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    • Hearing held today in court. I attended in person and Evri had an advocate attend on their behalf to defend their position that my contract is with Packlink and not with them. I also provided a copy of Evri's terms and conditions which explains that a contract is entered into when a parcel is sent with Evri. The judge pointed this out to the Advocate and agreed there is a contract between me and Evri under the Ts and Cs. The judge explained that while Packlink are responsible for organising the delivery of the item, it is Evri who are responsible for handling the goods and delivering them, and therefor Evri has a responsibility to handle the goods with reasonable care and skill. So am pleased to say the judge found in my favour. Hearing lasted about 75mins. Evri has been ordered to make payment within 21 days. Also nice to meet @jk2054 in person.
    • Good morning,    I just wanted to update you on the situation.    I have visits piling up with my current employment and they need doing before I finish at the end of this month.  I am moving to Wiltshire in 3 weeks for a new job helping care homes with their Dementia patients. I tried to work it out and at a guess I will be doing about 20-25,000 miles a year. So need a vehicle that can cope with that mileage, my old car would have done it easy but 🤷‍♂️ I have taken out a loan and got a friend to find me a reliable car that can cope with the miles and hasn't been written off in the past.   I phoned Adrian flux to see if I could use the last months insurance on a new car I have bought, the girl I spoke to phoned Markerstudy and asked them but they said no, my new car doesn't have any modifications.    I had an email from someone who saw one of my appeals for information, they live near the site of the accident and know a nearby farmer who has a security camera at his entrance that catches the traffic and specifically registration plates as he has been robbed before. They said they would reach out for me and see if he still has the data. Unfortunately it wont catch the scene of the crash.   The Police phoned me and said they were closing the report I made, even if they found footage of the vehicle at the time I said the actual incident would be my word vs theirs.  My first response was I am sure google maps would show that they turned around at that location which would verify my version of events, but upon reflection I do understand, I have seen people doing make up with both hands while driving, eating from a bowl steering with their knees and veering all over the place. I am sure some of these people go off the road and claim that someone forced them off.    Markerstudy phoned me yesterday to say that my car is now at Copart, the £80 tank of Vpower diesel was emptied on entry to the site for safety reasons, which I get but it sucks.  It is awaiting being assessed and shouldn't be too long, which is a relief.  I am really glad things do not seem to be going the way of the other stories and they seem to moving quickly.   However I was informed that my car was a structural write off before I bought it - this destroyed me, I was almost sick.  and this is going to affect any offer of money - after hearing the first statement this didn't affect me.   They need to wait for the assessor to check it over but it is highly likely to be written off and the maximum they can offer is £2300.  I was desperate for a car as I was working for an agency at the time, no work no pay, and did not do a vehicle check because I didn't know about them.  The seller did not tell me that it had been structurally written off, he told me that it had the front wing damaged while parked and was repaired at an approved repairer.  Markerstudy records state that it was sold at auction, no record of repair at an approved repairer.  I bought it bank transfer with hand written receipt.    It gets worse.    It turns out my airbags should of gone off. For some reason they are not working. I think we can figure out why.  If I had hit that car head on and had no airbags.    Some good news.    I can arrange a time with Copart to go and take my stereo equipment and any personal items that are left in the car only. I cant live without music and need quality sound, my speakers and amps are Hertz and JLaudio, (no I am not a boy racer with booming subs, I am an audiophile on a budget) I was really worried I wouldn't get them back so this is a huge relief for me. It is stuff I have built up over years of saving and collecting. Everything to do with the vehicle and mods I have declared need to stay to be assessed.   The accident has gone as a fault on my record, I have to remove 2 years NCB which means I still have some to declare which is good.  So it appears at this point that it may be resolved quickly, not in the way I was hoping, but not as bad as I presumed it was going to be based upon that tow truck drivers attitude and behaviour and the horror stories I read.   I am not going to buy the car back and try to make money with all the parts on it, I don't have the time or energy.   I may need an xray on my back and neck.  The whole situation has left me feeling physically sick, drained and I need it done.   The lesson learnt from this  -  My conscience is 100% clear, my attitude to safety and strong sense of personal responsibility - A rated tyres even if on credit card, brake fluid flush every year, regular checks of pads and discs, bushes etc, made avoiding what I believed to be a certain broadside collision possible.   Get a dashcam (searching now for the best I can afford at the moment)  -  Research your insurance company before you buy  -  Pay for total car check before you go and see a car and take someone with you if you are not confident in your ability to assess a vehicle.      Thank you to everyone here who volunteers their time, energy and information, it is greatly appreciated.  You helped my sister with some advice a while ago but we weren't able to follow through, she is struggling with long term health conditions and I ended up in hospital for a while with myocarditis, when I got out and remembered it was too late.  I am going to make a donation now, it is not a lot, I wish I could give more, I will try to come back when things are on a more even keel.    Take care
    • It seems the solicitor has got your case listed for this “appeal” but not for the Stat Dec(SD). You need to ensure you can perform your SD on the day. If you are able to make your SD in court, the situation you are in now is more straightforward than if you made your SD via a solicitor. You have been convicted of two offences (and two were dropped) via proceedings of which you were not aware. The way to remedy that is to perform an SD. No appeal is necessary (nor is it available via the magistrates’ court). If you are able to make your SD this is how I see it panning out: You will make your SD to the court. The court must allow you to make it as it will have been made within 21 days of you discovering your convictions. You will then be asked to enter pleas to the four charges again. At this point you should plead not guilty to all four but make the court aware that you will plead guilty to the speeding charges on the condition that the FtP charges are dropped. The prosecutor will be asked whether or not this is agreed. In my opinion the overwhelming likelihood is that it will be. If it is you will be sentenced for the two speeding offences under the normal guidelines. In the unlikely event it is not accepted,  the speeding charges will be withdrawn (they have no evidence you were driving). You have no viable defence to the FtP charges and so should plead guilty. This will mean 12 points and a “totting up” ban (as you have already suffered). You can present an “Exceptional Hardship” argument to try to avoid this (explained below).   Because of this, I don’t see any need to make an argument to ask to have any ban suspended (pending an appeal to the Crown Court) unless and until you are banned again. The only reason I can think the solicitor suggested this is to secure a (Magistrates')  court date. I was surprised when you said you had an appointment so quickly; a date for an SD usually takes longer than that. However, if you can use it to your advantage, all well and good. I can’t comment on the argument that the two speeding offences were committed “on the same occasion” as I don’t have the details. That phrase is not defined anywhere and is a matter for the court to decide. It’s an interesting thought (and only that) that such an argument could equally be made for the two FtP offences. If the requests for driver’s details arrived at your old address at the same time, with the same deadline for reply, it could be argued that you failed to respond to hem both “on the same occasion” (i.e when the 28 days to respond expired) and so should only receive penalty points for one. Hopefully you won’t need to go there. I think you have information about avoiding a “totting up” ban. But here’s the magistrates’ latest guidance on "Exceptional Hardship" (EH) which they refer to: When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following: It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn. Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence; Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive. If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account. Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable; Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others. I must say, I still do not understand what the solicitor means by “As a safeguard we have lodged the appeal and applied to suspend your ban pending appeal due to the time limit for being able to automatically appeal without getting leave of the Judge.” When they speak of “leave of the judge” I assume they mean they have lodged an appeal with the Crown Court. I don’t know what for or why they would do this. It seems to follow on from their explanation of the “totting up” ban. If so, I’m surprised that the Crown Court has accepted an appeal against something that has not yet happened. But as I said, i is no clear to me. Only you can decide whether to employ your solicitor to represent you in court. If it was me I would not because there is nothing he can say that you cannot say yourself. However, I am fairly knowledgeable of the process and confident I can deal with it. That said, I do have a feeling that the solicitor is somewhat “over egging the pudding” by introducing such things as appeals to the Crown Court which, in all honesty, you can deal with if they are required. I can only say that the process you will attempt to employ is by no means unusual and all court users will be familiar with it. I can also say that I have only ever heard of one instance where it was refused. In summary, it is my view that it is very unlikely that your offer to do the deal will be refused. If it is accepted, you may be able to persuade he court that the two speeding offences occurred "on the same occasion" and so should only receive one lot of points. Let me know the details (timings, places, etc) and I'll give you my opinion. Just in case your offer is refused, you should have your EH argument ready. Whether it's worth paying what will amount to many hundreds of pounds to pay someone to see this through is your call.  Let me know if I can help further.    
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Hi everyone; I'd like some advice regarding a council tax debt that is being pursued by Rossendales.

 

 

I moved to England to live with my girlfriend as she was studying down there, lasted all of about 7 months.

 

This was about February of 2012. (edit.) I moved out of our flat in February and back to Glasgow where I've been since.

 

A month or so ago I had a letter from Rossendales hit my door step saying I have a debt to the council!

I spoke to the council and Rossendales informing them I had no court summons or any information about the alleged debt.

 

I was told that they only have to send the summons to the last known address (even though it was Lincoln city council who tracked me down over a year later!) I asked if they could track me down AFTER the court case, what stopped them doing it before? No answer, repeated themselves saying they were only obliged to send to old address (not much use to me).

 

I'm a student, unemployed and living off of approx £50 a week (less than JSA).

 

I was wondering if a English court order could be actioned in Scotland?

What upse

The total amount is a little over £160.

 

I've asked Rossendales to allow me to set up a plan of £3 a week, they declined so I told them I wouldn't deal with them and I'd pay to the council the £3 a week via their online payment, spoke to council who wouldn't do anything because "the debt is with Rossendales now" BS.

A little of something is better than a lot of nothing, right?

 

I also live in a shared house with some family, there is a car parked on the grass of our small front garden, it's broken down. This car is owned by a family member and doesn't belong to me!

It has outstanding finance on it, regards to proving beyond all reasonable doubt, does the bailiff have to call DVLA to find ownership?

 

Oh, they've sent me a letter today saying it has been assigned to an "enforcement officer".

What upsets me more is that they try to make this cowboy bailiff sound high and mighty.

If we want to do that; I am known as an education enforcement officer.

 

Anyway, any advice you have would be great.

 

Thanks.

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Sorry I can't answer the enforcement in scotland question but this might help.

 

The DVLA can tell them if a Mr. Bloggs is the registered keeper of a vehicle reg no ABC 123 ... All the DVLA can give is a yes/no answer to that question.... but they cannot tell them the actual name they hold as the registered keeper of that vehicle Easiest route to save a lot of hassle is for the third party owner to make a claim to ownership and provide the proof to back it up to Rottendales.

 

Write to the Council and tell them their agent is refusing to accept payments that can be seen affordable to you in your present circumstances and tell them you will be making those payments direct to them at £3.00 payable every Monday to satisfy the debt to them., make sure you do not default with the weekly payments and you will find there is little to nothing the Council can do thereafter.

 

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The DVLA can tell them if a Mr. Bloggs is the registered keeper of a vehicle reg no ABC 123 ... All the DVLA can give is a yes/no answer to that question.... but they cannot tell them the actual name they hold as the registered keeper of that vehicle Easiest route to save a lot of hassle is for the third party owner to make a claim to ownership and provide the proof to back it up to Rottendales.

 

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Thanks for the reply; will look it up now!

 

As for the DVLA side of things, surely if the bailiff asks the DVLA if it belongs to me (gives them my names) and they say no that would be enough evidence to prove I wasn't the registered keeper of the car?

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Thanks for the reply; will look it up now!

 

As for the DVLA side of things, surely if the bailiff asks the DVLA if it belongs to me (gives them my names) and they say no that would be enough evidence to prove I wasn't the registered keeper of the car?

 

You would be right to think that...sadly Rottendales just do not know how to think logically, from what we read here on cag it would appear most of their bailiffs are uneducated to even the basics of enforcement, when things go wrong and they are in a tight corner of exposure their boss Mrs Green Jones just labels each of them as a 'single bad apple' ...even she 'can't do the maths' ???

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You would be right to think that...sadly Rottendales just do not know how to think logically, from what we read here on cag it would appear most of their bailiffs are uneducated to even the basics of enforcement, when things go wrong and they are in a tight corner of exposure their boss Mrs Green Jones just labels each of them as a 'single bad apple' ...even she 'can't do the maths' ???

 

Thanks for the advice; as for the weekly payments I have no intention to stop paying and even less intention than that to pay a dime to Rossendales.

They can spend as much money as they want chasing me; I'm paying the debt.

 

To a certain degree, I'd like a bailiff to show up on my doorstep; I've heard lots about them and I'd love to see them try and intimidate me and/or my cousin.

I'll record all encounters with my camera (just so they have no way to back down from an inevitable mistake) and I'll print out the automated receipts I get from counci's online payment service, not that Rossendales care I'm paying it to the council but it's worth showing for proof to the camera.

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Hi,

 

Bailiffs cannot visit you in Scotland, they would have to apply to the court to get the court summons changed into a summary judegment then they can instruct sheriff officers to collect it.

I would not call them again and make sure you keep everything in wiriting.

I'd also go along with wonkeydonkey's advice regarding paying the Council direct.

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Hi,

 

Bailiffs cannot visit you in Scotland, they would have to apply to the court to get the court summons changed into a summary judegment then they can instruct sheriff officers to collect it.

I would not call them again and make sure you keep everything in wiriting.

I'd also go along with wonkeydonkey's advice regarding paying the Council direct.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

And I'm guessing by what others have said about Rossendales that they haven't taken the initiative and got the summary judgement?

Also, is there much difference in a summary judgement and court summons?

 

The hearing has taken place apparently (even though it was "heard" at a bulk court centre) so technically NO ONE gets a hearing, they're just judgements issued.

As for my first encounter with their bailiffs, do I ask for a copy of the warrant and a copy of the sheriffs court's summary judgement too?

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As for my first encounter with their bailiffs, do I ask for a copy of the warrant and a copy of the sheriffs court's summary judgement too?

 

I would very much doubt you'll have any visit from a bailiff, they will have to apply to your Local Sheriff Court before taking any further action.

 

I'm not sure what procedure the Sheriff Officers would have to go through as the 'case' has already been decided in England.

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I would very much doubt you'll have any visit from a bailiff, they will have to apply to your Local Sheriff Court before taking any further action.

 

I'm not sure what procedure the Sheriff Officers would have to go through as the 'case' has already been decided in England.

I don't trust Rossendales to know the law or the procedures attaining to it.

 

I havea strong suspicion that they will visit me on the off chance I bend and pay them.

If this is the case, I should ask for the original order along with the sheriffs summary, right?

 

I've read that if a bailiff clamps a car without first levying it or ascertaining if it is owned by the debtor then the legal owner of the car can legally remove the clamp by cutting the chain?

 

Just want to make sure I'm covered before his visit, if he doesn't call a little bit of education won't hurt!

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Rossendales won't & can't visit you as the Certificate the Bailiff holds is only valid in England or Wales. Maroondevo52 has explained the situation in Scotland, personally I think it will go back to the Council and if you tick along at £3 per week then it would be difficult for the Council to do much more.

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to confirm as above

 

Bailiffs can't and won't visit you up here.

 

They would need to apply to the high court to have the LO transferred into a summary warrant up here and then would need to employ sheriff officers to enforce the summary warrant.

 

As you are willing to make payment, I am assuming the monies they are claiming are due and correct?

 

 

And if so then make the payments online direct to the council.

 

IF they were to transfer to the scottish court system - if you have been making payment theres not much a court would do about it.

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I am quite surprised that Rossendales didnt know this, or they do and hoped you didnt.

 

As you are on benefits you are potentially vulnerable so it would need to be handed back to the council anyway.

 

Hopefully they will read this and hand it back any way knowing that it may end up costing them more to pursue it.

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I am quite surprised that Rossendales didnt know this, or they do and hoped you didnt.

 

As you are on benefits you are potentially vulnerable so it would need to be handed back to the council anyway.

 

Hopefully they will read this and hand it back any way knowing that it may end up costing them more to pursue it.

 

Thanks for the replies.

 

I kind of hope he turns up; I'd like to ask him if he has any permission to be at my door.

 

I'm not on benefits per se; I was on a full time care order until 2010 and as I'm studying in full time education the local government who issued my care order are obliged to pay my rent and £50ish a week for my general needs.

This isn't technically classed as a state benefit - it's more of an allowance to young people leaving care.

I only started receiving this in October last year.

 

Trying to explain to Rossendales that I simply do not have the money is like breaking teeth.

They can demand all they want but when I simply do not have it, they're going to have a hard time getting it.

 

As for removal of goods; I own very little and if some meat headed, uneducated A-level skipping **** comes to my door and asks for entry he'll get an option of retorts.

If he plays up and starts shouting; I've got nothing to be ashamed of, I'm happy to send him on his way - all on video of course!

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I think if they are stupid enough to go to Scotland to pester you, you could call the police as they will be fraudulently misrepresenting their powers under Scottish law, their certificates being merely toilet paper north of the border. can't see a Glaswegian copper having any truck with their excuses as he feels their collars.

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Thanks for the replies.

 

 

As for removal of goods; I own very little and if some meat headed, uneducated A-level skipping **** comes to my door and asks for entry he'll get an option of retorts.

If he plays up and starts shouting; I've got nothing to be ashamed of, I'm happy to send him on his way - all on video of course!

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