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Yes, you can still continue to request the documents. Although it looks like they arent going to comply :lol:

 

Erm.. which one is form N9.. are you not filing online ?

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You need to go online and using your password it will bring up "your file/Claim" All you need to do is follow the instructions and enter in the defence in the section provided. I am not sure what you mean by scanning in the defence letter ?

 

You wont be able to attach any documents to the defence.

 

If you are having problems using the online facility then you will need to telephone the court and ask them if you can send it by email and then follow through with a hard copy.

 

However, I dont see there should be any problems doing it online.

 

If you think you are going to have problems. Then phone the court prior to going online and ask them to talk you through it.

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Hello hope everyones enjoying the holidays,

 

I filed my defence on thursday 5th april but received a letter from DLC on saturday 7th april saying "we acknowledge and consent to your request for an extension of time of 28 days to file your fully particularised defence"

 

Do I need to notify the court? or do I just stick to the embarrassed defence i have submitted?

 

any ideas guys will be much appreciated

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Hmm, that sounds about right.. what a nuisance. I will flag the question for the site team..

 

As far as I am aware, your defence now stands.

 

So you filed on Thursday.. what was the date of DLC's letter ? and the posting date if there is one.

 

The reason I ask is that they would have had instant access to your defence.. and as you had mentioned that they had not responded to your CPR15.5 request.. it might just have prompted them to do a little bit of sneaky.. !!

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Hi CB thanks for your reply, the letter was dated on 5th april and post date is the same, they knew i had to file by Monday the 9th which is a bank holiday so i had to file on thursday 5th.

 

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Hi CB thanks for your reply, the letter was dated on 5th april and post date is the same, they knew i had to file by Monday the 9th which is a bank holiday so i had to file on thursday 5th.

 

thanks

 

I am a practicing cynic.. it looks to me as though they saw your defence had been entered and posted a letter out immediately.

 

You should keep the letter and the envelope for your file and quite possibly to use as part of your defence later on.

 

I have flagged your thread for site team and will also send out an S.O.S.. but it is likely that there will not be a response that swiftly due to the Easter holiday.

 

IMHO, your embarrassed defence should remain.

 

The company now has 28 days to advise whether they want to move forward.. having sent you the extension letter albeit it too late then they should now be getting their act together and providing the information you require.

 

Again, IMHO, it wont hurt for you to write to the solicitor. Confirm that their response arrived too late for it to be of any value . That because of the delay, you were forced to enter an embarrassed/holding defence. That you hope they will now respond to your CPR requests with all due speed.

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Hi CB thank you very much for replying, and yes CB you certainly are an expert in understanding DCA's motives. which is very helpful for newbies like us.

 

Im not very good at writing letters but ill try and send something along the lines you stated.

 

thank you once again CB.

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The OP is entitled to a copy of the T&Cs of the agreement and a full statement of account under s77 of the CCA 1974. OP could use an embarrassed defence on the grounds that these have not been received. The creditor is not required to send copies of DNs, NoA, etc - it will be assumed that these were sent at the proper time

 

What information are you actually waiting for ?

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Your letter should follow something along the lines of...

 

Dear Sir or Madam

 

Court Claim references

 

I have received your letter dated 5th April 2012 agreeing to an extension of time in the above claim.

 

Unfortunately, it was received too late for it to have been of any value. My defence was due on DATE and because of the Bank Holiday, I submitted on DATE.

 

Sequence of events to date so far have been advised to the court in my defence.

 

On DATE I received your claim.

 

On DATE I sent CPR 31.14 request.

 

Having realised that I had sent the CPR request to the Claimant direct , I sent a further copy to the solicitor as required.

 

On DATE - DLC advised that they were waiting this information from their client and that they "would put the account on hold". As a claim has been issued and is now bound by the timing set by the court, it was not apparent how you could simply advise that you would halt proceedings.

 

In respect of this, on DATE I requested via CPR15.5 an extension of time in order that you might then be able to provide the information on which your claimant's claim is based, to me. Time was moving on and I had not heard from you so I telephoned your office ony to be told the File Handler was unavailable.

 

This left me with no option other than to submit a holding defence in order that a default judgment be avoided.

 

I am requesting again, that you comply with my CPR31.14 request and provide within good time, the documents I have requested and which your claimant is basing their claim, which are :_

 

List documents requested.

Then simply sign off over a grid of

 

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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BTW, you cannot ask for statements I think.. it will need to be a statement of account showing how the amount claimed has been accrued.

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thank you very much CB. i will send it off today, and about the statements this is what i wrote.

 

Statements, to substantiate that the amount is correct.

 

Aahh.. just realised on my last letter to the solicitor I signed it with my normal signature no grids, not sure how much of a problem that will cause..

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Hi Guys hope all is well, I thank you all for your helpespecially CitizenB for advising me. Ijust wanted to keep you updated on this.

1. on 07/03/12 received claim

2. on 19/03/12 acknowledged claim

3. on 19/03/12 sent CPR 31.14 to Hillesden (claimant) inerror

4. on 26/03/12 sent CPR 31.14 to Solicitors (aplins)

5. on 27/03/12 received CPR reply from DLC acknowledging receipt and awaiting copy documentation from OC and the account willremain on hold, But no extension of time mentioned.

6. on 30/03/12 sent letter tosolicitor stating in respect of CPR 31.14 request was sent to claimant inerror, and requesting extension of time again.

7. on 05/04/12 submittedembarrassed defence.

8. on 07/04/12 received letter fromDLC stating they have received copy of my letter dated 30/03/12, and consent tothe request for extension of time for 28 days.

9. on 11/04/12 sent letter to solicitors, in reply to theextension letter dated 07/04/12 advising defence has already been submitted andreminding again to reply to my CPR 31.14 request and provide me with thedocuments.

10. on 12/04/12 received letterfrom Northampton CC dated 05/04/12, acknowledging receipt, and stating that acopy has been served on the claimant, the claimant may contact you direct toattempt to resolve any disputes. If thedispute cannot be resolved informally, the claimant will inform the court thathe wishes to proceed. The court willthen inform you of what will happen.

Where he wishes to proceed, theclaimant must contact the court within 28 days after receiving a copy of yourdefence. After that period has elapsed,the claim will be stayed. The onlyaction the claimant can then take will be to apply to a judge for an orderlifting the stay.

What I would like to know is how doI find out on what date the 28 days is over, and do I need to do anything elseas I have not received any of the documents yet, or should I just wait for the courts letter?

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Right.. what was the date you were originally due to submit your defence ? + 28 days... give it a couple more and then telephone Northampton and ask what the status of the claim is. Or you might still be able to access your file online and it should tell you the status there.

 

Although.. In view of the extension.. you might have to add that time on top as well.

 

HTH

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Hi battle, no news yet nothing from the DCA or from Northampton I guess it must be stayed by now untill they come up with some documents, Im not sure what the time limit is on that. also I didnt get the time to phone the courts as I was away but Ill call them this week, Im not sure what else I can do

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All you can do is to phone Northampton and find out the status of the claim - they will advise if it is stayed or not.

 

It can stay that way until either of you decide you want to lift the stay and proceed - after the 28 days, it has to be done on application N244 (I think - you will need to check that ) and it will cost approximately £45.00 without a hearing and £80.00 with.

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Hi battle, no news yet nothing from the DCA or from Northampton I guess it must be stayed by now untill they come up with some documents, Im not sure what the time limit is on that. also I didnt get the time to phone the courts as I was away but Ill call them this week, Im not sure what else I can do

 

ok, thanks for the update.

CB, so if a claim is stayed it's just in limbo? Would you get notified by the court if it ever proceeded or would you have to keep calling each day?

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Hi Battlescars

 

There is no notification of a stayed claim (the AQ is just not released) If the Claimant leaves it past 28 days and its stayed they then have to make application to lift the stay ( most are on Notice some not ) so you need to check with the court not only is it stayed but have there been any applications, occasionally.The longer it is left stayed the more you should consider lifting the stay and possibly striking out.

 

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