Syria

[tobyjugg2]

No, it doesn't mean the camera is lying,

 

Exactly, it is evidence until proven otherwise

[Conniff]

Exactly, it is evidence until proven otherwise

 

Sorry, it is 'not' evidence. As I said before, those pictures could be from any time and any country so not proof at all.

[unclebulgaria67]

Sorry, it is 'not' evidence. As I said before, those pictures could be from any time and any country so not proof at all.

 

Agree. It is not proof, until it has been examined and proved to show what is being claimed.

 

If so many tankers are running between Syria and Turkey, there would be plenty of drone camera footage and many tankers would have been destroyed.

 

Or perhaps the various agencies are trying to track the oil shipments and see how the money is getting back to ISIS.

[tobyjugg2]

Then prove it false - should be easy if what you claim is true although you don't seem to consider any evidence as valid if it doesn't suit you.

The Yanks haven't - but go for it. - but do ensure that any claim is supported with something at least as good as:

+Video evidence (despite your poo-pooing that)

+ world-wide News reports including Reuters but generally excluding the BBC (despite your poo-pooing that)+

+Local reports

+Even white house briefings saying IS oil is going through Turkey (Ceyhan) (- But you would need to look at the maps and what col Warren doesn't say about the oil transporters they hit - where they were and the route E 90 they were taking.)

 

 

 

Here is a small extract from the UK's Greenwich University study on it. (its not a web page)

"Primary research points to a considerably active shadow network of crude oil smugglers and traders (see section 2.1, page 3), who channel ISIS crude to southeast Turkey from northeast Syria and northwest Iraq."

 

 

 

If you look deep enough you will see certain Kurdish involvement, and begin to understand why the Americans work with Kurds only reluctantly.

[Conniff]

I don't have to prove it false, it is up to the claimant to prove it true. I'm not saying it isn't happening and these are tankers are not delivering to Turkey, all I'm saying is never believe anything that comes from the mouth of Russia.

[tobyjugg2]

I don't have to prove it false, it is up to the claimant to prove it true.

 

They have, so you do to have any credibility.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/30/l-todd-wood-iraq-turkey-buying-isis-oil/

[Conniff]

Sorry, but that link is just to a report, an accusation nothing more.

[Conniff]

 

 

Gosh, look at all those tankers going into Turkey

[tobyjugg2]

It would need to be reported in more places than Conniffs' Cameron Network News. (CCNN)

[buckthorn]

Wooooo! Conniff all those oil tankers, that's worth a few quid to IS.

Are they all going into Turkey?

[Conniff]

It would need to be reported in more places than Conniffs' Cameron Network News. (CCNN)

 

Like the tj book of fairytales.

 

Wooooo! Conniff all those oil tankers, that's worth a few quid to IS.

Are they all going into Turkey?

 

Not so much now, it's dropped to $30 for a barrels.

[tobyjugg2]

Like the tj book of fairytales.

the reports I refer are reported in the main news channels though - what about yours?

 

 

Not so much now, it's dropped to $30 for a barrels.

Half price sale ongoing in Turkey

 

No wonder IS got upset with them when they only offered $15 a barrel.

[Conniff]

How do you know they were only offered $15 per barrel?

Still a lot of money if you count those tankers.

[tobyjugg2]

How do you know they were only offered $15 per barrel?

Still a lot of money if you count those tankers.

 

You surely don't think Turkey would pay full price for IS black market oil do you?

Even I dont think Turkey is supporting IS just because they believe in the IS cause.

[Conniff]

So guessing games again.

 

If you put money into someones hand then you must be supporting them.

 

Anyway, they won't get $15 per barrel for those tankers, they are poo tankers in Dubai.

[tobyjugg2]

So guessing games again.

 

If you put money into someones hand then you must be supporting them.

 

Anyway, they won't get $15 per barrel for those tankers, they are poo tankers in Dubai.

 

 

I was referring to the real ones I referenced as shown on many news outlets - not your tanker loads of Baloney.

Edited January 14, 2016 by tobyjugg2
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[Conniff]

I thought they were your tankers, they are full of the same thing you talk.

[AndyOrch]

Getting silly this children...refrain or Ill start cutting.

[tobyjugg2]

The recent Turkish bombing which Turkey is laying at the feet of ISIS warrants further examination, particularly as although it is very broadly 'in keeping' with what ISIS would do, there are a number of strange aspects, not least of which is that IS have not claimed it.

 

Here is a good start - read carefully.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/turkey-istanbul-suicide-bombing-isil-160112155230724.html

[mikeymack2002]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35337440

[tobyjugg2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35337440

Concise summary of the siege situation. Thank You.

[tobyjugg2]

And heres a CNN report which also raises many issues with the Turkey bombings when read carefully.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/middleeast/turkey-ankara-bomb-blast/

[Conniff]

That's old news - "Updated 1934 GMT (0234 HKT) October 12, 2015" and just like your other posts, is only guesswork and speculation, it tells no one anything.

 

Either come up with something concrete or stop trolling this section.

[tobyjugg2]

That's old news - "Updated 1934 GMT (0234 HKT) October 12, 2015" and just like your other posts, is only guesswork and speculation, it tells no one anything.

 

Either come up with something concrete or stop trolling this section.

 

I'm not going to respond in kind to your trolling Conniff, just like I'm not going to respond anymore to your trolling my PM's but I will point out the following

 

My posts above are relevant as they give further background from a reputable source on the situation with bomb attacks in Turkey, which initially Turkey claim are from 'Syria'. There is another on the news at the moment.

 

I would suggest you also support your rhetoric with some reputable support, lest you be even further demonstrated to be the thread derailing troll you accuse others of being.

[tobyjugg2]

and Israel formally adds its voice to the statements that Turkey is buying ISIS oil and supporting ISIS.

Even the BBC is reporting it - albeit very 'quietly for such a massive issue.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35415956

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-israel-turkey-idUSKCN0V421N

 

 

 

 

 

and interesting 'perspective'

http://www.defenseone.com/news/2015/09/allen-quits-isis-war-envoy-job-one-year-after-calling-groups-destruction/121706/