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Maybe more are sent to Ingeus so that they can be sanctioned and thus lose their benefits and each one reduces the benefits that way?

 

Not a maybe.....I would say it's a given.

 

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The way I read the DWP Provider guide was:-

 

The initial interview to see a WPP can be mandatory for all groups.

 

This interview is to discuss participation on the WP

 

It is in this interview a voluntary group can accept a place on the WP if they so wish.

 

But for both groups both mandatory and those voluntary agreeing to participate the next interview is the start of your actual WP attendance and therefore is now mandatory.

 

Do you get what I mean your initial interview that is mandatory does not mandate you onto the work program if you are voluntary. It's only if you agree to attend the WP here that your status changes and that applies to the next interview which starts your mandatory participation in the WP.

 

 

p.s. Sanctioning when on the WP

 

THe DWP guidance and notes state that the WPP has to notify them of all and anything no matter how small with zero discretion being exercised by the WPP in this process. THis is because it is the DWP who decide sanctions not the WPP and a failure by them to notify risks them not being able to sanction in a timely manner! You could get a job and sign off before you are financially punished etc. It actually says this :lol:

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Seems that you have been caught in a time trap! If you weren't already mandated onto the WP then you couldn't be mandated. However since you were mandated they will argue that you can't escape!

 

And DWP are not supposed to sanction, but can I trust them not to sanction automatically and then have to argue to rescind their automatic erroneous decision? Arghhhh.....

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Hi folks,

 

I had my first appointment with Ingeus this week. It resembled more a car crash than anything constructive.

 

Immediately I was asked for sensitive personal data in an environment that was not private. "Do you have a criminal record?". I refused to give them any personal information other than what the job centre had forwarded (my name and address). My 'adviser' then told me I "was obliged by law" to give him both my telephone number and my email address. I asked him to spell it out several times that against my will he was saying he had the powers to make me surrender my personal details and he asserted himself firmly that this was the case. "Ingeus have been mandated with the authority the same as the job center. You have to give me your email address" he stated. He then threatened me with a sanction if I didnt hand over email address!! So within 10 minutes of my first appointment i'm treatened with a sanction (which would leave me the same as a lot of people have said before in this thread... homeless and destitute) for exercising my right under UK law to protect my data.

 

Satisfied that he wasn't going to acquire my email address from me he demanded my mobile phone number. Which, summarily I refused to part with too. He told me again that the law dictated that I surrender (against my will in this case) my mobile telephone number to him. I told him again of my belief that he had no authority to make such demands and I requested to see the written evidence that this private company I'd never heard of before had exemptions from all UK laws regarding personal data. I wanted to read about a law that empowered this man to have more power over me than a police officer does in the street. He was delighted at this prospect and skipped off to a cupboard.

 

"These are the documents about you having to give us information" he said nonchalantly launching the 5 sheets of paper across the desk. I could see his head sink when it became evident after a few moments that I was reading them. Not what I was expecting and he can't of read properly the 'consent to share information' and 'information disclosure' he just handed me. The information disclosure' document basicly said they abided by the data protection act and so humbly requested my data. The penultimate statement of that form states "Please be aware that not signing this form will not affect your benefits or your access to this programme". Speaks for itself... The Data Protection Act applies to them too. They do not, as my advisor stated, have any sort of exemption or powers to enable them to punish you for exercising your right to withhold from them your personal details and 'sensitive data'.

 

Then the 'consent to share information' form is a joke and I urge no one to sign it. By signing that form you allow Ingues to call your 'future employer' whenever they want to inquire about such things as "The number of hours you work", "the amount of your earnings each week", "the dates of your employment". Which is something I do not want to share with them. Luckily as they are requesting something to which they are not by law entitled to without my permission, again, the form has an advice at the end. It reads:

 

"entitlement to these benefits will not depend on whether I choose to give consent or not.

My placement on any programme with Ingeus UK Limited and 'Delivery Partners' (the ambiguously unspecified 'Delivery Partners')

I can withdraw my consent at any time by writing....."

 

I use the material he handed me as reference and I point the small matter of the law standing in the way of his attempted illegal theft of my personal data.

 

He points out that I haven't read the bit that says I must surrender my telephone number! That's on the 'Ingeus Expectations' document. He points his finger into the page and I start reading.

 

"As it is a condition of your receipt of JSA that you are available for work, you must have your mobile phone switched on and with you at all times during office hours".

 

"You see?" he inquired. Simple rebuff to such idiocy "my phone will be on.... its just that you wont be able to ring it"

 

It was then pointed out to me that 99.9% of people were happy to give that information away. He tried to force the issue again. I can quote him as saying that my actions might be judged to be sabotaging my job search and, again, this may cause my JSA to be terminated. so, in a nut shell, trying to bully me into handing over my data against my will.

 

I then told him in no uncertain terms that he was not getting my personal data off me and that we were just going around in circles. He turned to his computer and stated that the job centre would be informed of my refusal to complete the forms and surrender data. He told me to speak with the job centre about my concerns and then i was to return a week later and repeat the process (and I can assure everyone that it very much will be a case of repeating that process).

 

To conclude. It struck me very similar to a high pressure sales pitch by a lying, manipulating cheating salesman who would not take no for an answer. I feel very much that been told that Ingeus has a 'government mandate' giving this man the authority to say he is except from the law is sickening. We know why they want specifically my contact details and my personal data it is so they can ensure their own financial gain.

 

and this is the bottom line of it all for me regarding his conduct:

 

If he knew Ingeus did not have the exemptions he stated they did when he said he did then he is in breach of TWO sections of the 2006 Fraud Act

 

Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading

 

Fraud by abuse of position

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) occupies a position in which he is expected to safeguard, or not to act

against, the financial interests of another person,

(b) dishonestly abuses that position, and

© intends, by means of the abuse of that position—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A person may be regarded as having abused his position even though his

conduct consisted of an omission rather than an act.

 

I think by anyone's standard if you threaten someone with effectively making them homeless and possibly starve unless you submit to an illegal demand is an abuse of position and there is no doubt it was a series of 'false representations'.

 

This is a company dealing with lots of vulnerable people and it makes me angry to think others who do not know their rights are are been deceived and bullied into handing over personal data that they do not have to. Fraud does not have to be just about stealing money... and the theft does not have to have taken place it is still fraud even if the [problem] fails.... therefore this is fraud!

 

Thank you for listening.... Next episode Monday! :/

 

I went to Ingeus as part of a group one day and we were given a log in name and password for their site. The guy in charge said that we should log in then change our passwords but I can't find any way of doing so. I also read ingeus site which claims they don't know if you look at the site yet when I attended an appointment last week the interviwer seemed to know I hadn't looked at the site for a few weeks!They lied to me they are spying on people.l

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I went to Ingeus as part of a group one day and we were given a log in name and password for their site. The guy in charge said that we should log in then change our passwords but I can't find any way of doing so. I also read ingeus site which claims they don't know if you look at the site yet when I attended an appointment last week the interviwer seemed to know I hadn't looked at the site for a few weeks!They lied to me they are spying on people.l

The pleb more than likely looked at the date and time stamp on your record which indicated when you would have signed on to your account - or they simply threw an accusation into a discussion.

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hi can any one give me any advice on these ingeus mob !! i have to see them again after 3 months in full employment,,,what are my rights with them!!! ive been with them since october 2011 ,,

If you are in full employment you can afford to ignore them! What can they do - threaten to sanction you when you're not on JSA any more! I do hope you haven't told them where you're working or given them permission to contact your employer.

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If you are in full employment you can afford to ignore them! What can they do - threaten to sanction you when you're not on JSA any more! I do hope you haven't told them where you're working or given them permission to contact your employer.

 

It's probably the reason why they want him to come in.

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Hi this is my first post here (even though I've been reading for months) I attend the Nottingham office and my advisor put me up for an interview with bombardier trains (despite me telling her it would be hard for me to commute every day 4 buses there 4 buses back, shift starts at 7am first bus doesn't leave my area till 6am derby is hour away from me) Anyway it's the prescreen interview on Thursday at the derby office. Just wondered if any of you have experienced this before with the company as I have no idea what to expect and neither does my advisor to be fair.

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I am not sure where you get this idea - if you have a source please quote it. Otherwise I would work on the assumption that you can be mandated to do just about anything "reasonable" to improve your job chances. I think any Decision Maker would consider interview practice "reasonable".

 

Feb 1st,updated ,Guidance to work program providers .The DWP has instructed all work program providers to obtain written consent from participants ,to ensure they (providers ) comply with with the DATA PROTECTION ACT. ref:consent.me.uk .

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I was just preparing to go to my fortnightly 1 hour job search at Ingeus.

 

I just re-read the letter with my 9 appointments listed on it. I have been

to the first three appointments, but just realised that nowhere on the letter

does it state that these appointments are Mandatory and failing to attend could

affect my benefits.

 

I presume in this case, if I do not go to any on these appointments from now

on they can't do anything that would affect my JSA, apart from sending me

a new letter stating that the appointments are Mandatory.

 

I'd appreciate anyone's opinion about this.

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I was just preparing to go to my fortnightly 1 hour job search at Ingeus.

 

I just re-read the letter with my 9 appointments listed on it. I have been

to the first three appointments, but just realised that nowhere on the letter

does it state that these appointments are Mandatory and failing to attend could

affect my benefits.

 

I presume in this case, if I do not go to any on these appointments from now

on they can't do anything that would affect my JSA, apart from sending me

a new letter stating that the appointments are Mandatory.

 

I'd appreciate anyone's opinion about this.

At first glance I see 2 things wrong:

1.. As you say there is no mention of the consequences of non attendance. and

2. The MAN (if that's what it's supposed to be) has more than one activity (in fact 9!). I think that there is only supposed to be one activity per MAN.

Both could be used successfully as arguments in contesting a sanction doubt,

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At first glance I see 2 things wrong:

1.. As you say there is no mention of the consequences of non attendance. and

2. The MAN (if that's what it's supposed to be) has more than one activity (in fact 9!). I think that there is only supposed to be one activity per MAN.

Both could be used successfully as arguments in contesting a sanction doubt,

 

Bakatcha, thank you for the reply. I think I am OK not to attend, I guess I will find out if there are any

consequences after today, as I will not be attending.

 

I do have another letter from them requiring me to attend an Effective Job Search Workshop in 2 weeks and that does state that it's a Mandatory appointment. I have a further question regarding this appointment, but will post it later today.

 

Many thanks for your reply, I appreciate it very much.

 

Tez

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Hi, new to the Forums but ive been following this thread ever since i was mandated to the WP last august. I attend the center in Chesterfield.

I have to say that while i disagree with the entire Program, the advisor i have been given is pretty nice. I have to attend each 2 weeks, because of my distance (I Live in Ripley which is a 45 min bus + walking times), and each appointment is generally just a catch-up on how my jobsearch has been going and if she has any new information on courses etc to offer me. So far i havent been *forced* to do much but, im getting an advisor change next month, and by everyone elses reports of their advisors im getting slightly worried i might get a very nasty one.

 

My question is:

Has anyone yet been brave enough to threaten Ingues? what i mean is, if they tell you that you MUST attend a workshop or something, what would happen if you say: If you force me to attend this workshop i will withdraw the right for you to use/share my data, and i will keep it hidden from you when i finally find a job.

 

I see 2 ways this could turn out: They could either agree with what i say and not force me into anything further, under fear that they wont receive their commision or whatever it is that they get.

 

Or: they could call my bluff and say that if i dont attend they will just sanction me, even if i then remove permissions and dont tell them when i find a job, i will still be sanctioned and in trouble financially.

 

 

If i were to say this to them, is there anything they can actually do? Could they sanction me for making the threat? And if not, and they make concessions to me, could i get in trouble with the JCP?

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My question is:

Has anyone yet been brave enough to threaten Ingues? what i mean is, if they tell you that you MUST attend a workshop or something, what would happen if you say: If you force me to attend this workshop i will withdraw the right for you to use/share my data, and i will keep it hidden from you when i finally find a job.

 

I see 2 ways this could turn out: They could either agree with what i say and not force me into anything further, under fear that they wont receive their commision or whatever it is that they get.

 

Or: they could call my bluff and say that if i dont attend they will just sanction me, even if i then remove permissions and dont tell them when i find a job, i will still be sanctioned and in trouble financially.

 

 

If i were to say this to them, is there anything they can actually do? Could they sanction me for making the threat? And if not, and they make concessions to me, could i get in trouble with the JCP?

 

Yeah, I have :wink: - Not Ingeus but another WP provider.(i2i)

I've told them I think the whole thing is a farce and they're best to just leave me alone to carry on my usual job search. I've said that at the first threat of a sanction there won't be a hope in hell I'll let them know where I'm working should I get a job (said all this in a group session too, not a 1 to 1) and said I won't be telling DWP either.

There doesn't appear to have been consequences to doing this; In fact I don't think they've taken any notice t.b.h. They keep spurting the same old BS at me.

You know, it's quite difficult being awkward with them sometimes because so far all the advisors I've had (different one each time) have been really nice...lol

 

I've also threatened them with withdrawing my consent under data protection etc, but I've not done it yet. I'm saving that moment :lol:

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Yeah, I have :wink: - Not Ingeus but another WP provider.(i2i)

I've told them I think the whole thing is a farce and they're best to just leave me alone to carry on my usual job search. I've said that at the first threat of a sanction there won't be a hope in hell I'll let them know where I'm working should I get a job (said all this in a group session too, not a 1 to 1) and said I won't be telling DWP either.

There doesn't appear to have been consequences to doing this; In fact I don't think they've taken any notice t.b.h. They keep spurting the same old BS at me.

You know, it's quite difficult being awkward with them sometimes because so far all the advisors I've had (different one each time) have been really nice...lol

 

I've also threatened them with withdrawing my consent under data protection etc, but I've not done it yet. I'm saving that moment :lol:

 

Thanks for the reply :)

 

So you theatened them but you still attended, or you stopped attending ?

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Thanks for the reply :)

 

So you theatened them but you still attended, or you stopped attending ?

 

I would not advise refusing to attend anything a person is mandated to attend by a WP provider. By all means threaten withdrawal of DPA consent, or indeed actually do so. But if you're required to do something, I'd strongly suggest you do it and complain later if necessary.

 

This, of course, assumes that you've received the appropriate MAN.

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I was just preparing to go to my fortnightly 1 hour job search at Ingeus.

 

I just re-read the letter with my 9 appointments listed on it. I have been

to the first three appointments, but just realised that nowhere on the letter

does it state that these appointments are Mandatory and failing to attend could

affect my benefits.

 

I presume in this case, if I do not go to any on these appointments from now

on they can't do anything that would affect my JSA, apart from sending me

a new letter stating that the appointments are Mandatory.

 

I'd appreciate anyone's opinion about this.

 

Seem's I may have screwed up. I didn't attend today's appointment

(my decision entirely).

 

Had an email from a forum member saying I do have to attend,

so I'm concerned they may in fact raise a Sanction Doubt.

 

Would appreciate anymore input anyone can offer.

 

Many Thanks

 

Tez

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Seem's I may have screwed up. I didn't attend today's appointment

(my decision entirely).

 

Had an email from a forum member saying I do have to attend,

so I'm concerned they may in fact raise a Sanction Doubt.

 

Would appreciate anymore input anyone can offer.

 

Many Thanks

 

Tez

I think you're correct in your earlier post when you said 'nowhere on the letter

does it state that these appointments are Mandatory and failing to attend could

affect my benefits.'

According to WP provider gudiance ( http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/provider-guidance/work-programme-provider.shtml ) (mandation-chapter3a) - the 'Required wording' is

“If you do not undertake the activities required in this notification your benefit could be affected”

 

If that's not there - no sanction.

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When i first got offered to do a workshop i agreed because i wanted to show that i am motivated, but when i returned she tried to say i didn't attend when i did, then she said she wants to put me on more, she actually wanted to put me on a, anger management, anxiety, confidence, depression work shop which was just laughable, my adviser was a bully, but now i am being referred onto another adviser because she got laid off.

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When i first got offered to do a workshop i agreed because i wanted to show that i am motivated, but when i returned she tried to say i didn't attend when i did, then she said she wants to put me on more, she actually wanted to put me on a, anger management, anxiety, confidence, depression work shop which was just laughable, my adviser was a bully, but now i am being referred onto another adviser because she got laid off.

 

Female ingeus / jobcentre advisers are always the most cruel / bitchy, the authority goes straight to their heads, I've noticed

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