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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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She suffers from panic attacks and has never worked due to being on the sick. She has 3 children one under 2. She has a partner but Ingeus or JC has told her it is up to her to go to work not him.

My Dad has just got off the phone from my sister because she has an appointment today.

She can't go in because her boyfriend has gone out knowing she had an appointment and left her with her son. Ingeus has moaned at her because she can't come in, but they also moan at her because she has to bring in her son.

 

She can't work, has no expirence. Her boyfriend would rather go drinking with friends a few times a week then look after their children. What can she do? She was denied PIP.

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She suffers from panic attacks and has never worked due to being on the sick. She has 3 children one under 2. She has a partner but Ingeus or JC has told her it is up to her to go to work not him.

 

 

Which programme has she been referred to ?

Does she currently claim JSA, ESA, or IS ?

 

The fact that one child is under two years of age means that she can volunteer for the Work Programme (and most of the other DWP funded schemes). "Volunteering" means she can not be mandated to take part by the JCP or Ingeus. However, depending on which provision she has been "volunteered" for, participation may be mandatory once she has signed up.

 

Knowing which claimant group and the programme she has been referred to will help us point you to the correct DWP issued guidance documents.

 

Best advice is not to volunteer or be bullied in to participating - Most of these schemes fail to provide any worthwhile support or help and are only really intended to pander to the whims of IDS and DM readers.

 

Edit: The Work Programme may just be what the boyfriend needs to kick him in to touch with reality and his responsibilities :!:

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Oh dear casper, you and your family must be the unluckiest people alive.

 

Who is making the claim or are they not living together?

 

I can't see her been made to go to ingeus with a two year old .

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She's on ESA and has sick notes sent to whereever they must go. I don't know why she has to get them. She's been sent to Ingeus and not him, he was working but quit. She can't exactly work because she has to look after her two daughters after 3pm, whilst he can because sometimes he can't cope with the children.

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She's on ESA and has sick notes sent to whereever they must go. I don't know why she has to get them. She's been sent to Ingeus and not him' date=' he was working but quit. She can't exactly work because she has to look after her two daughters after 3pm, whilst he can because sometimes he can't cope with the children.[/quote']

 

Can you tell us which ESA group please, as asked by Mr P? Is it the Support Group or WRAG, the work-related one?

 

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I don't know, she only been made to go to Ingeus a few months back, think the beginning of the year. They know she suffers from panic attacks and wanted her to have on infront of them to prove that she suffers from it. It must be the none working one because she wasn't made to go to these work programmes before.

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If she has been on ESA for so long I am surprised that she hasn't been assigned a group. My understanding is that once assessed you do not need to send in sick notes (or fit notes as they are now called). It may help if you tell us which part of the country she is in as different areas have different procedures.

 

She will have to be careful as if she was claiming an income related benefit while her boyfriend was living with her they could frown on that. Could you not help with the childcare to make things easier for her

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We live in East Anglia, I am looking for work and have my own appointments sometimes so can't always look after my nephew. I do pick up my nieces from school if she has an appointment at Ingeus and she can sometimes let their grandmother look after him.

Been told she's on ESA back to work which she shouldn't be on.

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This is coming from my dad so not sure. I thought they would ask her boyfriend to go to Ingeus instead of her' date=' and they sometimes ask her to go at akward times like close to 3pm. Silly her she sometimes goes.[/quote']

 

I'm sorry, Casper, I think it's going to be difficult to advise on third hand information. Your sister must have letters from the DWP that say which group she's in, we need to know this because as Mr P says, the rules are different for each group.

 

As I understand it, your sister and her partner are treated separately for claims, so what Ingeus are asking her to do doesn't apply to her BF.

 

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Paragraph 22 of Chapter 2 of the Work Programme Provider Guidance:

 

22. ESA Lone parent on the Work Programme with a child or children under the age of 13 can only be required to participate in the Work Programme during the child's normal school hours. It is important to ensure that you have regard to this restriction when mandating them to an activity. They cannot be mandated to carry out Work Related Activity outside of the child's normal school hours.

 

No ifs, no buts. This means that the sister need not make herself available at the WP establishment until she has dropped her child off at school or wherever else she needs to leave them. She is also entitled to leave the WP establishment in plenty of time to be able to pick her children back up.

 

Taking that paragraph literally would suggest that since there are no school hours during school holiday times then there is no requirement to participate in the work programme during those times.

 

This obviously refers to the WRAG group since the Support Group don't need to be there in the first place if they don't want to.

 

Sounds like the partner is a selfish and inconsiderate waste of space.

 

 

By the way, I thought that DWP/WP are responsible for arranging child care facilities and/or paying child minding costs for mothers with small children who are mandated onto schemes like WP.

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Doesn't having a pre school child exempt you anyway?

 

As HB says, until there is a definitive answer to the questions and not just 2nd hand info it is impossible to give accurate advice.

 

If you are in WRAG don't they remove the need for sick notes, I know they did with me.

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Doesn't having a pre school child exempt you anyway?

 

As HB says, until there is a definitive answer to the questions and not just 2nd hand info it is impossible to give accurate advice.

 

If you are in WRAG don't they remove the need for sick notes, I know they did with me.

I thought I read that somewhere too Fletch.

 

Paragraph 22 as quoted is straight out of the DWP's own Guidance. It is not second hand information. There is no reason to doubt its veracity. Answers to any other questions are irrelevant as far as the point at issue is concerned.

 

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The Jobcentre just don't understand people's background do they. Could they instead of her going into Ingus call her by fone? My mate has panic attacks and they were ok when they had an interview with him to do this by phone.

 

Also I totally agree with MR P on Volunteering and that it SHOULD be ur choice if u want to or not. To me it will never make a difference. I have been on Income support for 6 years now and they send me on pointless courses and they DO nothing either! :(

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They know about her background she has told them about her children. She was forced to go to the JC when she was several weeks pregnant with her son. They knew she was suffering from morining sickness but requested her to come to the JC. She threw up everywhere.

 

She is full carer to the children, the father goes out whenever he likes. So it should be him going to work. He was working around the time my nephew was born. But it lasted a few weeks due to bullying-I don't know if he was telling the truth.

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How can they possibly make her work? Can she actually cancel Ingeus appointments? I need to tell her something that cab help.

 

As an ESA claimant, she can not be forced to apply for, or take up work.

As for cancelling appointments, that depends on exactly which claimant group she falls in to. Please have a read of: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/394681/wp-pg-chapter-2.pdf (assuming she is on the Work Programme).

 

Also check any appointment letters for the all important phrases "Please note that if you do not undertake the activities required in this notification your benefit could be affected" and "This activity forms part of your work-related activity action plan".

 

Note: As an ESA claimant, she has the right to ask for a reconsideration of any "activity" that she feels is inappropriate to her circumstances or health condition.

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