Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[tobyjugg2]

Some credible support other than an opinion please @theedlrouge?

Dalgliesh is unquestionably a UKIP fringe loon IMCCO

 

Lets see some quality studies and evidence on pubmed, nature or newscientist - NOT some loon opinion on the dorris and boris show mail

 

Covid origin: Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed

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The claim Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory dates from early in the pandemic. Here's what we know.

 

 

Absolutely EVERYTHING I have seen (which is a lot) from credible sources, including some far more credible analyses on whether the virus was mutated in a lab, are quite clear on concluding Covid-19 was a natural mutation

Claims of lab creation have ALL been fringe opinion pieces without support or credibility

 

[tobyjugg2]

Your/his assertion is about on a par with the 'cant prove it wasn't' assertions that the pyramids were built by Aliens (let alone Gu'ald) despite pictures/pictograms of labourers building them

[tobyjugg2]

I can tell you roughly HB - very very very few. Perhaps even the level that dispute human driven climate science ... a few years ago (not so many now).

He may be a retired professor of radiology, but his (mis)use of highly selected stats is quite painfully obvious. Also others misuse of security services analysis saying they cant be absolutely utterly 100% certain that it wasn't - as proof it was. .. It isn't.

 

All rely on not being able to prove beyond ANY doubt something that is 'not against the laws of physics' - maybe

- BUT what it IS is:

1. Beyond any current levels of science - probably at least a decade from what I can gather (and if its a Chinese plot - the required level of technology would have allowed a more specific 'genetic type'' targeting ...

2. More importantly - WAYYYY beyond our current levels of science to do it without leaving 'markers' in the modified 'GENOME

 

There are sigma levels of certainty it wasn't lab created.

Less certain is that there wasn't an escape from a lab (but NOT as the original cause) .. as corona and many other Virii were and are being examined in labs, and swiftly would have been at the outbreak  - BUT even that is extremely unlikely. I cant find any genuine candidates.

 

There is a preponderance of evidence (aka quite certain) it jumped from animals to humans in the illegal animals trade.

Its VERY likely it jumped from an animal into humans and back into animals again before then making a second VERY successful jump back into humans - again in the illegal animals trade across Asia where animal (food and rare) are in close proximity to humans for extended periods without protection or hygiene. Quite possibly even two strains infecting the same or same group of humans - MOST probably humans with weakened immune systems from working in such 'areas'.

 

The evidence for all this has already been linked in the mutating thread.. So some loon/agenda driven claiming otherwise with some misuse of targeted stats and NO, ZERO, NON, NADA evidence doesn't change that one whit. Those trying are just demonstrating they are whit-less

Its just more of the right wing promoting loony fringe horsepoop and discord to detract from their politicians rampant and never ending failures and corruption. Come back when you have some real evidence (fat chance) to discuss @theoldrouge

Edited December 2, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

While we wait for @theoldrouge to get his latest instructions on what conspiracy theories to promote from the secret shape shifting alien rulers of the world (aka 'MASTER on conspiracy.net - aka spotty Nigel from Milton Keynes)

 

Rishi Sunak ‘to give Rwanda £15m’ extra of taxpayer money in attempt to kick Rwanda asylum deal into long grass

rather than just admit its a farce

 

'The Prime Minister has set the target of kicking it into the springs new grass.

 

Rishi Sunak ‘to give Rwanda £15m’ in bid to seal new asylum deal

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Home secretary could fly out as soon as Monday to ratify fresh terms with Kigali

 

[honeybee13]

I don't understand how paying more kicks Rwanda into the long grass, TJ. I assumed the £15m was to make the deal more likely.

It seems the 'smoke and mirrors' new laws saying Rwanda is safe or disapplying human rights laws and obligations will be voted on soon. I suspect this will reduce Sunak's and the UK's standing in the world if it goes through.

[tobyjugg2]

£15M for Rwanda to 'sell sovereignty' doesn't make it any more legal (even in just England) does it?

.. and Sunak has set the woolly new target of spring

 

as you say - needs over-ruling of both international and domestic laws - which also affect the good friday agreement

Will they be able to pass those without using henry VIII?

Edited December 3, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

If the GFA is affected that will annoy the White House. 

[tobyjugg2]

Hunt throws at Labour

"Hunt challenged Labour to meet its pledge to balance the government finances through reducing the UK national debt as a share of the economy. “It’s not possible to meet our fiscal rule to reduce debt in five years and to increase borrowing by £28bn a year within five years. One of those things has to be false,” he said."

 

1. Bit rich coming from the chancellor of the party thats loaded the UK with debt to enrich its pals ...

2. ... and there lies the answer - just stop enriching oil and gas companies and other Tory pals, claim the money back and both targets met, let alone using that money to actually benefit the nations growth rather than tax haven accounts growth

 

 

and

"Ministers last week rushed an amendment through the Commons, allowing it to look into the bank account of everybody claiming State Pension. Their only reason was that it might be useful one day. The only change which could make it useful would be to means test the State Pension

The only change which could make it useful  (other than just more big brother feces) would be to means test the State Pension

 

 

 

[determindator]

Yes TJ the enrichment became so transparent and scandalous. 

[honeybee13]

So Cleverly has signed a Treaty with Rwanda that is enforceable under international law, he says. What happens if Rwanda decides to break international law 'in a limited and specific way'?

[tobyjugg2]

and what if the international community disagree (as they do) that a bunch of oathbreakers (the tory guv) declare Rwanda (which isnt a safe haven) is a safe haven because they and Rwanda say it?

All to traffick 200ish (maybe 300 balancing the 200 we will have to take from Rwanda) at a cost to the UK taxpayer of a million quid each or more?

I still say deporting 500 to 3 star hotels, half board in Spain for a decade would be cheaper and more effective. .. and there would be queues to go.

 

.. but less value as a dog whistle - which is all this actually seems to be ..

.. other than trashing Sunaks (ex) No1 competitor eh? Cleverly has dropped dramatically in the Torys 'desirable next PM list ' since he was moved hasn't he?

..

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Ministers 'misled' about air quality.

UK ministers ‘misled public’ when scrapping air quality regulations | Air pollution | The Guardian

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Exclusive: Documents show warnings that changes would weaken environmental protections were ignored

 

[tobyjugg2]

Rwanda policy smallprint

* Rwanda can send asylum seekers here (no fees to Rwanda, let alone a £million+ per traffickee)

* Deportees sent from the UK to Rwanda can just commit a crime in Rwanda to be sent back to the UK (no refunds)

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Must have been the Australia Trade deal negation team hard at work again ..

[tobyjugg2]

37 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Ministers 'misled' about air quality.

UK ministers ‘misled public’ when scrapping air quality regulations | Air pollution | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Exclusive: Documents show warnings that changes would weaken environmental protections were ignored

 

 

Rather like removing sewage dumping monitoring from our waterways ..

 

[tobyjugg2]

anyone seen anything/detail in the covid inquiry about the UK companies offering their services being  ignored while £millions routed to VIP lane cake shop and pub owner palss

 

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-ventilators-boris-johnson-email-nhs-testing-kits-a9432296.html

"A blunder that may have seen the UK miss out on an offer of 25,000 life-saving ventilators will be investigated, Michael Gove says.

A Cheshire company says it also told the Department of Health it could secure 50 million coronavirus testing kits – but its email went unanswered for two weeks.

The ventilators were then snapped up by other countries, Direct Access has revealed, adding to criticism of ministers for failing to prepare for an expected deluge of desperately ill patients."

I know nurses and staff in hospitals who were right up to last friday face to face with patients since the outbreak with no face masks, few gloves and not even hand sanitiser which had run out or been stolen.

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Edited December 6, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I haven't seen anything about PPE in this module, not sure which one it's meant to be in.

[honeybee13]

The Times says Jenrick has resigned over the Rwanda bill because it doesn't let the UK opt out of European human rights law.

I also read earlier that Rwanda doesn't want to be seen breaking international law to receive deportees.

[tobyjugg2]

You know Sunaks time is up when even a gutless hanger-on-to-coat-tails like Jenrick briefs against him (hes been sqeeking a fair bit off topic recently) let alone resigns

Grabs popcorn

Edited December 6, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

The Times says Jenrick has resigned over the Rwanda bill because it doesn't let the UK opt out of European human rights law.

I also read earlier that Rwanda doesn't want to be seen breaking international law to receive deportees.

ie they are happy to have the money without any requirement to receive migrants or even have to do anything

- money for old rope.

 

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

I haven't seen anything about PPE in this module, not sure which one it's meant to be in.

Me neither

Surely thats a crucial part from the start of the covid 'issues' - along with bringing back thousands from hot spots straight into and across communities

[honeybee13]

Procurement (Module 5) - UK Covid-19 Inquiry

COVID19.PUBLIC-INQUIRY.UK

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The independent public inquiry to examine the Covid-19 pandemic in the UK

 

[tobyjugg2]

so nothing until 2025 - phuuut

[tobyjugg2]

 

[tobyjugg2]

All the Rwanda plans have failed because they are just dog whistles that would rely on breaking even more of our international agreements and law

.. and put the law in the hands of individual ministers rather than the courts aka an absolute dictatorship

 

[tobyjugg2]

Investment firm co-founded by Jacob Rees-Mogg to close after losing top client | Hedge funds | The Guardian

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Somerset Capital will be wound down after UK’s largest wealth manager shifts £2bn mandate to another fund

Tossus .. tossed

Edited December 7, 2023 by tobyjugg2