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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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post 1 still has pcn number showing line 3 of letter

 

 

unapproved.

 

 

not sure what age of posts you were reading

but the ignore advise is a good few years now

on here

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As you have already sent off a letter that identifies you as the driver by your relationship to your mother (use of grammar may just save you on this)

you have now made the job of refuting the claim very difficult indeed.

 

Sending a follw up letter will make you look like you are being untruthful and evasive so you will have to live with what you have.

 

Best say nothing further until you get something from them to indicate what they are going to do and then go with the lack of compliance with the keeper liability for the PoFA.

 

Problem there is they know or believe that you were the driver at the time so you need something else.

 

Contact the local council and see if UKPCS have been granted planning permission for the signs under the advertising display regs of the Town and Country Planning Act.

 

If they havent been granted PP then the signs are there ILLEGALLY

and you cannot enter a contract with someone whislt commiting a crime.

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I've contacted Halton Borough Council and this is their reply:

 

 

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To whom it may concern,

 

Re: Land located between the Halifax Bank and Widnes Market Hall, Widnes Town Centre, Widnes

 

Following interrogation of the planning history system, there are no advertising consents recorded for the above land.

 

Regards

 

Tim Gibbs BSc MSc DipSurv MRTPI MRICS

Divisional Manager - Policy and Development Services

Policy, Planning and Transportation Department

Policy and Resources Directorate

Halton Borough Council, Floor 2, Municipal Building, Kingsway, Widnes. WA8 7QF."

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Brilliant news game over!

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I was considering emailing Miah Solicitors to let them know that I know that the signage is illegal

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Dear Sir / Madam,

Halton Borough Council have confirmed that UKCPS have not been granted planning permission for the signs for the car park

under the advertising display regulations of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990.

The signage is therefore illegal and therefore the driver has not entered into a contract with UKCPS.

This concludes that there is no monies owing to UKCPS by the registered keeper of the vehicle.

Yours sincerely,"

Should I proceed or not?

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no, they are acting as debt collectors and thus not covered by SRA.

Would I send that email? Yes, as long as you have a method of sending a copy to yourself. It is all about creating a paper trail so if the muppets do decide to sue you can show that you did act in a reasonable manner and tried to prevent the courts time being wasted by this ridiculous claim.

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I was going to send Miah's this email:

 

 

"

Dear Sir / Madam,

 

Notwithstanding that I deny any debt to UKCPS, I note that your letter dated 20th November 2015 demands £150 for legal costs.

 

Your client has either failed woefully in its duty to mitigate costs or the sum has not been incurred and the demand is fraudulent.

In neither case am I liable for the payment.

 

If you insist that the charge is justified, please provide a copy of your invoice to UKCPS.

If this is not possible, please confirm :

 

1. The Invoice number and details of the VAT component.

2. The date that your client paid the invoice.

3. Details of the time spent and activities performed for which you charged the client £150.

 

If none of the requested information is provided, I require a full explanation for the charge.

 

I will not enter into any further discussion of the UKCPS parking charge until I am satisfied by your reply.

 

Do not contact me again by any form of communication other than to provide the answers to my questions. Failure to supply me with this information will result in a complaint to the Solicitors Regulation Authority.

 

 

Yours faithfully.

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What part of no dont you understand.

 

 

As for the rest,

a complete waste of ink,

keep it short and to the point.

 

 

Anything else just invites further harassment by them as they think you dont know what you are talking about

and as their claim about the extra money is utter cobblers

you are inviting them to send you a corrected bill that you cant argue about.

it is a very slippery slope.

 

Just send the short letter stating no contract as they are engaging in criminal activity and leave it at that.

Dont enter into any further correspondence ansd certainly dont invite it.

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I have created a new user account so not to assist Miah Solicitors with their claim against. I've contacted the owners of the land.

 

 

The signs have not been displayed illegally and do not require planning permission as they are allowed under permitted development rights. See copy attached.

This aside UKCPS are only involved because the area is not a car park, it is a service yard and we are required to restrict usage to prevent members of the public from mixing with delivery vehicles.

Kind Regards

Rob Morton MRICS

Associate

Commercial Property Management

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Read the signage.

 

Parking is for permit holders only.

 

Anybody else parking there is a trespasser, so no contract can be formed with the driver.

 

You can't agree to a contract for something you are not allowed to do...

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Ive already told you they arent so why are you asking about a response to a letter you should never have sent.

You are just looking for trouble and have now found it.

 

 

UKPCS will think you a bumbling fool and will probably take advantage of that.

Why did you write to the owners of the land and ask them about it when you already have the answer form the people who make those decisions.

 

You are a prime example of the people who come here because they dont know somehting so they ask,

get a response but as they dont believe the answer is true go away and just ignore what they should have taken on board.

 

This may seem harsh but consider this, you havent asked the landowner anything, you have asked the managing agents,

who have a vested interest in this deception so why do you believe them and not us?

 

Your choice really,

pay up becasue someone tells you that the moon is made of cheese

or do a bit of research and read the 2006 regs about deemed consent and what signs it applies to.

 

 

If the sign saya "bus stop" then it doesnt need permission but this one will do,

even though it is done on the nod as the council has to have good grounds for refusing.

 

The house number on your front door is covered by the legislation but that is deemed consent.

However, if the government changes its minds on what can and cant be done it doent need primry legislation,

just an order nodded through parliament at 0845am on a tuseday and it is so.

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