UKCP/CGTT (ZZPS)/QDR ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - Junction Street Retail park. leeds

[bradfordlad]

Hi all, 

Not sure there is much I can do here but worth asking! 

My son went into Leeds to collect his girlfriend, but as he was early, and not being familiar with the new road layout in Leeds he pulled into Crown Point retail park. 

The notice shows he arrived at 23:08 and left at 23:30 and states the vehicle was present on site during the restricted no parking period. 

He says it was dark and never saw any signs saying he couldn't park there. 

Is that grounds for an appeal?  Is it even worth appealing for the sake of £60?  

The notice states the POFA 2012 if that helps? 

Thanks in advance for any guidance! 

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

You've posted this in the local authority parking ticket forum.

 

This one from UKPC?, does it say parking charge notice?

 

HB

[Bazooka Boo]

UKPC ''manage'' the car park..

 

https://www.crownpoint-shopping.co.uk/parking/

 

 

[dx100uk]

please complete this:

 

 

dx

 

 

YOU DO NOT EVER APPEAL A SPECULATIVE INVOICE

 

moved to the private parking forum.

 

dx

 

[bradfordlad]

Thanks - lets try again! 

 

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

Please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 6th January 23

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 11th January 23
 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s

 

3 Date received 13th January 23
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] YES
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Very dark, but yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] NO
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up n/a
 

7 Who is the parking company? UKPC

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]Crown Point Retail Park, Leeds
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

BPA

Fully redacted PCN.pdf

[FTMDave]

Thanks.

 

As girlfriend presumably lives in Leeds, could she go there in the evening and photograph the signs?

 

One of the tactics of these disgusting companies is to not illuminate signs at night, so of course drivers can't see them and get caught out.

 

If no-one can see the damn signs it will massively undermine the fleecers' case.

 

 

[FTMDave]

19 hours ago, Bazooka Boo said:

UKPC ''manage'' the car park..

 

https://www.crownpoint-shopping.co.uk/parking/

And whoever runs the shopping centre reckons UKPC issue "fines"

[dx100uk]

thread tidied

[bradfordlad]

Thank FTMDave,  Unfortunately she doesn't live in the city.   He was collecting her from the coach station, but her coach was delayed, hence he had to stay local but didn't know where to park, and an empty retail park seemed like a good idea.  Apparently not!! 

I might go in tonight actually and take some photo's, that's a good idea.  

[bradfordlad]

Hi all, took a trip down to Crown Point at the weekend - was possibly a bit early as the shops were closed but it was still lit up.   The area in question did have a sign but unless you got out and read the small print with a magnifying glass it was easy to miss. 

 

No excuse I know, but what should I do - any suggestions?  My lads girlfriend has offered to pay it, but I don't like feeding these vipers!! 

Cheers

[dx100uk]

wont ever be paying, what makes you think that?

 

until/unless you ever get a letter of claim you ignore everyone.

 

do a good bit of reading up here in this same forum, then you'll be better informed.

 

dx

 

 

 

[Nicky Boy]

bradfordlad,

 

here's a google streetview... On reading the large text at the top of the sign, what would a normal driver assume?

No mention of hourly rates for parking... no pay/display terminals around the site.

It all points to one thing... 3 hours free parking.

 

Google Maps

WWW.GOOGLE.CO.UK

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Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

 

There are other signs around the site exactly the same.

There are other signs with different wording... Faced with a choice, the driver can choose whichever signs they want.

 

And as DX said, read some other threads.

You'll be surprised at what the fleecers have to get right to make their parking charge notices stick.

 

[bradfordlad]

Thanks guys, 

I took a photo but it was a bit blurry due to me not stopping!   You're right though Nicky Boy, the sign in question clearly says "3 hours Maximum Stay Only" but google streeview isn't updated yet so that's no help. 

Ok - hold the line and do some reading. Cheers! 

[FTMDave]

That is great work by Nicky Boy.

 

No-one can be expected to read conditions in the tiniest of tiny print, especially at night.

 

I changed coaches myself in Leeds twice in August during a return Nottingham > Leeds, Leeds > Sunderland trip.  I know the coach station is in the centre and it must be damn difficult to find somewhere to park.

[bradfordlad]

Hi all, 

 

Little update - I've had the 2nd letter from UKPC telling me the early payment discount has expired and they now want £100 - ignored that. 

 

Last week I received a letter from ZZPS Limited - scan attached.   I will ignore again, but any more guidance appreciated. 

 

I've also attached photo's of the carpark in question - the first only references "3 hours free parking", but the other does show "no parking out of hours" if you get out of your car and up close!  I took a close up and a "parked car view" of each sign.

ZZPS letter.pdf car park signs.pdf

[FTMDave]

Yes, ignore ZZPS, they are an uninterested third party and have less power that the mandarin orange peel I've just chucked in the bin.

 

Great work with the photos.

 

So the entrance sign just says 3 hours maximum which your son respected.

 

 

[bradfordlad]

Yep, exactly right.  I almost paid the charge last week as I can't be doing with the stress, but posting today has made me more determined to play them at their own game! 

[FTMDave]

Plus, as they say the T&Cs are in the car park, by the time you read them you're already "offending".

 

Don't pay them a penny, they are highly unlikely to do court and if they did the rubbish signage would see the judge give them a kicking.

[lookinforinfo]

Another argument is that unlike Parking Eye V Beavis where the Judges accepted that Parking Eye had a legitimate interest in the car park to keep the park clear  of overstayers that may have prevented potential shoppers from parking. Here there is no legitimate interest as the car park is empty.So the argument that a £100 charge is not a penalty falls flat.

[FTMDave]

That's a brilliant point LFI.

 

I've noted it down for use in all similar future cases.

[bradfordlad]

Afternoon all

 

Small update - received a lovely letter from GCTT Certificated Enforcement Agents, titled:  "WARNING BEFORE THE CASE IS TRANSFERRED TO SOLICITORS" blah blah blah  please pay up....

 

As per usual - ignore?! 

[dx100uk]

interesting UKPC have conned this lot into being involved

as ofcoyrse you know bailiffs can nEVER be involved unless you LOSE any court claim or fail to pay it within 1 month.

 

seems like UKPC are tryin the same scam as DCBL do.

 

scan it up please.

 

but yes totally powerless as this is their DCA wing i expect

 

1st time ive heard of 'em.

times must be hard for them

 

GCTT Certificated Enforcement Agents

GCTT.CO.UK

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Welcome to GCTT Certificated Enforcement Agents

 

[bradfordlad]

Sorry DX - I missed your last reply here. 

 

Letter from GCTT attached for info.

 

Thanks

GCTT Letter 1.pdf

[FTMDave]

Laugh at the letter and ignore.

[bradfordlad]

Ok - LETTER BEFORE CLAIM has arrived.   I will post it tomorrow when I can scan it, but in the meantime any advice please guys? 

Thank you