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    • Received a final demand today Final demand.pdf
    • Here is my final draft: I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in the claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act.   1.        The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date.   2.        I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment.   As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party.   3.        The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’.  The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents.   4.        Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018.   5.        I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020.   6.        Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicotors is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’   7.        I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’.   8.        The claimant relies upon and exhibits a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement.   It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HH Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’.   The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause.   9.        Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not try to mislead the court.   10.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024
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    • Hi folks, I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing. I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help. Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection. I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you. A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire. The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals. The NTK is also in there. If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight. Thank you for the responses so far
    • Hello! After emailing them I received this reply:   I have drafted the following, please would you be able to comment as to if you think it is correct/sufficient? "Thank you for your email.   Thanks you for confirming that the vehicle does not have these features as stated in the advertisement.    I am sure you are aware that the Consumer Rights Act 2015 provides the short term right to reject within 30 days. Statutory rights cannot be taken away from a consumer, and any attempt to do so is illegal.   Please can you advise how best to return the vehicle?" Thanks in advance!
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I still don't understand why you are seeking 'legal redress' against the agent. What loss have you suffered? What would you expect to get redress for? Why are even bothering to get involved in this? Just tell the agent you aren't involved in the sale of the leasehold and the freeholder isn't interested in selling the freehold. Tell them again that that the freehold is not for sale and they should make that clear in their marketing. End of.

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HB - yes instructions to agent were from lender in possession of lease

 

Bazza - Trustees have been in touch by email / but agent not replying and the leaseholder/ lender is being obstructive.  They actually have an offer to buy lease.  Something odd going on as leaseholder has not accepted; rather are trying to make claim for fh.  Of course, all sorts of benefits come with fh (like development) and future increase of price.  But development not possible cos fh not for sale.  Don't know why they continue to try...

 

Ethel - both agent and leaseholder in possession had it in writing many months ago.  They have both sat on an offer for just lease - and they instead continue to market with the suggestion to buyers the fh is on offer for sale.  For clarity until lease is sold interest accrues, so the original tenant suffers.

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Ethel - both agent and leaseholder in possession had it in writing many months ago.  They have both sat on an offer for just lease - and they instead continue to market with the suggestion to buyers the fh is on offer for sale.  For clarity until lease is sold interest accrues, so the original tenant suffers.

 

Maybe the original tenant/lessee has suffered a loss because of the agents actions, maybe they haven't. We don't know enough to comment. But either way you don't seem to have suffered a loss or have any grounds for 'legal redress' against the agent. You've received an unsolicited offer for the freehold but you don't want to sell. Just say no! Then file and forget. Why are you getting more involved and talking about 'legal redress'? 

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Ethel - the little bit of research I have done is that the Estate Agents Act 79 says agents must not make misleading statements, falsely describe a property, show bias against potential buyers...

The agent has allowed a buyer to make an offer for the fh.  I have asked agent to advise when they were instructed to sell the fh and by who - because to mislead buyers in any way (according to the 79 Act) is illegal.  They cannot answer because they haven't been instructed and to admit that means they have acted illegally.... This is what I am trying to say.

To be clear - the original lessee suffers financially every day the agent doesn't sell the leasehold property.  

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To be clear - the original lessee suffers financially every day the agent doesn't sell the leasehold property.  

 

And there we have it. Up until now, it has been lender (who repossessed the lease), and freeholder, being discussed.

 

You wouldn’t be / be connected with the original lessee, by any chance?

 

What with you trying (other thread) to establish the FH had never had notice of the repossession, and the lender had no way of contacting the FH, which seems at odds with “trustees have been in touch by e-mail”.

 

If you are / have a direct connection with the original lessee, AND you are an agent for the FH, you are at risk of breaching a fiduciary duty, if you let your interests towards the first affect your duty towards the second.

 

If you don’t have that connection to the original LH : stop looking to “punish” the lender / estate agent, and start working with them.

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Bazza - Im not sure i understand?

Its not about Notice of repo - it is about Notice for fh.

 

Its obvious the original lessee suffers financial loss if the lender has taken possession and hasn't sold. The new leaseholder hasn't sold and is rather delaying the process instead to make a claim for fh (which they know isn't possible).

Fiduciary duty is crystal clear. 

 

I think I am just being inarticulate and making this more complicated than I mean my question to be.  I just want to know what rules and regs has the agent broken if agent is misleading potential buyers?

 

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Bazza - Im not sure i understand?

 


Lets get the situation entirely clear, then.

 

Were you the person who held the lease that the lender repossessed?

If not, do you have any direct connection to them?

 

Are you acting purely for the FH (The Trustees), or do you have any interest on behalf of the original lessee? 

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HB - yes you are correct to an extent.  Here - the agent received the offer for fh   The repo lender wont suffer loss.  But the fh will incur costs to act against notice for fh

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Bazza - this is the question I would like to have clarity on:

I just want to know what rules and regs has the agent broken if agent is misleading potential buyers?  With regards to this question - I am acting on behalf of the fh

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I'm just going to say this then bow out of this thread as you seem to me to be resisting advice given here because you want to pursue some legal action against the estate agent when you have no obvious legal status to do this. I really can't work out what you want to achieve.

 

You are not the leaseholder so any costs they have incurred because of wrongful acts by the agents (if there have been any) - eg delay in selling property because of incorrect sales particulars or failing to secure the property against damage - are a matter for the leaseholder &/or the lender who repossessed. Nothing to do with you, you have no legal standing in the matter and cannot seek legal redress yourself.

 

If there has been any misrepresentation which has caused financial loss to any prospective purchaser that is matter for them to pursue against the estate agent. Again, not something you have any legal standing in and not something that you personally can pursue for legal redress.

 

I really can't see what loss you have suffered yourself.

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I can’t really say it any better than Ethel Street just has.

 

I’m still left with the feeling there is more going on here (based on the lack of response to queries here, and the overall ‘tone’ of both threads : OP asking the same question over and over, sometimes in different ways, but lack of engagement with the lender, with evasion as to what is REALLY wanted as an outcome).

 

Hopefully, if someone disagrees and has an answer for the OP they’ll join this thread : me, I’m joining Ethel Street .....

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why doesnt the freeholder just use the terms of the lease to recover the property themselves if it is becoming derelict? All propertly constructed leases will have a suitable term to allow this. the lender will then either have to make good themselves to protect their residual interest or just let the matter go and try and recover what they can for the mortgagee

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May I ask how to stop dca and/or legal demand harassment?

 

A relative is constantly being anonymously telephoned, sent letters and having strange men turning up at their property trying to deliver legal letters/ serve notice/ statutory demand for someone that does not live at that address. 

 

They have previously 'returned to sender' the letters and advised on phone and to the strangers that they have the wrong address.

Relative does not have address of the person these people are trying to locate.

 

If relative opens the mail are they in the wrong? 

Even if they need to open envelope to see to where it needs to be returned?

 

And what happens if the letter contains confidential financial details of the person they are trying to contact?

 

I read somewhere that dca are not supposed to disclose someone's financial details to strangers - business colleagues, relatives, friends, neighbours, work etc

 

Is there something relative can do to prevent these people turning up again?

Should they just open and return to sender again as 'not at this address'

Thanks for best advice.

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no problem in opening all the letters

it would be useful for you to be able to p'haps scan them up too to PDF

so we can see the people behind this.

 

then we'll know how best to sort this issue for her.

there maybe many reasons behind it, most are nothing to worry about

but 

it might be an advantage to do so in case there is fraud and or ID theft going on or gone on here in the past.

 

I will assume all the legal occupants have checked their own credit files just to ensure nothing untoward shows like strange accounts or linked addresses or financial links to unknown people?

 

in these cases its always better to thoroughly gather all evidence then we will be best positioned to advise.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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that will be a process server.

as they have to serve it personally, to the named person, it will be interesting to see how they accomplish this.

 

is this consumer debt do you know?
 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you indicate in the title its a bank?

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes do as DX advises, otherwise you might have bailiffsHCEO turning up to enforce a CCJ on the non resident they are after, if you don't make sure they are fully aware that person doen't live ther, and that once they are aware any action against lawful occupier  will be classed as harassment and reported.

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the letter looks like something anyone could have typed themselves.

No address/ no company details.

Just a private # to call

 

Its a simple letter advising someone will attend premises on certain date to serve statutory demand re insolvency.

Notes that if person not there the SD will have been deemed to be served by advertisement in press or through letter box.

 

Also notes in event of bankruptcy petition being presented, court will be asked to consider such service as service of the SD on the debtor.

 

The person concerned was there many decades ago.

 

Just to say there is no way of telling whether it's a bank, dca or person who is behind this 'process server'.  And there is no return address.  So what should relative do?  Normally people advise not to make calls!

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