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    • Morning guys As Bank suggested, I've now re-worked my POC to include details of my parcel's original loss,  miraculous rediscovery a month later and subsequent delivery, albeit having been opened and the contents removed. Grateful for your thoughts please, as (P2G having gone very quiet) I intend to initiate court proceedings against P2G tomorrow - 1 May. Claim Claim number: xxxxx Reference: P2G MAY 2024   Claimant xxxxx   Defendant Parcel2Go 1A Parklands Lostock Bolton BL6 4SD  Particulars of Claim The defendant failed to arrange for the safe delivery of the claimant's parcel containing 8 second-hand golf clubs (valued at £265) that was sent to a UK address using their delivery service (P2G Reference xxxxx). The defendant contracted Evri to deliver the parcel (Evri Reference xxxxx) and whilst Evri collected the parcel for delivery on 18 March 24 they then ‘misplaced’ it a day later, formally declaring it lost on 27 March. On 16 April they found it and delivered it on 17 April but, at some point before delivery, it had been opened and the contents removed . The defendant refuses to reimburse the claimant on the grounds that the claimant did not purchase their secondary insurance contract. The defendant seeks to exclude their liability in breach of section 57 Consumer Rights Act. The secondary insurance contract is also in breach of section 72. The claimant seeks reimbursement of £265, plus P2G fees of £9.10, plus postage costs for two first class letters to P2G of £2.70, plus court fees, plus interest. The claimant claims interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from xxxxx to xxxxxx on £276.80 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £xxxx   Details of claim Amount claimed £276.80  
    • Odd one this, I recieved 2 notice's for the 18th and 19th April stating that I overstayed on Wigan Robin Retail Park. Permitted Minutes 180. They state I was there 355 minutes on the 18th and 388 minutes on the 19th. Both times I was there around 10 minutes getting my wife a brew from costa after dropping the kids off at school.  On both days I had passed through there a second time around 3pm, again to get a brew then left. Both notices have 2 images each, Entrance and exit.  This is the interesting bit. The Entrance images both timestamped actually clearly show I am exiting the retail park not entering it. And the exiting images they provided show me leaving the carpark after visiting a second time later in the day. In the attachments You'll see all 4 images show that I am exiting, none of them are of me entering. I understand most if not all that see this post won't know the area but if the look at the map link i gave you'll see the road I was on leading up to the main road. g24 ltd 1.pdfg24 ltd 1.pdf GoogleMap view of the road I am on in the entrance images I would have had dashcam footage but I since formatted the memory card. I tried recovery tools but I couldn't get the files back.  
    • An update: I just got another PCN. I get the feeling that someone in the residence is calling OPS, as it's dated for a few mins after I parked. I won't appeal of course. Interestingly, our cleaner was also parked but didn't get a PCN. I asked them why and apparently they're whitelisted. I did ask the MA if they could whitelist me and they said they couldn't. Clearly they decided not to tell the truth. Surely, this would resolve all of the issues entirely i.e. we'd keep non-residents from parking, whilst allowing for residents to park without issue? Also, could OPS now take me to court for both PCNs separately, or could it be one case?    
    • I was with sse broadband until Jun 2023 at which point without notifying me they passed me to origin broadband who I was unaware is my supplier now -  My broadband at home kept working and I was under the impression that sse are taking direct debit payments from my bank account and everything is fine because the Internet has continued to work.  To my horror I have just noticed that origin broadband has been sending me PDF bills for £39 a month and the email heading has been showing as just no reply so I thought it was junk and never bother to check it.  I have now noticed a bill every month and now I owe them some £350. I did instruct origin to supply me Internet and therfore don't feel responsible for this debt.  What are my rights and is it a legal debt considered I did not sign any agreements with them - their first contact with me tho was very clever back in July 2023 trying to lure me into an agreement however because I just saw that email now I'm not sure what to do because I owe them 400 pounds nearly supposedly at 39 per month.  Our agreement with sse was for 26 per month but they shut shop and passed us to origin without asking our consent.    The following is what origin email said back in July before they stated sending invoice every month for payment.    We hope you're enjoying your reliable phone and broadband with us. We're just letting you know your phone and broadband package will end on 30 Jun 2023. Thankfully, good things don't need to come to an end - read on to decide what you want to do next.   Below you'll find the details of your current package and some other great options to compare it to.   What can I do - shall I just pay the debt and cancel it and move elsewhere or is there any way I can fight this as they are more or less enforced upon us with out permission by sse who most Likly sold our accounts to them.    Any help greatly appreciated 
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The Court s pretty informal. The Judge [who you call "Judge" rather than Sir or madam] will not be wearing a wig and gown just a suit and it is advisable that you do the same and a tie.

Other than that the Judge will do most of the talking .If they haven't received a WS from the scrotes either the case will probably be thrown out straight away.

Usually the Judge will ask their lawyer a number of questions then ask for your take on things and then the case will be decided.  UKPC 0 Mystic Bertie 5. Then ask for your expenses time off work [if not being paid by your company while in Court, travelling and parking costs and occasionally they will allow something like 5 hours research at I think £8 per hour.

Later celebrate and post us the result and how much fun it was.

You will wonder  why you worried about it so much. Next time will be much easier.🙂

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Jk apologies i thought you meant website by WS. No i have not received their WS. ;) 

Dx many thanks for your help  i shall read through the County COurt FAQ. The address on the front of the letter says - county court at Gloucester and Cheltenham, 1st Floor, Cheltenham magistrates court,  st Georges Road, CHeltenham, GL50 3PF.

lookinforinfo many thanks for you informative reply, i was going to go there straight from work but i can always come home first and put my suit on.. I wont be losing any money im afraid as im on the early shift this week and i finish at 2pm. I can claim for fuel, research and parking costs. I looking forward to celebrating lol ;) 

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You can't claim for research and dont expect to be able to claim for fuel and parking costs, they're very heard to quantify

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Go for it Bertie!

Don't worry too much about how you dress.

Just remember the arguments we made in your WS.

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12 hours ago, mystic_bertie said:

No i have not received their WS.

Well thats the first point you need to bring to the judges attention.....failure to comply with directions.

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Good evening guys many thanks for your posts and advice. Im sorry for the late reply but i fell asleep on the sofa when i got home. 

The good and bad news is that the case has been discontinued, the bad news is the claimant did not inform me of this. I wasted fuel and paid for 2 hrs of parking to find this out. 

Not that it matters now but the lady in reception told me that the county court was in Gloucester today and not Cheltenham however my letter clearly says Cheltenham. So i'm assuming the county court moves between the 2 courts.

I was actually looking forward to getting a judgement in my favour but it was not to be. The woman told me that the claimant should have informed me. 

Anyway guys i thank you all times a million for your professional assistance with this one. It looks like they new they would lose and gave up, its appalling that they allowed to waste the court's time as well as mine. ;) 

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  • FTMDave changed the title to UKPC/DCBL ANPR PCN - appealed PAPLOC Now Claimform - Mcdonalds Bristol Patchway, 562 BS34 5TQ ***Claim Discontinued***
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I'm really lost as to why they say it was at gloucester. Your notice of hearing is clear that its at cheltnam. 

Yes the claimant should have informed you, but its likely DCB legal may have sent a letter you never got - it did seem a bit weird that you didn't get their WS

 

EDIT - I've checked courtserve and your hearing isnt listed on there, so as much as it won't help you, this might be a good guide for users to check the day before their hearings

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Hi Dave yes indeed we won and its wonderful news. This is obviously their way of being sore losers and inconveniencing me slightly lol. At least it it was worth it in the end and i did not have to pay their stupid over inflated pcn. ;) 

 

JK - I would need to ask them to find out the reason for the different location. Its a silly set up if you ask me. Im guessing its been discontinued and so the court assumed they did not need to inform me. 

I never got anything from DCB legal, the court letter is dated on the 25th Feb, i don't know at which point it was discontinued. 

Yeah that's a great idea and making sure people check before attending. I did phone yesterday but it was after 4pm and they were not answering the phone. Ill know for the next time. ;) 

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You could send an SAR to DCbl on the pretext that you are going for a breach of your GDPR . They should then send the purported letter of discontinuance which may show why it ended up in Gloucester and see if you can get your  costs back on the day. It obviously won't be much but  at least perhaps a small recompense for your wasted day.

Not exactly wasted since you had a great win  albeit much sweeter if you had beat them in Court. But a win is a win so well done. We will miss you as it has been almost two years since you first started out on this mission. { I would n't be surprised if the wrong Court was down to DCBL}.

I see you said "till the next time" but I am guessing you will be avoiding private patrolled car parks for a while.🙂

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A win is a win so well done.

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lookinforinfo - many thanks for your reply. It would be very interesting to get the letter of discontinuance. The court receptionist said that the county court was in Gloucester 'today' so that makes me think that some days it is in Gloucester and some days its in Cheltenham, it was maybe changed by the courts and i was never informed, who knows if DCBL were or not. My costs were a gallon of petrol and £3.40 for parking.

I certainly don't want to end up in court again that's for sure but never say never lol. Its utterly disgusting the way these crooks can legally treat motorists but that's the uk for you. I'm originally from Scotland so it's good that they are not enforceable there but they certainly still try to get money out of you.

I have to admit i have lost count of the pcn's i have received in the last 2 yr and 4 months since coming to England for work, most of them stop bothering you on their own eventually, it was just this one that they took it all the way. Like i mentioned in my WS the the likes of Aldi and other companies can get them cancelled but Mcdonalds refused to help me despite me being a very good customer.

 

brassednecked - many thanks ;) 

honeybee - many thanks ;) 

nicky boy - many thanks ;) 

 

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