone thought like you and didnt vote, there would indeed be no democracy !!

[dyfed]

And if everyone thought like you and didnt vote, there would indeed be no democracy !!

 

 

We live in a plutocracy and not a democracy. There is no left right paradign. What ever government is in will always gravitate towards big business, banks and the elite.

Not long ago a city trader on bbc news 24 told it how it is. Goldman Sachs runs the country and not the government.

Everything including foreign policy, wars, regime change is to the benefit of big business. You just got to follow the money.

Those puppets in the theatre of westminster dont run the country Im afraid.

[estellyn]

We live in a plutocracy and not a democracy. There is no left right paradign. What ever government is in will always gravitate towards big business, banks and the elite.

Not long ago a city trader on bbc news 24 told it how it is. Goldman Sachs runs the country and not the government.

Everything including foreign policy, wars, regime change is to the benefit of big business. You just got to follow the money.

Those puppets in the theatre of westminster dont run the country Im afraid.

 

Sad, but true.

[worried33]

We live in a plutocracy and not a democracy. There is no left right paradign. What ever government is in will always gravitate towards big business, banks and the elite.

Not long ago a city trader on bbc news 24 told it how it is. Goldman Sachs runs the country and not the government.

Everything including foreign policy, wars, regime change is to the benefit of big business. You just got to follow the money.

Those puppets in the theatre of westminster dont run the country Im afraid.

 

on top of that the only areas that have any sort of real say are marginal seats. Occasionally is a freak result in safe seats, but eg on elections I dont see high profile ministers here, they dont need to bother the election result is already known.

 

marginal seat areas are also more likely to get government investment. But of course only enough to make things seem better than the previous government.

 

I think its quite clear in recent years that government works for banks and large companies. The only reason we havent had a revolution i because the media has kept the population in check.