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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Already emailed Mr Cruz last week to no avail, that's why I've now emailed Mr Walsh.

The fact BA and Iberia are the same company, sister companies or whatever you call two companies that have merged, makes this story a joke.

Probably it'll never go as far as court, but I wonder what a judge would think.

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A judge would think that IAG have no liability under the Regulation for compensating you. But you could always try it if you don't believe me.

 

You're doing the right thing suing Iberia - they've not denied being the operating air carrier, as I understand you, but rather suggest it was BA's and not their fault - which is irrelevant. I hope you're right that they don't make you go to court, but so many of these airlines are still resisting the proper implementation of the Regulation, and the CAA - paid for by the airlines- does nothing to protect the passenger from this sharp practice.

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No, I won't sue IAG.

As you said, Iberia seems to be the air carrier for that flight, even though my ticket says BA.

The fact that they never denied being the operator reinforces the suspicion that it is their flight.

Looking at the same flight in future, all websites, including Iberia, state that it is operated by Iberia.

One question for the county courts experts: as I have no substantial proof that it was an Iberia flight and my ticket says "operated by British Airways", should I name BA as co-defendant or is that going to be unwise?

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No, I won't sue IAG.

As you said, Iberia seems to be the air carrier for that flight, even though my ticket says BA.

The fact that they never denied being the operator reinforces the suspicion that it is their flight.

Looking at the same flight in future, all websites, including Iberia, state that it is operated by Iberia.

One question for the county courts experts: as I have no substantial proof that it was an Iberia flight and my ticket says "operated by British Airways", should I name BA as co-defendant or is that going to be unwise?

 

My ticket and boarding pass - both state (operated by Iberia)....

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wont hurt to name them as co-defendants, a judge can decide if all of the liability lies with one or the ohter or either BA or Iberia can put their hands up and admit being liable. However, they will probably both say they are not liable, bigger boys did it and they had a stick.

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wont hurt to name them as co-defendants, a judge can decide if all of the liability lies with one or the ohter or either BA or Iberia can put their hands up and admit being liable. However, they will probably both say they are not liable, bigger boys did it and they had a stick.

 

BA have already admitted liability for the IT outage....

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wont hurt to name them as co-defendants, a judge can decide if all of the liability lies with one or the ohter or either BA or Iberia can put their hands up and admit being liable. However, they will probably both say they are not liable, bigger boys did it and they had a stick.

 

 

 

 

I don't know the answer to King's question. But one point and one query:

 

a) assuming it was an Iberia flight, neither BA nor IAG have any liability to the claimant (King). No court can find them liable for a 261/04 case brought by King. Of course they might be liable to Iberia, if Iberia sought compensation from them in turn (the regulation is explicit on this);

 

b) my query is this: if you name BA as a joint defendant, even after you've been told they are were not the operating air carrier (and Iberia don't contest this) could you be liable for any of BA's costs, for acting unreasonably? Your defence would be that your ticket indicated that BA were scheduled to operate the flight, which would be fair enough. But are you certain this is what it says?

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100% certain my original ticket issued by tripsta says "operated by British airways".

 

Just now I was looking through all the screenshot that I usually take when doing something online and found the Iberia website where I entered the passports' details.

 

Well, that page from Iberia website says "flight operated by Iberia" next to the flight details.

 

In light of this, should I leave BA alone and start a claim only against Iberia?

 

As mentioned, I don't want to end up paying BA costs.

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BA have flat out refused all my claims for compensation (They could pay me whatever they like but they are only compensating customers under EU621 regulations - and they are sticking to this rule adamantly. Legally correct but not morally).

 

Iberia have also refused all claims.

 

Looks like I'll be going to court against Iberia too...

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wonder if either of you paid by credit card?

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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wonder if either of you paid by credit card?

 

 

dx

 

I did, but the credit card company won't pay compensation under 461/2004 and I doubt I would be able to get the ticket refunded under section 75 because I accepted an alternative flight 2 days later.

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BA have flat out refused all my claims for compensation (They could pay me whatever they like but they are only compensating customers under EU621 regulations - and they are sticking to this rule adamantly. Legally correct but not morally).

 

Iberia have also refused all claims.

 

Looks like I'll be going to court against Iberia too...

 

I can't find EU621 regulation related to flight delays, what's that?

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wonder if either of you paid by credit card?

 

 

dx

 

Credit card can only get you refunds not compensation.

 

BA refunded my flight, as they could only offer me a flight 5 days later !!, then refused my compensation....

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Did you get any response from Iberia....

.... I've heard nothing. Court action I feel is looming....

 

Did you get any response from Iberia....

.... I've heard nothing. Court action I feel is looming....

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Update:

Following my complaint to ceo at British airways, Yesterday I received an email which states:

You were a passenger on the cancelled flight ba518 on 27/05/2017 so you are entitled to compensation under ec261/2004.

Lots of apologies and request for bank detail to make the payment.

 

30 minutes later, the same customer service agent emails back and states:

Please disregard my previous email, I see why my colleague initially denied your claim.

Flight ba518 was only delayed, not cancelled, so I would be grateful if you could explain why you didn't travel on this flight.

Also you said that you that you travelled on 27/05/2017 but also that you were delayed by 2 days, can you please clarify?

At this point she stated a couple of random flight numbers which would have not take me to Menorca.

 

Firstly all flights from terminal 5 on 27/05/2017 were cancelled and BA ceo video online confirms this.

Anyway, Looking at flight history, for some reason the flight ba518 appears to have been delayed by 4 and half hour, but never landed in Madrid.

The estimated arrival was 4 and half hours later than expected and too late to connect to any plane to Menorca, so even if we had taken that flight (which didn't depart anyway), we would have been delayed by more than 2 hours and still entitled to compensation.

I never said that I travelled on 27/05/2017, they just made that up and they know it because my reservation was amended following the flight cancellation.

 

I emailed this back to BA and because you can only email them with their online form which takes 21 days to be read, I emailed the customer service agent directly at [email protected].

My thought is that they're trying to mud the waters as much as they can to avoid paying compensation.

However, I need your advice: with the initial email accepting liability and validating my claim, has BA condemned themselves to pay up?

I ask this because if you read my previous posts it appears that the flight was in codeshare with Iberia and Iberia was the official air carrier, so they should pay compensation.

But ba has now accepted liability and soon after void my claim because their wrong record make the flight late and not cancelled which doesn't make any difference in terms of compensation.

What do you think?

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b) my query is this: if you name BA as a joint defendant, even after you've been told they are were not the operating air carrier (and Iberia don't contest this) could you be liable for any of BA's costs, for acting unreasonably? Your defence would be that your ticket indicated that BA were scheduled to operate the flight, which would be fair enough. But are you certain this is what it says?

 

Update:

Following my complaint to ceo at British airways, Yesterday I received an email which states:

You were a passenger on the cancelled flight ba518 on 27/05/2017 so you are entitled to compensation under ec261/2004.

 

............

30 minutes later, the same customer service agent emails back and states:

Please disregard my previous email, I see why my colleague initially denied your claim.

Flight ba518 was only delayed, not cancelled, so I would be grateful if you could explain why you didn't travel on this flight.

...........

What do you think?

 

I think it opens the door for you to put both as the defendants in the claim (at much less risk of being found liable for their costs) as as it will be much harder for either to say they have been added unreasonably.

 

Add to that that if you can keep it in small claims track, it is even less likely costs can be heaped on, and you can point out that they are subsidiaries of the same parent and are each pointing the figure at the other : I don't think it could be held to be unreasonable to name both on a claim.

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Hi guys,

update:

After a lot of ignored emails, twitter rants, threats of court action etc, BA seems to have capitulated.

 

They informed me that my claim has been accepted fully (bar a £4.50 beer because they don't pay for alcoholic drinks)

Let's see if they will really pay within the next 7 days as promised.

 

BTW, I emailed CAA to gain information about this flight and they sent me the full monty.

It was highlighted that the flight is "operated by Iberia on behalf of BA".

BA is the official air carrier they let Iberia operate that flight.

 

Incidentally Iberia finally replied to my 2 months old claim saying that because these were exceptional circumstances they don't need to pay,

as a gesture of goodwill they would (really??? How generous!)

 

However they don't make it clear if the wanted to pay compensation and expenses or just the expenses.

 

They wanted the following to proceed:

Photocopies of all passports

Boarding passes

Birth certificates of all under 16

Original booking

Credit card evidence that we paid for the flight.

 

I think I just go with BA as they are the same company.

 

Please note: I never intended getting double compensation,

I claimed from both airlines because it wasn't clear who was responsible.

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