Pseudo bailiffs, wannabes and downright liars on this forum

[spamheed]

I create this thread rather than have the threads of already potentially stressed individuals being polluted by the meanderings of one or two confused individuals who seem intent on ensuring that no constructive advice should be offered.

 

Without wishing to further confuse yet another new poster with arguments about what is and isn't allowed, or what is and isn't lawful when a bailiff applies their charges for a £5million asset. I would respectfully request clarification from the "alleged" bailiffs who "contribute" to so many threads on this forum, but really add very little by way of assistance to any of the Original Posters on here, why do you post on here at all? .

 

None of you have offered up any defence at all to the repeated questions regarding bailiffs applying unlawful charges to a persons account, nor do you offer any constructive first hand advice to those who have suffered at the hands of such bailiffs, so why do you bother posting at all?

[RaeUK]

I'm a relative newbie here so acknowledge I speak from a platform of ignorance.

Personally, I have no problems with bailiffs and others working in that industry posting advice here. It is just as important to see how the land lies from the other side of the fence. And those who read my posts will appreciate it's not an industry I'm in love with.

But there needs to be constraints. This is - at times - a very raw forum dealing with people in highly emotional states of mind. Many are completely stressed - a situation recently confirmed to cause heart attacks - and care, compassion and understanding are needed.

They need to be aware that, at best, they will only ever be tolerated. On here, they need to turn the other cheek. They will be argued against and, unfortunately, insulted. They have to rise above that and not resort to a tit for tat dumbing down of the forum.

There will always be differing interpretations of law and their view is interesting. I did suggest in another thread - and it was a serious suggestion - that these debates are taken elsewhere so as not to confuddle the OP. It's not rocket science. If we have a thread called 'Bob the Bailiff kidnapped my car' then you take any heated argument to a supporting thread called 'Bob the Bailiff kidnapped my car : legal discussion'. We all know where we are. And that applies to when we argue amongst ourselves!

Whichever side devalues a thread by introducing petty prejudice the only one to suffer is the Original Poster.

Let's think of them...

Rae.

 

[A bailiff can, of course, gain brownie points here quite simply. All they need do is provide five links to five seperate youtube videos. These will show the bailiff, their identification, a pile of copies of the National Standards for Enforcement Agents in their vehicle, footage of approaching the fromt door and saying ' Hi, so sorry to bother you, I'm xyz of xyz. Before we discuss matters further, please may I hand you a copy of the National Standards? Have a read through whilst I wait in my car'...

Edited January 18, 2010 by RaeUK
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[tomtubby]

When I first starting posting on CAG we were very fortunate indeed to have an owner of a bailiff company posting and he provided excellent advice and if there were case law to support what a bailiff was doing or charging he did provide it and he also provided detailed answers to enquiries. HOWEVER, a couple of individuals were highly critical of his intentions and arguments broke out on the forum and he left. The same has happened many times since then .

 

Personally, from a professional point of view ( providing advice to the public on bailiff matters ) I welcome input from bailiffs/high court enforcers but can wholeheartedly understand why there are critics.

 

What I can say is that if you look at other less popular forums where bailiffs post.... the comments that they make are normally along the lines of: "serves you right for not paying your debt" etc.

 

On CAG we do not have ( and neither do we want) comments like that.

[spamheed]

I accept that someone who visits the site to advise from the other side of the fence as it were, could be seen as a valuable asset. Assisting Caggers by offering an informative if not fully unbiased view from the creditors point of view

 

However, on here all we seem to get is "Those fees seem fine and lawful to me" even when they most patently aren't and can be proven to be wrong and then the other one simply pipes up in support of the others posts like a nodding dog.

 

Neither one of them seems able or is unwilling to offer forth any constructive assistance to anyone, except on one thread where the OP wanted assistance in enforcing a CCJ, then the advice ran free and thorough (strange that)

[seanamarts]

Im just wondering if they are the same person, I actually wouldnt put it past them or even that they know each other...

[jimbo45]

Hi there

There appears to be an "Enforcer" who just seems to offer advice such as "go Insolvent" or other helpful comments like that.

 

I think most caggers are quite aware when "said advice" can be treated with the contempt it justly and duly deserves".

 

Many Many people - me included have been helped by these Forums.

 

We all get INTO debt -- getting OUT of it isn't so easy.

 

If we were all perfect we wouldn't have any need for "The Law", "Enforcement procedures" or any alternative codes such as "Religion" etc etc.

 

But we are Human, Circumstances change etc etc.

 

WHAT CANNOT BE TOLERATED IS PEOPLE EXPLOITING OUR PROBLEMS UNDER THE GUISE OF "LAWFUL COLLECTION" OR COURT "ENFORCEMENT".

 

These problems are EXACTLY what CAG Forums are great in solving and the vast majority get very useful and sensible advice.

 

If any B/S is posted the poster is soon ripped apart by knowledgeable caggers.

 

Long may this site continue.

 

Cheers

jimbo

[tomtubby]

I accept that someone who visits the site to advise from the other side of the fence as it were, could be seen as a valuable asset. Assisting Caggers by offering an informative if not fully unbiased view from the creditors point of view

 

However, on here all we seem to get is "Those fees seem fine and lawful to me" even when they most patently aren't and can be proven to be wrong and then the other one simply pipes up in support of the others posts like a nodding dog.

 

Bailiffs will always support each other. On the matter of fees, I suspect that the reason why neither of them provide a definitive answer is possibly because THEY DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER !!

 

Neither one of them seems able or is unwilling to offer forth any constructive assistance to anyone, except on one thread where the OP wanted assistance in enforcing a CCJ, then the advice ran free and thorough (strange that)

 

Many High Court Enforcement Officers have never worked as private bailiffs and it could possible be that they have therefore never enforced an unpaid PCN. In addition, a bailiff or HCE would NEVER offer critical comments on the fees being charged by their profession.

[spamheed]

Many High Court Enforcement Officers have never worked as private bailiffs and it could possible be that they have therefore never enforced an unpaid PCN. In addition, a bailiff or HCE would NEVER offer critical comments on the fees being charged by their profession.

 

 

It would seem to reinforce the belief held by many that this industry has a charging system based on sliding scale of "make it up as you go along governed by the "see what we can get away with" system.

[letsmakeamark]

It would seem to reinforce the belief held by many that this industry has a charging system based on sliding scale of "make it up as you go along governed by the "see what we can get away with" system.

 

I agree. Its not a fixed scale but one you make up as you go.

[hazza]

this forum is for consumers to take action - in groups! consumers being the key word the use of this forum for litigation purposes by bailiff's under cloak is wholly unethical - and will be changed. People come here for legal advice. Some legal advice is protected by law. This legal advice needs protection too.

[hardworking_harddoneby]

this forum is for consumers to take action - in groups! consumers being the key word the use of this forum for litigation purposes by bailiff's under cloak is wholly unethical - and will be changed. People come here for legal advice. Some legal advice is protected by law. This legal advice needs protection too.

 

Oh I agree!

I am not worried by what I have posted on here if I were to be identified by bailiffs, its all true and some of my posts i have re-read since are sad enough to only hint at the stress the **** have put us through.. I can honestly say that we want to sort our lives out and pay our debts. I don't want to be penniless AND living in fear AND have my goods taken, it's all really unfair... When I'm not in such dire trouble, money, housing, employment etc I will use my first day off to protest at County Hall, maybe orchestrate a "flash dance" via facebook or something to bring everyones attention to CAG and the mean system the government allows these thugs to operate under. Power to the CAG people!

 

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[hazza]

to receive legal papers from a bailiff that include 30-40 pages of information directly from CAG is.... plain silly... The MOJ needs to take this up - either by providing a system that people can use to talk justice freely, or by providing MOJ moderators on forums to point out (or even remove) posts from people that may pervert the cause of justice. *** Baliff's logging on and perverting forum posts are actually perverting the cause of justice *** Think about it - it was fun why it lasted eh? CAB is key to this!

[caledfwlch]

The Bailiff's misrepresenting the legal position and causing trouble on these boards are not as anonymous as they might hope.

 

The ACS thread shows how easy it is to get a name and address should one require legal action

[tomtubby]

to receive legal papers from a bailiff that include 30-40 pages of information directly from CAG is.... plain silly... The MOJ needs to take this up - either by providing a system that people can use to talk justice freely, or by providing MOJ moderators on forums to point out (or even remove) posts from people that may pervert the cause of justice. *** Baliff's logging on and perverting forum posts are actually perverting the cause of justice *** Think about it - it was fun why it lasted eh? CAB is key to this!

 

On the matter of the 30-40 pages of info regarding posts on the forum...had this come from the bailiff or from a solicitor representing the company?

 

If from a solicitor....I wondered how much would have been charged to the bailiff company.

[RaeUK]

...maybe orchestrate a "flash dance" via facebook or something to bring everyones attention to CAG...

 

I like that a lot!

Rae.

[hazza]

£15,000+ i believe!

[ohitsonlyme]

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST!!!

 

Where have all the bailiffs gone?? no replys here!!!

 

None will reply to this post as they know that they are up against serious caggers

 

They prey on new posters that are defenceless and vulnerable

so that they can spread misery and false information to get the weaker ones to cough up

 

Personally I now ignore the obvious hce,s and bailiffs and suggest we all do as otherwise the OP gets lost in our petty arguments

 

onlyme and many many more

[seanamarts]

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST!!!

 

Where have all the bailiffs gone?? no replys here!!!

 

Defeated perhaps??

[spamheed]

I don't think anyone expected anything else. Their position within society is completely untenable, in what other area of society is an individual allowed to threaten, assault and steal with relative impunity?

 

There is no justification for what Bailiffs do as they barge and bark their way through their daily chore and the holier than thou approach that certain "Bailiffs" take on this forum is completely preposterous.

 

Their industry is rife with corruption and according to those who do post on this forum, we apparently have the only bailiffs in the country who don't charge outrageous fees, or attempt to rip off the unwary and vulnerable, and no doubt they neither bark nor bit either.

 

No I don't think so neither

Edited January 21, 2010 by spamheed

[seanamarts]

I don't think anyone expected anything else. Their position within society is completely untenable, in what other area of society is an individual allowed to threaten, assault and steal with relative impunity?

 

There is no justification for what Bailiffs do as they barge and bark their way through their daily chore and the holier than thou approach that certain "Bailiffs" take on this forum is completely preposterous.

 

Their industry is rife with corruption and according to those who do post on this forum, yet according to thier pontificating we apparently have the only bailiffs in the country who don't charge outrageous fees, or attempt to rip off the unwary and vulnerable, and no doubt they neither bark nor bit either.

 

No I don't think so neither

I was lookinh on a training 'bailiffs' website and they dont hide the fact that they teach 'tricks of the trade' to get results... makes me angry that they are so blatent about it as if NOTHING can touch them... the laws NEED to be changed and fast before more are hurt or seriously hurt or even worse wind up dead, to both parties, seems a little far fetched I know but these are now becoming desperate times with very desperate people being hounded and bullied.

[danboy381]

Copied from my previous post but its suits this thread better:-

 

Op asks for help in sorting out a car issue, and 2 apparant bailiffs are viewing ready to offer advice. Should be easy then. but no. If I was them, it would be a fairly long definitive concise answer, in fact I would be able to end the thread. But no, because the truth is, neither High school or Twonames can really give the definitive answers required because they don't really know, (by their own admission)

 

Here we have High school, searching this forum day and night for tips, hints and legal advice on how to carry out his day to day job, but in truth, he hasn't pis*ed off enough people during the day so he has to find an additional vent.

 

..hoping that his gravy train career isn't about to come to an abrupt halt when the MOJ change the rules, hoping that some case against a bailiff isn't about to set a precedent, and clinging on to what he thinks is right or wrong but is unsure and lacks confidence, but in essence, as we all know, most of what he does is loosely made up on the day, to fit. Exactly the reason SHERBROOK visits here. (aka Clare Sandbrook, ceo of sherforce)

 

High school. I still ask what the hell are you doing on here?

 

You must have a sick, twisted perversion to 'advise' those you unlawfully prey on. How freakin weird.. Akin to the guilty man 'assisting' the authorities in their enquiries before he himself is arrested and found guilty of the crime.

[seanamarts]

I just had a thought.. bailiffs and HCE's make comments like 'you should of paid your debts etc or we wouldnt have to attend, well yes lets all pay our debts then what would they do for money??? because they would certainly be without a job!!

[MARTIN3030]

Many of the comments on this thread are not far off the mark

Mention has been made of Bailiffs and trolls who jump on newbies threads

Lets not forget about some of the threads in question and lets not be assuming that newbies or indeed any posters here are all genuine caggers.

Just remember that !!

[danboy381]

Correct, it is disgusting, but then you have probably not been threatened that your business will be ruined, and then mugged for thousands of ££'s by bailiffs infront of a crowd of Police officers, for a debt you had nothing to do with?

 

When you have been on the receiving end of that feel free to share your experiences.

 

I have however, had dealings with ****** filth who have no comprehension of their actions, total disregard for the law, no guilt, interest, pride, logical or legal thought etc etc etc blah blah blah, so, therefore yes i.m.o it is called for. and rather than pulling out the politicaly correct red card, you should realise that I was actually refering to the story that the aforementioned killer had total disregard for the fact he had done wrong, he 'helped' the Police, in interview he came across very well and convinced people (for a while) he was innocent, thought he could get away with it, but in the end didn't and got locked up.

 

Exactly what should happen to bailiffs who steal. Either that or they should be executed in the back of the head. This is because they are not dissimilar to bent Police officers. Harsh action but very effective.

 

Post Edited by mods I'm afraid because it offended someone (probably a bailiff)

Edited January 21, 2010 by danboy381

[fluffy_bunny]

Shame on you and the moderators not removing that comment.

 

Am I really the only person to find that offensive !!!