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ruski v turkey hotting up

 

ruski defence ministry accuse turkey presidents family of trading oil with that criminal group of terrorists

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34982951

 

whilst the commons debate re strikes continues (live atm)

'David Cameron has told MPs that bombing so-called Islamic State in Syria will "keep the British people safe". But Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the PM's case "doesn't stack up" as MPs debate whether to back air strikes. Mr Cameron faced calls to apologise for saying opponents of military action were "terrorist sympathisers", with Mr Corbyn saying it "demeaned" his office. The PM declined to apologise, but said there was "honour" in voting for or against military action...'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34980504

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I wonder what stance Corbyn would be taking had it been London and not Paris that had been attacked ?

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If we are just going to take part in the bombing and no one knows where the baddies are - there must be ground troops who are pinpointing where the bombs are to be dropped ?

Yes exactly, contery to popular belief Drones require either an operator on the ground pinpointing the target or someone on the ground with a tracking device placed on vehicle or at location.

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There are 20,000 deaths on average caused by global terrorism, this is a insignificant number compared to other threats we face, food poisoning causes 800,000 deaths each year globally, in the cold light of the day how many trillions is this war costing, a war on takeaways and poor hygiene would cost far less and save countless more lives.

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MPs authorise UK air strikes in Syria http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34989302

 

MPs have overwhelmingly voted by 397 to 223 to authorise UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria after an impassioned 10-hour Commons debate.

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MPs authorise UK air strikes in Syria http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34989302

 

MPs have overwhelmingly voted by 397 to 223 to authorise UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria after an impassioned 10-hour Commons debate.

 

 

... and the raf bomb a couple of oilwells

phuuut

 

The finest airforce in the world, with some of the best precision targeting systems in the world (apart from saudi arabia who actually have more of the latest typhoons and brimstone missiles) hit some oil wells that an artillery shell could have taken out.

.. and not even in the North where they need to strike.

 

(A wwII lancaster bomber with a ten year old map of the area could have done it)

 

 

Hers a map from a report back in may

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/map-locates-omar-oil-field-where-u-commandos-photo-163723459.html

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... and the raf bomb a couple of oilwells

phuuut

 

The finest airforce in the world, with some of the best precision targeting systems in the world (apart from saudi arabia who actually have more of the latest typhoons and brimstone missiles) hit some oil wells that an artillery shell could have taken out.

.. and not even in the North where they need to strike.

 

(A wwII lancaster bomber could have done it)

 

It would appear that those oil wells were under the control of ISIS !!

 

 

Four Tornados from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus took part in the operation soon after MPs voted to approve bombing.

 

The strikes targeted the Omar oil fields in eastern Syria, which is under IS control, and were "successful", Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said.

 

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It would appear that those oil wells were under the control of ISIS !!

 

Yes CitizenB

The yanks and Russians have been bombing the omar oilfield for ages.

Sorry - I added things to my initial post which I often do before seeing your reply

 

If we are bombing - I would have hoped it would be in a significant way to justify the intervention - not something so meaningless in real terms

 

 

Heres a map from a report back in may

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/map-loc...163723459.html

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What if the Russians are correct that the Turkish government are buying cheap oil from ISIL ?

 

This would throw a big spanner in the works, as Turkey are supposed to be on our side. If there is going to be any ground war, it is likely that they would be partly launched from Turkey.

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Yes, Its long past time the West understood who and what Saudi Arabia and the Arab states are really fighting for and against, and why Turkey (despite trying to hedge its bets) will not commit to fighting ISIS and is in fact one of ISIS's main support structures.

 

There is good reason why ISIS is strongest against the Turkish border, and why Turkey shot down the Russian bomber intelligence gathering in that region.

 

Beggars the question of why the precision Typhoons did not attack the ISIS traffic on the road to Turkey that they are capable of hitting.

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ruski v turkey hotting up

 

ruski defence ministry accuse turkey presidents family of trading oil with that criminal group of terrorists

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34982951

 

 

Pres. Erdogans response:

'Ankara (AFP) - President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday said Turkey had proof Russia was involved in illegal oil trade with the Islamic State (IS) group in Syria, countering "immoral" Russian allegations that his own family was importing oil from the jihadists. "We have the proof in our hands. We will reveal it to the world," Erdogan said in a televised address in Ankara........'

http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says-turkey-proof-russia-involved-oil-trade-112804961.html;_ylt=AwrC1THoO2BWiXUAzlfQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

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Pres. Erdogans response:

'Ankara (AFP) - President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday said Turkey had proof Russia was involved in illegal oil trade with the Islamic State (IS) group in Syria, countering "immoral" Russian allegations that his own family was importing oil from the jihadists. "We have the proof in our hands. We will reveal it to the world," Erdogan said in a televised address in Ankara........'

http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says-turkey-proof-russia-involved-oil-trade-112804961.html;_ylt=AwrC1THoO2BWiXUAzlfQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

 

The oil belongs to the Syrian regime!

Russia will of course be trading Syrian oil.

 

The russians have already posted evidence of the Turks trading in Syrian oil passing through the Turkish border (not that anyone who looked ever doubted that)

 

What is Turkeys excuse for trading in Syrian oil not from the Syrian regime?

Traded through the Turkish border, in vast quantities from ISIS held areas?

With supplies going back into Syria for ISIS and Nusra

 

There are many sources of the information, but here is a UK one

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

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good article in sum. 2nd to last paragraph...

 

 

The exact relationship between Erdoğan’s government and Isis may be subject to debate; but of some things we can be relatively certain. Had Turkey placed the same kind of absolute blockade on Isis territories as they did on Kurdish-held parts of Syria, let alone shown the same sort of “benign neglect” towards the PKK and YPG that they have been offering to Isis, that blood-stained “caliphate” would long since have collapsed – and arguably, the Paris attacks may never have happened. And if Turkey were to do the same today, Isis would probably collapse in a matter of months. Yet, has a single western leader called on Erdoğan to do this?

 

Is this what you mean, Ford ?

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I must admit, I was quite shocked to learn that Turkey who is a member of NATO is supporting ISIS ?

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I must admit, I was quite shocked to learn that Turkey who is a member of NATO is supporting ISIS ?

 

Try this for size

 

iTrace is a European Union-funded project which provides policy makers with precise, verified information on transfers of diverted conventional weapons and ammunition.

 

 

http://www.conflictarm.com/about-us/

 

Direct link to PDF detailing soutces of ISIS weapons

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi6x7e0vMDJAhWBrhQKHU-pABMQjBAIJjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fconflictarm.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F09%2FDispatch_IS_Iraq_Syria_Weapons.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHJayZ5G37KxeN09b8qSiTWMt8pnw

 

 

excerpt

"M79 90 mm anti-tank rockets captured from

IS forces in Syria are identical to M79 rockets

transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating

under the ‘Free Syrian Army’ umbrella in 2013."

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Just hearing on BBC radio that some reports indicate as few as 118 confirmed ISIS/terrorist kills in Syria, in a year. by US led air strikes prior to Russian and French escalations.

 

Putting that in perspective, ISIS killed more of us in each of the Russian plane and Paris attacks than the US coalition managed in a year of unopposed air strikes.

 

Canada is withdrawing its forces from the US coalition.

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germany votes in. though seemingly not re air strikes, only reconnaisance and support.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35002733

 

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'Since Russia began air strikes on the Turkmen mountains in north-west Syria last month, nearly 5,000 people from the country's ethnic Turkmen minority have fled their homes. Many have crossed the border into Turkey's Hatay province, their plight overshadowed by a diplomatic row between Turkey and Russia....' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34995678

it wasnt long ago, post #17, reported that 'US, Turkey, and Turkmen went on joint ops' against that particular crim terrorist group that everyone is supposed to be targeting. Now, Ruski apparently targeting Turkmen?

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germany votes in. though seemingly not re air strikes, only reconnaisance and support.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35002733

 

also

'Since Russia began air strikes on the Turkmen mountains in north-west Syria last month, nearly 5,000 people from the country's ethnic Turkmen minority have fled their homes. Many have crossed the border into Turkey's Hatay province, their plight overshadowed by a diplomatic row between Turkey and Russia....' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34995678

it wasnt long ago, post #17, reported that 'US, Turkey, and Turkmen went on joint ops' against that particular crim terrorist group that everyone is supposed to be targeting. Now, Ruski apparently targeting Turkmen?

 

Hi Ford,

The 'core' of those Turkmen are Turkish sponsored al-nusra .- Terrorists according to the west affiliated with the A-Q/ISIS radicals.

 

These were Turkeys efforts to build a Turkish region in Syria they could annex (like the bump of Rusian plane infamy) at the planned break-up of Syria, spreading as far east as they could drive the Kurds, leaving Turkey with a radical and armed Turkish force extending into Syria and flanking Turkeys Kurdish Foe.

 

These are the people who:

 

'Captured' the $500B program US trained troops inserted into Syria from Turkey (one of the key factors in the programs decommissioning)

 

'Captured' US supplies from Turkey going to 'moderates'

 

Shot at and Killed one of the Russian pilots while they were parachuting down

 

Protect and manage one of the main ISIS Turkish oil and supply routes

 

Supply ISIS with weapons etc which were intended for so called moderates

 

Are dedicated to the overthrow of Assad (to establish a Turkish region) and the Kurds and are happy to work with ISIS to get there

 

and are undoubtedly a large portion of the wests 70,000 'moderates' that are not moderates or free syrians - with their mortal enemies the Kurds being the other large chunk.

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