Death of democracy in the UK

[osdset]

On Monday, something happened in the House of Commons that should cause electors to wonder what parliament is for. The motion before the house was that “a commission of inquiry be established to investigate the impact of the government’s welfare reforms on the incidence of poverty”. At the vote the government was defeated by 125 votes to two. The result: nothing at all – it wasn’t reported and the government is ignoring it.

http://www.michaelmeacher.info/weblo...of-parliament/

 

So we have what is virtually a Conservative led coalition dictatorship, accountable to no one including the members of it's own house. A government that thinks nothing of retrospectively changing legislation to suit it's own agenda.

 

If the public understood more transparently how the corrupting influence of patronage actually works, how the power system turns everything to its own advantage, and how the genuine objectives of democratic elections are so readily thwarted, a lot of these unedifying practices would have to be curbed.

 

Quite Mr Meacher, unfortunately the public are only too willing to have the wool pulled over their eyes by this unelected government who's actions have no democratic mandate at all.

[renegadeimp]

Not surptusibg gicen the current government was unelected. And look after big business only.

[Annie71]

Not surptusibg gicen the current government was unelected. And look after big business only.

 

you can say that about any government.

 

Actually agree or not they were elected by the system that we have in place.

Are Labour really any different, I dont think so

[Consumer dude]

If the current government was unelected, the laws they pass must be unlawful. Just a thought..

[renegadeimp]

Not really. As the system allows an unelected political part to take power. At least we dont have the system like America does. That is broken beyond belief.

[Consumer dude]

Where is the rules laid down for that ?

[renegadeimp]

It;s sad things like this happen, yet NOTHING is reported in the media about it

 

 

[Consumer dude]

Plutocracy springs to mind..

[renegadeimp]

Where is the rules laid down for that ?

 

It's happened many many times over the last few hundred years. I dont know the exact law, but it is lawful.

[Consumer dude]

Does anyone else out there know ?

[citizenB]

Does anyone else out there know ?

 

Know what ?

 

The government currently occupying No 10 etc were elected so not sure what the question is ??

[Old Cogger]

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[Old Cogger]

Under the Authority of H.H. Queen. PMs are asked to form Government!

[renegadeimp]

Know what ?

 

The government currently occupying No 10 etc were elected so not sure what the question is ??

 

Elected using a rather suspect system yes.

[osdset]

Know what ?

 

The government currently occupying No 10 etc were elected so not sure what the question is ??

I beg to differ, show me one single person that voted for a Conservative/LibDem coalition?

[Consumer dude]

Under the Authority of H.H. Queen. PMs are asked to form Government!

 

So they were asked to form government by a non elected third party ?

Edited January 18, 2014 by citizenB

[renegadeimp]

I beg to differ, show me one single person that voted for a Conservative/LibDem coalition?

 

Nobody did, but the system allowed for it. Hwoever, Cam-moron seems to think it is a conservative government and NOT a coalition one. Thats why he has been doing basically whatever he wants, and milliband and his bunch of merry muppets are too cowardly to do anything about it. Get a vote of no confidence in and lets get early elections rolling.

[osdset]

Nobody did, but the system allowed for it. Hwoever, Cam-moron seems to think it is a conservative government and NOT a coalition one. Thats why he has been doing basically whatever he wants, and milliband and his bunch of merry muppets are too cowardly to do anything about it. Get a vote of no confidence in and lets get early elections rolling.

 

It matters not who runs the country if the government of the day can simply ignore it's own house, as Mr Meacher wrote.

 

There is a major constitutional issue here. The government arbitrarily takes the view that unless it is defeated on its own business – almost impossible – all other votes are regarded as advisory and set aside. This will begin to matter when there is a public petition which gains enough signatures to secure the right to a debate in parliament and then, if the government loses, nothing happens.

[renegadeimp]

The conservatives are one of the worst parties to get in power. Sure, NONE of the others are above reproach, but just check the history of the conservatives and who they REALLY represent. It definitely isnt the common person. Sadly, most parties are like this too, and it seems that unless you are already a millionaire and can buy your way into power, then nothing will ever change. Just look at the people from normal society that tries to become an MP. They get shot down fast by other MP's and laughed at.

 

PM's question time is another example. It's like a school playground in there. No actual discussion takes place. It's all about "we're better than you nah nah nah", instead of focusing on the real problems, and ignoring the petty squabbles in government.

[Conniff]

I don't think the meaning of the coalition is being grasped.

 

 

The conservative party won more seats than any of the other parties but less that the other parties put together. So that makes the Tory Party the winner.

 

 

As they have less seats than the other parties combined, they could either call another election or ask one of the other parties to join them. If they tried to make legislation as a minority then the chances are they would be ganged up on by the other parties and not get anything through so be forced to call an election.

 

 

They can, however, ask one of the other parties to join them in doing what they would hope to get the country back on it's feet. The Libs said yes because they have less chance of winning an election than I have of winning the Lottery, the Eurolottery and the Thunderball in the same week.

 

 

Libs agreed to come in with the Tories if they could have some of their policies brought in. They don't get them all but won't break away from the coalition as the position that Clegg is in as Deputy PM will bring him a bigger pension.

 

 

Further into this year I think you will start to see cracks opening up between them as it draws closer to the election.

 

 

As for the Queen asking to form a government, that is just tradition now, she couldn't stop the majority party forming the government even if she wanted to.

[steampowered]

Its important to understand that the legislature (parliament) and the government are not the same thing. They are fundamentally different and have separate roles.

 

 

The role of the legislature is to pass laws. The role of government is to run the country. Parliament can decide to hold a vote on how the country is run but unless that vote takes the form of primary legislation it is not binding.

 

 

This is why most sensible countries have separate elections for the government and separate elections for the legislature. Under our political system we do not elect governments and we never have. You elect an MP, the leader of the largest party becomes the Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister appoints the government.

[estellyn]

Its important to understand that the legislature (parliament) and the government are not the same thing. They are fundamentally different and have separate roles.

 

 

The role of the legislature is to pass laws. The role of government is to run the country. Parliament can decide to hold a vote on how the country is run but unless that vote takes the form of primary legislation it is not binding.

 

 

This is why most sensible countries have separate elections for the government and separate elections for the legislature. Under our political system we do not elect governments and we never have. You elect an MP, the leader of the largest party becomes the Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister appoints the government.

 

 

Most people's votes, in practice, don't count. If you live in a 'safe' seat, it makes no difference what you vote. Only those living in marginals have any chance of influencing who their MP is.

 

 

There is no democracy.

Edited January 18, 2014 by estellyn

[Conniff]

As long as it's not the bloke with the flat nose and the bird poo on his head, you know the one, the dingbat who is going to split up the banks..

[Conniff]

I've just read this - this is really shocking:

Britain’s overseas aid programme is a shambles and an insult to the British taxpayer. The latest astonishing fact to be revealed is that we are forking out £2 million a year to Argentina-of all countries!

Almost on a daily basis, Argentina are making warlike threats to Britain over the Falkland Islands. Indeed only a couple of weeks ago, Argentina’s Foreign Minister, Hector Timerman, accused Britain of the “colonial and military occupation of Argentine territory”.

More ...

Edited January 18, 2014 by Conniff

[chrissm19]

Just a small piece from an article i read not long ago.

 

The UK Parliament agreed in the European Communities Act 1972 that the UK would accept all legislation adopted in the EU, and the decisions of the European Court of Justice, without any further action by Parliament to implement them being necessary and that the rights and obligations created by such decisions would be enforceable in UK law. And further... if Parliament were to legislate to overthrow an EU measure, (which they are doing) the European Court of Justice would rule this action illegal or invalid as possibly the UK courts would too. If the Government of the day, supported by Parliament, refused to comply, there would be a major crisis and, failing a compromise, Britain would find itself on a path which would lead to withdrawl.

 

The EU is hardly democratic.