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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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On 14/08/2023 at 13:35, bradfordlad said:

Date to submit Defence - FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER

you really should also re-read your thread when you post.

as i said before and NB pointed out.

just file our std defence dont adapt it other than your details

everything else is for you WS.

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Just thought I'd drop by with a very little update - defence was filed as above, and MCOL system shows as received the following day so all good there. 

I received a letter from the Court Service saying, "we've got your defence, so now it's in the hands of the Claimant." 

And here we are - almost a month later, and not a peep from anyone.  What happens next?

Do I literally do nothing until I hear from the court?

And how do I know if the claim is proceeding or has been stayed? 

Bit confused by the dates as you can probably tell! 

Cheers :-)

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you read ALL what it says on the court letter carefully........

although i would not be cheering the claim is stayed (which does not show on MCOL) until about 2mts.

read a few PCN Claimform threads here to so you KNOW whats to come next and HOW to react or Not.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Morning all,

Received this by email yesterday from the solicitors:

Re: Our Client: Uk Parking Control Limited

Claim Number: xxxxxxxx 

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS

We write to you in relation to the above matter.

To assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our Client may be prepared to settle this case. I can confirm our Client would be agreeable to £220.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £285.36.

Should you be agreeable to this offer, please confirm the same within 7 days. Payment can be made via our website www.dcblegal.co.uk, by calling our office on 0203 838 7038 or via bank transfer: 

DCB Legal Ltd Client Account  

Sort Code: 20-24-09  

Account no: 60964441   

When making payment please ensure you include the following reference number, xxxxxxxxxx, to enable us to allocate it to the correct case.

Upon receipt of the settlement sum of £220.00 we will update the Court that the matter has been settled. If you are not agreeable, we will continue to follow the Court process as normal. 

Kind Regards,  

Xxx

What do you think? Should I reply saying, "No thanks,  happy to go to court?" or should I ignore it? 

Thanks as always

BL

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Whatever you decide (or get advised), inform them that, going forward,  you will NOT accept communication by e-Mail, only in writing.

 

Otherwise, you risk them emailing you at the last minute, and them telling the court “but they agreed use of email”!

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yes how did they get your email?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You should ignore the communication.

However, as the others have asked, how did they get your e-mail address?  If they are allowed to use it they will file court documents one minute before the deadline full of lies, which you'll have no chance of answering.

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I would write to DCBL saying that you are in receipt of their email apparently with an offer to settle out of Court. If it had been a serious offer I would have expected the figure to have been around £100 -you know that figure that the keeper is expected to pay according to PoFA and the signage in the car park.

So how on earth you had a total of £285.36 is beyond me even taking into account that you have added in the debt  collectors fee. Yes the debt collector that says "no win-no fee". And though they didn't get me to pay, you seem to think that you can include their fee  anyway!

It's a pity that despite quoting  Parking Eye v  Beavis ad nauseam you seem to have missed the part near the end where the Judge states that anything much over £100 would be liable to be a penalty and in any event £100 though not a penalty  because of the legitimate interest, that charge should include all the costs involved in pursuing the motorist.

I would say that the penalty clause is definitely engaged at £220 never mind £285 and look forward to seeing how much the actual sum required when this case comes to Court. I will  be producing your email  and my response to show that you have no interest in attempting to settle out of Court. Your offer is farcical and you should be ashamed and embarrassed to have the effrontery to claim that you are expecting anyone to pay this figure which would be in excess of what the Court would impose.

Please note also that I am asking that any future correspondence from you or your client is in writing only. I am well aware of the skullduggery of the parking rogues when using email at the last moment. A strong complaint to the Jufge will follow should I receive further emails.

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Ok guys, bigger update...

Yes,  I had to send an email when i sent the snotty letter, as it needed to go by a set date and i was away at the time (as per post 42). Annoyed about it, but we move on...

I've just seen an email from them of 6th october, with an N180 DIRECTIONS form attached. Bugger, missed that :-(

should i upload it here?

Thanks for the suggested email response LFI, will send that once I've been pointed in the right direction Re the N180.

sending a 'no more emails' to them today though. 

Thanks all 

 

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Probably "scare" tactics by the naughty PPC...

Won't hurt to upload it.

What does mcol say?

i don't think official N180's are sent by email....?

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copy and paste the whole of the mcol claim history here please

exactly what it says not your interpretation

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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MCOL claim history copy & pasted as requested - thanks DX....
 

Your acknowledgment of service was received on 14/08/2023 at 16:05:07

Your defence was submitted on 07/09/2023 at 16:38:26

Your defence was received on 08/09/2023 at 08:05:23

When I click on the "Recent Transactions" button within Claim History, I get this: 

 

Recent Transactions for Defendant

 
Claim Status

A claim was issued against you on 09/08/2023

Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 14/08/2023 at 13:01:50

Your acknowledgment of service was received on 14/08/2023 at 16:05:07

Your defence was submitted on 07/09/2023 at 16:38:26

Your defence was received on 08/09/2023 at 08:05:23


 

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so no mention of the court sending out n180's so willy waving by the claimant

quite usual happens in every pcn claimform thread here if you care to go look...

ignore

sent to panic and harass. And you fell for it....simply because you've not read other threads enough.

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks dx - not so much panic, as "mildly concerned"! 

I have read other threads, but I guess it was the fact I'd missed it that was an issue.

Anyway - I've told them no more emails, and will wait to see what the postie brings in due course :-)

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Hi all, just posting to note that I have heard nothing since the last update in October. 

Too much to expect the case to be closed?   MCOL hasn't changed since I added post #91, so all quiet on the western front!  

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the claim is autostayed and will now cost them upto £275 to lift the stay. safe to say its most probably dead.

but dont move without informing the court.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks HB.

yesterday I received a letter from the solicitors DCB Legal. 

Am I correct in thinking they are fishing to get contact details to pressure me for a payment? 

The letter seems to be intentionally blurry. 

They note I have not provided contact email or phone - Why would I?

Then it goes straight into CPR 1.1 - totally unconnected? 

I was initially tempted to send a snotty letter part 2, but as the case is still open at court I decided to seek wiser counsel here! 

So gang - what do you think?
Thanks! 

 

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stupid willy waving. means ZERO.

the claim is now well stayed

ignore them until/unless they ever raise an N244 to lift the stay and go for defence strikeout/summary judgement...FAT CHANCE.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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