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    • "We suffer more in imagination than in reality" - really pleased this all happened. Settled by TO, full amount save as to costs and without interest claimed. I consider this a success but feel free to move this thread to wherever it's appropriate. I say it's a success because when I started this journey I was in a position of looking to pay interest on all these accounts, allowing them to default stopped that and so even though I am paying the full amount, it is without a doubt reduced from my position 3 years ago and I feel knowing this outcome was possible, happy to gotten this far, defended myself in person and left with a loan with terms I could only dream of, written into law as interest free! I will make better decisions in the future on other accounts, knowing key stages of this whole process. We had the opportunity to speak in court, Judge (feels like just before a ruling) was clear in such that he 'had all the relevant paperwork to make a judgement'. He wasn't pleased I hadn't settled before Court.. but then stated due to WS and verbal arguments on why I haven't settled, from my WS conclusion as follows: "11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. "  He offered to stand down the case to give us chance to settle and that that was for my benefit specifically - their Sols didn't want to, he asked me whether I wanted to proceed to judgement or be given the opportunity to settle. Naturally, I snapped his hand off and we entered negotiations (took about 45 minutes). He added I should get legal advice for matters such as these. They were unwilling to agree to a TO unless it was full amount claimed, plus costs, plus interest. Which I rejected as I felt that was unfair in light of the circumstances and the judges comments, I then countered with full amount minus all costs and interest over 84 months. They accepted that. I believe the Judge wouldn't have been happy if they didn't accept a payment plan for the full amount, at this late stage. The judge was very impressed by my articulate defence and WS (Thanks CAG!) he respected that I was wiling to engage with the process but commented only I  can know whether this debt is mine, but stated that Civil cases were based on balance of probabilities, not without shadow of a doubt, and all he needs to determine is whether the account existed. Verbal arguments aside; he has enough evidence in paperwork for that. He clarified that a copy of a DN and NOA is sufficient proof based on balance of probabilities that they were served. I still disagree, but hey, I'm just me.. It's definitely not strict proof as basically I have to prove the negative (I didn't receive them/they were not served), which is impossible. Overall, a great result I think! BT  
    • Seeking further advice now. The 33 days in which the defendant has to submit a defence expires at 16:00 tomorrow. The defendant has submitted an acknowledgement of service but looking to get the claim awarded by default in failure to submit the defence. This is MoneyClaim Online and can see an option to request a default judgement but believe that is for failure to acknowledge the claim within 14 days??  So being MoneyClaim Online, how do I request the claim be awarded in my favour?
    • Have to agree with the above Health and safety legislation is specific in that the service provider in so far as is reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare at work of all his employees and those not in the employ of the business. You claim is like saying you slipped in the swimming pool area while taking a dip. As rightly stated by by the leisure centre, a sports hall has dedicated equipment and you yourself personally have a legal obligation in mitigating danger or injury to yourself by taking account of your immediate surroundings. Where your claim will fail is if it is reasonable and proportionate to impose liability of the Leisure Centre? The answer has to be no.
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Here's a fantastic example of what a lot of us are talking about - where does this cut and pasted information come from? The Credit Today online website... Credit Today online

 

Hi Paul

As a debt collection company specialising in door collections this is something i would be interested in looking over, to collect on your behalf.

As you will be aware, sending letters to debtors often does not have the desired effect. However our experience shows that visiting the debtor at their establishment is likely to result in immediate payment or agreement to satisfy the debt.

Feel free to call me on 0113 243 6969 or alternatively look at are website for further information. Pro2col - Debt Recovery - Home

 

 

So the said company pro2col thinks it's fine to just turn up on people's doorsteps and demand money...There's many an OFT guideline being broken there me thinks.

 

Now this is an interesting post on that Credit today forum that pmfhc has picked out. Teresa Callaghan, Nee Crossley is an extremely Professional and knowledgable little lady who knows this business inside out. Read between the lines:

 

Teresa

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Business Development Manager

Transcom Worldwide

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Joined: 03 Aug 07 03 August 2007 13:06 Reply Consumer debt sale in the UK is very mature, but there are a number of debt buyers who buy commercial debt. Price will depend on the age of the debt and the amount of data that can be provided. As there is very little commercial debt being sold, buyers are keen to buy in small batches to see how it liquidates - if they price badly but the overall cost was not significant the pain is not too great.

Expectation is the biggest problem - sellers expect a "high" price.Rembmer that the buyer has to cover the cost of servicing and make a profit, but saying that a good paper that the market has little experience of will raise a good price.What is small - I would say c£500,000 face, any smaller than this will probably be too small for most players.

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Nay bother big yin!!!

 

 

Don't shrink from the feeling of loyalty to your Brethren!!! It's what equates you to the wider world and the global village!!!

 

 

 

Have you forgotten??

 

 

Brother ? big yin?

Moi? a shrinking violet forgetting my cause - ? Oh yes, now you remind me, silly me, Cabot - what was it I wanted to do to them? :D :D

 

Sarah xx

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I wonder if our Mr Hurlston remembers this little snippet of an interview with the Newstatesman - after re-reading this he surely can't seriously still believe his place is on the prize giving team. New Statesman - The debt pandemic

 

 

So Mr Hurlston recognised emerging problems way back then !!!

 

"Earlier this year Richard Cullen, a self-employed mechanic from Wiltshire, committed suicide. He had debts of £130,000 on 22 different cards. Cullen used one card to pay off another, so he appeared solvent when in fact he was bust. "Suicides are mercifully rare," says Hurlston. "But, whatever the lenders say, customers can't always look after themselves."

The CCCS points also to "a huge increase" in callers below the age of 25, particularly women. "With student loans and easy access to credit, many youngsters are desensitised to borrowing," Hurlston says. "They seem resigned to servicing massive loans for the rest of their lives."

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Here's a fantastic example of what a lot of us are talking about - where does this cut and pasted information come from? The Credit Today online website... Credit Today online

 

pmhcfc. this Credittoday forum makes some horrible reading. I wonder how long it will take for more "new members" to that forum starting to give the other side to the stories and questions.

 

I see 1 person has started giving some constuctive comments already.

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We Got a mention -

 

Credit Today online

 

Plus they have a list of all their members and contact names and addresses... quite interesting reading.

Their responses should make for interesting reading and no doubt a boost to the CAG membership as lots of DCA monkeys come along to read the TRUTH about their sleazy industy and its sleazy unlawful behaviour.

 

Who knows we may even prick the consience of one or two of them so that they may realise what a squalid industry they work for

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The CAG strikes back - there are also job adverts on that site

 

Credit Today online

 

I can't apply as I have a CCJ, but there are other jobs there.

 

I found it a very nauseating site, all "we are doing our jobs brilliantly" slant and some of the articles are so badly edited the original meaning has been lost. There is one about the Information Commission which has been well and truly mauled away from it's original meaning.

 

I shall see if they will let me become a member of the forum... will use a different name though, Kinyobi comes to mind (Japanese for Friday or money day....)

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We Got a mention -

 

Credit Today online

 

Plus they have a list of all their members and contact names and addresses... quite interesting reading.

 

Well about time too.

 

Let Me make one thing PERFECTLY CLEAR to our guests from Credit Today, Firstly, welcome to you all. Our Campaign is aimed solely at the CONSUMER credit Industry not Corporate recovery. Corporate recovery is a very different kettle of fish and an important part of Commercial trading.

 

Consumer Debt Collection is what we are about and you should ALL visit Seahorses Blog at Cabot Financial - how they treat one of their customers. too as just a sample of what this about - Cabot are the ones in the limelight, but none of you are excluded, some will have been ' introduced to The CABOT FAN CLUB but you all know Mr Maynard - ask him what we do.

 

Enjoy the ride and if you learn something and can make changes from within it will save you having to do it once we've finished with you...

 

not a threat - a promise ..

 

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Nobody is going to be interested in what we say on that forum. We are the "debtors". So we obviously:

 

a) Want to get away without paying

 

b) Lie to do so

 

C) Could affect their bonuses and commission

 

 

Has anyone actually spoken to someone at a DCA who has been willing to listen? Has anyone spoken to someone at a DCA who is both willing to listen and act correctly on information given? Judging by my experiences and others on this site, it truly is the exception, rather than the rule.

 

On particular occasion, I was abused: threatened; shouted at and told that I was commiting a criminal offence. Guess what? The debt wasn't even mine. Now, did I get an apology? I think not.

 

It's soooooo obvious that the "training" the staff get tells them not to believe what a person is saying - in fact, there most be some way they are taught to depersonalise debtors, or the staff would not be able to sleep at night.

 

So, clearly, the thousands of bad experiences told on this forum must be sob stories in order to get out of paying. Such nice people with awards ceremonies and everything wouldn't really hound the mentally ill, bereaved, desperate, single parents, those who find themselves on benefits or those who simply do not know the law, now would they?

 

Sometimes, a little direct action helps. How about a well organised, disciplined PECEFUL protest outside of this awards ceremony - that's one right they can't try to take away from us.

 

Vive la revolution!

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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So, clearly, the thousands of bad experiences told on this forum must be sob stories in order to get out of paying. Such nice people with awards ceremonies and everything wouldn't really hound the mentally ill, bereaved, desperate, single parents, those who find themselves on benefits or those who simply do not know the law, now would they?

 

Sometimes, a little direct action helps. How about a well organised, disciplined PECEFUL protest outside of this awards ceremony - that's one right they can't try to take away from us.

 

Vive la revolution!

 

A little direct action like going along to CCCS and asking for their help when you are desperate having had x number of DCA's threatening you with bailiffs then finding out the boss of said charity is giving out prizes to those very people. yes Direct action indeed....

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Well, it's about time it was brought to people's attention then, isn't it?

 

I mean outside of the forum.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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