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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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So who's going to write in and complain? On proper a headed letter so it looks all official and legally binding, of course. :D

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on a serouis note people i seen this petition on another tread and since this is a more trafficed tread than this one i thought i would plug it. its a

petition approved by No 10 ie to regulate experian/equifax and the other over-powerful/power-abusing credit reference agencies in the UK
please pop over and sign it http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/credit-reference-agencies/175435-please-sign-petition-regulate.html could be a hudge victory for all us at cag

 

We could aslo get Number 10 Downing Street to get a petition for ourselves to get tougher regulations imposed on the dca' Introduction to e-petitions | Number10.gov.uk

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I'd put this thread on prescriptions for debt/depression.

If I could.

CAG in entirety as treatment.

This thread for emergencies.

 

Prescriptions cost money, this thread doesn't. :D

 

Be nice if anyone out there could help with video's/graphics/music, etc. A few of us have done our best so far, and would like to do more. But there is a limit to how much funny stuff we can churn out. If you like what we have done so far and want to join in send a PM. All we need is a bit of musical talent, or skilled at photoshop/animation/video camera/editing. Don't be afraid of not being good enough, every bit of help counts.

 

If you want to join the crew in this threads funny multimedia, get in touch. The pay is crap, but the moral rewards and green blobs/ satisfaction of helping others beat the DCA'S in 2009 are worth it.

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Hi FuzzyBobble, trying to pm you ref post 4459, but you be all full up with pm's, I'll try again in a minute:)

Capquest - No cca yet - OC sent what they think is a CCA - account on hold - no contact since

 

Lewis - Lost their tongue after cca request:roll: -

Now in default of my CCA request - still no contact since:D

 

Fredrickson - No cca yet - Now in default of my request - now stopped contact with me:rolleyes: **UPDATE** April - Sent back £1 p/o and gave up!!!!!!!!!!

 

1ST Credit - CCA request sent - now stopped contact with me

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Hi FuzzyBobble, trying to pm you ref post 4459, but you be all full up with pm's, I'll try again in a minute:)

 

Freed up some space now. Didn't realise my inbox was so full. :D oops lol.

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on a serouis note people i seen this petition on another tread and since this is a more trafficed tread than this one i thought i would plug it. its a

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petition approved by No 10 ie to regulate experian/equifax and the other over-powerful/power-abusing credit reference agencies in the UK

please pop over and sign it Please sign petition to regulate experian et al could be a hudge victory for all us at cag

 

Thanks for this link, jobmid. I've just signed this petition and it desperately needs more signatures, so please go there everyone and get signing.:D

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Spurred on by this thread i just had an interesting chat with someone from Halifax. He thought i should give him all my details and i thought i shouldnt!!!!! But instead I asked him if he wanted to discuss the recent Halifax Phone Harrassment case but he didnt seem to understand it, so (being as it was wasting his time and i was stirring my tea) i gave him an overview and then asked if he wanted a more detailed description. Duhhhhhh......he then said i could have a nice day! How sweet of him. One to me!

 

Happy new year all

 

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Prescriptions cost money, this thread doesn't. :D

 

Only in England. If you live in Wales or Scotland they're free, courtesy of English taxpayers.

 

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Only in England. If you live in Wales or Scotland they're free, courtesy of English taxpayers.

 

Fred

 

And only 3 quid in Northern Ireland.

 

Still with Comrade Broon on the slips now its only a matter of time befor Dave Snooty and the Tories abolish them altogether.

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Only in England. If you live in Wales or Scotland they're free, courtesy of English taxpayers.

 

Fred

 

Now that bothers me, I wasn't aware of this - quite seriously, I'm out of work, no benefits, but still have to pay for medicines, of which I need 8 different items a month! OK, so I buy a pre-pay card, but it's still costing me when so many are getting freebies...

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Now that bothers me, I wasn't aware of this - quite seriously, I'm out of work, no benefits, but still have to pay for medicines, of which I need 8 different items a month! OK, so I buy a pre-pay card, but it's still costing me when so many are getting freebies...

 

It's true Hillards, unfortunately. The fees were abolished in Wales on the same day they went up in England! I don't want to start a war with our Welsh and Scottish friends though - hardly their fault is it?

 

Regards.

 

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Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

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As you point out, not their fault, and I'm not in a position to start a war as I'm rather short of tanks, aircraft and weapons at present.

 

However, it was information I was not aware of and now wish to change my doctor to one in Cardiff, or somewhere like that...

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Now that bothers me, I wasn't aware of this - quite seriously, I'm out of work, no benefits, but still have to pay for medicines, of which I need 8 different items a month! OK, so I buy a pre-pay card, but it's still costing me when so many are getting freebies...

 

A years prepay in NI is a bargain at £25 and in April 2010 they will be abolished altogether. I have to agree Hilliards its doesnt seem fair. You know who to blame when the Election comes around.

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Best to start a war against the ones who offer something to one group, and not another, trying to stir up trouble. The same ones who bail out rich bankers and car companies that provide cars for rich people, but us ordinary people who have to work harder and harder for a living as each year goes by. They want to bail out jaguar that employ's 2000, but let Woolworths go bust and put 30,000 people on the dole.

 

The sooner decent people stop moaning in the local pub about how we're treated and get up of our lazy arses and actually do something about it, the better. That's the main problem here. They know most won't do anything except moan, while they get away with screwing us to the point of poverty.

 

Moaning about how crap we get treated is one thing. Doing something is another. Until people are prepared to stand up and actually do something, then they will always take the pee. And if we put up with it, then we deserve everything we get.

 

When was the last time the British people stood up against what they disagreed with? The longer we leave it the more our freedoms get taken away from us. Don't leave it until it's too late, then try and blame someone else for it.

 

It's our problem. Let's do something, and now!!

 

We're already winning the battle against the DCA's and the greedy banks. Why stop there?

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Best to start a war against the ones who offer something to one group, and not another, trying to stir up trouble. The same ones who bail out rich bankers and car companies that provide cars for rich people, but us ordinary people who have to work harder and harder for a living as each year goes by. They want to bail out jaguar that employ's 2000, but let Woolworths go bust and put 30,000 people on the dole.

 

The sooner decent people stop moaning in the local pub about how we're treated and get up of our lazy arses and actually do something about it, the better. That's the main problem here. They know most won't do anything except moan, while they get away with screwing us to the point of poverty.

 

Moaning about how crap we get treated is one thing. Doing something is another. Until people are prepared to stand up and actually do something, then they will always take the pee. And if we put up with it, then we deserve everything we get.

 

When was the last time the British people stood up against what they disagreed with? The longer we leave it the more our freedoms get taken away from us. Don't leave it until it's too late, then try and blame someone else for it.

 

It's our problem. Let's do something, and now!!

 

We're already winning the battle against the DCA's and the greedy banks. Why stop there?

 

And so say all of us. Mind you, I may be being slightly hypocritical here. My Daughter is getting a non-means tested bursary for her studies at Cardiff University. At least I'm getting something back for my money!.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

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Only in England. If you live in Wales or Scotland they're free, courtesy of English taxpayers.

 

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Oh, no they're not! Not in Scotland. It will be the case soon (unless it changes) but at the moment, we Jocks still pay for them. And we pay our taxes too!

 

But I agree, if they are made free in Wales and Scotland too then they should be made free in the whole of the UK. The United Kingdom should be just that, united - not one rule for one country and a seperate rule for another within the flag

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Not to go "off topic", but I wonder if someone could give an opinion on the following letter. This in reply to Aktiv who are still chasing a statute barred "alleged" debt.

 

Dear Sir/madam

 

Acc no xxxxx

 

I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT

 

Thank you for you letter dated 30/12/08, the contents of which have been noted.

 

You have again asked me to contact you by telephone when I have made it explicitly clear that I will only deal with this in writing. Therefore, I will not be taking you up on your invitation.

 

You state that you need me to call to "obtain information" and the required "security information". I do beg you pardon, but as you are chasing me for this alleged debt, surely you possess all the information you require. Could I point out that any questions you may have could easily be put into writing? I could then, if I so wished, or if I could be bothered, reply to you with any answers you need.

 

I have informed you that this alleged debt is Statute Barred. The Office of Fair Trading guidelines state:

 

Continuing to press for payment after a debtor has stated that they

will not be paying a debt because it is statute barred could amount to

harassment contrary to section 40 (1) of the Administration of Justice Act 1970.

 

However, if you still wish to pursue this, then please take note that I will be charging £15 per letter in response to your computer generated letters. I will also charge a minimum of £12 per response to account for my research.

 

Any further correspondence I receive from Aktiv Kapital will be taken as confirmation and agreement of these charges.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Clemma

 

Will that be ok? :D

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That will be fine, but add a pic of a Gingerbread man at the top and "PUT UP OR SHUT UP" as a heading in bright red letters as a heading. ;)

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And so say all of us. Mind you, I may be being slightly hypocritical here. My Daughter is getting a non-means tested bursary for her studies at Cardiff University. At least I'm getting something back for my money!.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

 

If you're a student and can get a bit back from the ones who will try and screw you later on, then get whatever you can. That goes for anyone who is prepared to help your kids get a good start in life. I never got one, then was left to struggle and ridiculed by my family for failing in life. I'm waiting for them to get too old to look after themselves and turn to me for help, then I'll happily give them the same kick in the nuts they gave me.

 

What goes around, comes around.

 

The same principle goes for banks, credit card companies, DCA's, so called friends, and family.

 

Be fair with the ones who are fair with you. Otherwise you get taken advantage of and used.

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That will be fine, but add a pic of a Gingerbread man at the top and "PUT UP OR SHUT UP" as a heading in bright red letters as a heading. ;)

 

 

Or maybe:

NOTICE OF PRE-OFFICE OF FAIR TRADING INVOLVEMENT

Valid if not read by you

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Is it me being paranoid, but we have 4 guests on here tonight.

 

I don't think you're paranoid Fuzzy, but that doesn't mean that you're NOT being followed by the Chinese Secret Service.

 

Fred

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