Syria

[tobyjugg2]

its starting to hit the mainstream news services

 

Turkey 'planning to invade Syria'

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11706383/Turkey-planning-to-invade-Syria.html

[Guest]

and, UAE, 'ready' to get involved 'on the ground', with US help..

'The United Arab Emirates (UAE) said on Sunday it was ready to supply ground troops to help support and train an international military coalition against Islamic State in Syria provided such efforts were led by the United States......Following Saudi Arabia's announcement, Syria's foreign minister said on Saturday Damascus would resist any ground incursion into its territory and send the aggressors home "in coffins"....'

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-emirates-idUKKCN0VG0RM?rpc=401&

[Conniff]

No need to invade, if they ask nicely isis will bring the oil to them.

[tobyjugg2]

and, UAE, 'ready' to get involved 'on the ground', with US help..

'The United Arab Emirates (UAE) said on Sunday it was ready to supply ground troops to help support and train an international military coalition against Islamic State in Syria provided such efforts were led by the United States......Following Saudi Arabia's announcement, Syria's foreign minister said on Saturday Damascus would resist any ground incursion into its territory and send the aggressors home "in coffins"....'

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-emirates-idUKKCN0VG0RM?rpc=401&

 

 

Well I thought the problem was that Saudi arabia and Turkey had already sent fighters into Syria (and |Iraq) that was the core cause of the problem.

and that the US initially prevented Assads forces from effectively fighting them.

 

Also highly interesting that the UK is carrying out the largest invasion style military exercise in many years in Jordan.

[tobyjugg2]

and despite the Wests rhetoric about poor free Syrians being bombed in Aleppo, and poor destitute civilians rushing to the Turkish border,

Turkey reports suicide vests and bomb material found on 'refugees' at Turkish border

(despite Turkey supplying the Aleppo militants)

http://news.trust.org/item/20160210083600-2gq6x

 

and Turkey summons the US ambassador over US kurd comments.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-summons-u-s-ambassador-to-protest-washingtons-stance-on-kurds-1455082474

[tobyjugg2]

and here is America's CNN giving a very easy to read overview of the situation with Aleppo and Turkey

Read carefully. It gives a lot more than is at first apparent

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/turkey-syria-nightmare-scenario/

 

 

 

(Note that the refugees that Turkey is closing its borders to are in large part Turkeys own Aleppo militant representatives who are running from the Assad/Russian onslaught)

 

The independants perspective

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-civil-war-could-turkey-be-gambling-on-an-invasion-a6844171.html

[tobyjugg2]

Oh, and where the US failed to properly commit to the Kurds (with good reasons in my view but perhaps not good enough) Russia has effectively recognised the Kurdish state and supported the Kurds with effective bombing runs and weapons suppies.

 

The Kurds are reciprocating and attacking the Turkish supported militants which the west calls civilians/Free Syrian Army who are both Kurd and Assad's enemies, driving them from an air base in Northern Syria.

Those Turkmen refugees on the Turkish border are running from Kurds at least as much as Assad.

Erdogan must be going berserk.

 

This is Effectively bringing the US nominally supported and Russian acknowledged and supported Kurds into direct conflict with Turkish and Saudi militant groups (aka Free Syrian Army) on the side of the Russian/Assad coalition.

 

How long before the Russians put air defense systems in the Kurdish held areas to shoot down Turkish planes bombing these Syrian Kurds?

 

Assad and the Russians need these areas cleared of Turkish militants before a cease fire could realistically be made. They would probably continue to support a Kudish state.

 

Turkey does not want a cease fire, It wants Syria broken up with the Kurds erased and the North of Syria in Turkeys hands.

 

The US is in a very difficult position where its allies are its enemies and its enemies are its allies.

 

 

 

 

What a horrible mess this continues to be, when anyone with sense should have seen there was no good end game in destabilising Syria.

[Guest]

it is a 'mess', getting worse. reports of hospitals being shelled etc, france 'urging end to turkish assualt on kurds' (bbc), further migration, etc.

continuation of politics by other means..

[tobyjugg2]

it is a 'mess', getting worse. reports of hospitals being shelled etc, france 'urging end to turkish assualt on kurds' (bbc), further migration, etc.

continuation of politics by other means..

 

Yes,

There is still a great amount NOT being said by people who should be stating clear facts about the recent hospital strikes. With some reports claiming they were dumb bombs from Russian warplanes and some reports of 'double tap' missile strikes as used by drone strikes, and some that 2 smaller 'planes' flew in from Turkey.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/12/us-rejects-russian-charge-a10s-hit-aleppo-hospital.html

I'm not sure which is true, but this looks like another stitch job like the ambush of the Russian plane and the chemical weapons accusations.

The only sense any of these make even in the crazyness of these sort of conflicts is as false flag events.

 

 

Its hugely interesting theat if you look at the MSF and red cross sites, their own sites state that their bases are in Damascus, and injured are evacuated to Damascus, and the aid convoys go from Damascus.

Not from Turkey, or from the US coalition areas.

 

Also interesting that although the supply route from Turkey has only just been cut, the people have been starving for a long time. Obviously not food and medical aide for civilians the Turks were sending along the route while it was open.

 

 

It was almost certainly kurds who set off the car bomb against the Turkish military in Ankara.

 

There was never much doubt that Turkey would end up entering the Syrian conflict more directly, but it quite clear they wanted the US actively supporting them, and they were undoubtedly hoping that it would be as 'peace keepers' after their proxies had toppled Assad rather than as invaders after their proxies failed.

[Conniff]

Of course it was Russia, everything that is wrong in this world is because of Russia.

[unclebulgaria67]

Of course it was Russia, everything that is wrong in this world is because of Russia.

 

Stop winding him up !

 

Humans are weapons of mass destruction and have been since they have been on the planet. There can't have been many years, where there has not been a war somewhere in the world.

 

Pretty pathetic that people can't just get along and live in peace.

 

And stop exporting weapons to countries which are not fit to have them. ISIS are using American weapons and vehicles stolen from Iraq. Iraq was never left in a stable condition after the second war that toppled Saddam.

[san_d]

Stop winding him up !

 

Humans are weapons of mass destruction and have been since they have been on the planet. There can't have been many years, where there has not been a war somewhere in the world.

 

Pretty pathetic that people can't just get along and live in peace

 

But peace is not good for GDP. War, instead, is a catalyst for growth. Kill, kill, kill, if that is good for the economy.

[tobyjugg2]

Stop winding him up !

 

Humans are weapons of mass destruction and have been since they have been on the planet. There can't have been many years, where there has not been a war somewhere in the world.

 

Pretty pathetic that people can't just get along and live in peace.

 

And stop exporting weapons to countries which are not fit to have them. ISIS are using American weapons and vehicles stolen from Iraq. Iraq was never left in a stable condition after the second war that toppled Saddam.

 

Please dont feed the troll

[unclebulgaria67]

Please dont feed the troll

 

You do it all the time !

[tobyjugg2]

You do it all the time !

 

LOL. used to. Stopped now

 

- except perhaps if he accidentally makes some relevant comment that warrants a response.

Unlikely.

[Conniff]

It's so amusing how some people can't take the truth about things how they always think they are right and everyone else is wrong. I'm the only forward thinking truth teller on here.

[tobyjugg2]

and Turkey sends in more 'free syrians'

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/18/hundreds-of-armed-rebels-cross-from-turkey-into-syria-says-monitor

[tobyjugg2]

and Turkey sends in more 'free syrians'

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/18/hundreds-of-armed-rebels-cross-from-turkey-into-syria-says-monitor

 

 

Anyone else think its rather strange that Turkey can get hundreds of Turkmen fighters through the border into Syria without issue when they cant get a small handful of US trained fighters through without the American trained fighters and equipment immediately 'falling' into the hands of al-nusra Turkmen terrorists?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Train_and_Equip_Program

 

"Seventy five Syrian rebels trained by the United States and its allies to fight Islamic State have entered northern Syria since Friday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Sunday, 20 September 2015. Reuters reported that Rami Abdulrahman, director of the Observatory, said the rebels had crossed into Syria from Turkey with 12 vehicles equipped with machine guns.

Soon afterwards however, there were reports that the group handed over their brand-new trucks, weapons and ammunition to the al Nusra Front, almost immediately after crossing the border back into Syria."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Train_and_Equip_Program#cite_note-12][/url]

 

 

 

and on a more positive note. The Russian and French airstrikes have hit ISIL hard - where it hurts

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/no-more-baby-bonuses-and-snickers-bars-budget-crunched-isil-slashes-salaries-and-perks-for-militants

[Conniff]

Must you continually quote some comic, don't you ever have anything to say for yourself ?

[tobyjugg2]

Quite an informative summary of the current issues and drivers

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/21/azaz-syria-turkey-russia-kurds

[tobyjugg2]

and Saudi Arabia confirms sending Jets to Turkey

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/02/14/Saudi-Arabia-confirms-sending-jets-to-Turkey-.html

 

Why is this significant?

 

1. Turkey and Saudi arabia are the real instigators of the conflict in Syria and both have ground fighters in Syria (some of the 'foreigners the syrian fighters refer to) who are being pounded by the Russians

 

2. The US withdrew its fighters and missile defense systems from Turkey after they shot down the Russian Jet. Saudi Arabia has more later model Typhoons and brimstones than the RAF has.

 

3. Both Turkey and Saudi Arabia are pressing for ground invasions into Syria to support their 'proxy; forces there.

 

4. Saudi Arabia is NOT a member of NATO, or even a MNNA, and has already had non-compulsory arms sanctions imposed by the EU. (Russia MAY feel free to shoot these out of the sky WHEN they attack the kurds and Assads forces in support of the Turkish and Saudi proxy forces - many of which are associated with ISIS)

[tobyjugg2]

Surprised theres been no comments on the SKY news ISIS documentation story ..

[AndyOrch]

Perhaps because this is a Consumer Forum TJ:-)

[tobyjugg2]

Perhaps because this is a Consumer Forum TJ:-)

 

Lets look forward to the day we can buy something from the Syrians then.

[unclebulgaria67]

Lets look forward to the day we can buy something from the Syrians then.

 

What products did Syria export before the war ?