Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • He was one of four former top executives from Sam Bankman-Fried's firms to plead guilty to charges.View the full article
    • The private submersible industry was shaken after the implosion of the OceanGate Titan sub last year.View the full article
    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

New Tenants since Late 2021- Seeking advice / steer on how to sensitively approach tenants before issuing 'Notice to quit' issue


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 725 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

I am respectfully seeking advice from Members please.

 

I need to give tenants the required 4-months Notice so that I can move back into my house at the end of July 2022.  The tenants are a family of four who have been extremely good and have looked after the property exceptionally well.

(i) However, they have also erected/built a very beautiful cottage within the grounds of the property without my consent, and contrary to the terms of the tenancy agreement.

(ii) In doing so, they removed top soil from the garden which taken off the property (I have photographic evidence).

(iii) I would not mind buying the cottage from the tenants if they will offer it at a price I can afford.

 

With regards to approaching the tenants on the issue of Notice to quit, I expect some back clash based purely on the work they have put in in maintaining the property and the nature of their personality.  I need to be cautions and sensitive. 

 

(a) I wondered if any members have had any experience in dealing with sensitive situations where there is a risk of volatility - if so, would you kindly share a suggested approach please?

(b) Also, is it still the case that 4-months Notice is mandatory as was set by Government back in 2020?

 

I would be grateful for any guidance, steer or advice please.  I am a novice and reluctant landlord so, please excuse any seemingly obvious solutions. 

 

I hope you can help and I look forward to hearing from you.

 

With thanks.

 

Maketa79

Link to post
Share on other sites

Very unusual situation, that you have a property with enough ground, for a tenant to build a cottage.

 

Given the peculiar position you have found yourself in, you have no choice really but to hire a Solicitors to deal with this for you.

 

Think about this a bit more. How have they connected services for their cottage ?  Water, sewerage, electricity, gas etc.

 

You have a building on your land without planning permission. As the owner of the land, you could find yourself liable for all the costs related to this building without consent.

 

 

 

 

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Old and New threads merged

Hello Consumer Action Group Administration Team

 

I thank you for this Forum and for facilitating connections with Members who provided invaluable advice without which I would have not made the progress I have made with the management of of my tenancy agreement.  I have also learnt a great deal from my interactions with Members on this Forum.  I might have had the odd disagreement with one or two members but that is because I felt I was being censored.

 

My present query concerns the merging of my thread with a previous thread which is unrelated to my current query as the two situations are different and involve different tenants.  I am concerned that by bringing the two threads together, this might create the impression that the previous query has remained unresolved and as such the situation becomes rather confusing to the reader, and I might not get the help  that I am seeking from Members.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Is it the same property ?

 

If it is the same property, then why not add a clarificatiion post providing a history i.e.  when the tenancy changed, what type of tenancy agreement, when it started etc.

 

As I said earlier, your circumstances are very very unusual.  How many landlords rent a property to tenants and then find out they have built a cottage in the grounds ?

 

Do you think any online forum could provide any useful advice when the position you have outlined is so complicated ? 

 

 

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you both honeybee13 and unclebulgaria67.  To clarify, I comment as follows:

(i) this is the same property as in a previous thread.  However, in my opinion, the fact that it is the same property is immaterial and irrelevant in the context of the present query. To what extent does the 'property' play a part in the issues that I have highlighted?  My objective is to de-escalate the situation and achieve an amicable termination of the tenancy agreement. 

 

(ii) I am not dealing with the same tenants and no where have I confirmed this.  So merging threads of two unrelated issues seems to me rather illogical and would likely confuse a Member who might be trying to provide some advice or steer.

 

(iii) no where have I suggested or implied that Members are picking on me, the thought never crossed my mind.  After all, it is me who is seeking help and I am grateful that a Member has taken the time and trouble to read my post, and it is a bonus if they take the time and trouble to reply and offer some advice.  So where am I getting bogged down, honeybee13?  

 

(iv) in my opinion, it would be illogical and confusing to bring in to play a historical and irrelevant query which has no bearing on the present circumstances.  Why would I provide a history and add to an event which is no longer of relevance?

 

I would be grateful if you could please reconsider your line of thinking and some of the assumptions you made.  I agree the issues are complicated, that is why I've resorted to seeking advice from Members with a view to finding a way or an approach to de-escalate the situation as well as achieve an amicable solution.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you saying that in the last year you have let your property to new tenants, and that in that time those new tenants have built a cottage on the property, without you either (1) knowing about it or (2) if you knew, doing anything about it? The tenants must have spent a few tens of thousands doing this? 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm confused and this is where an update would have helped.

 

The way I read this is that since last July [2021], the tenants you wanted to leave went, new tenants moved in and have already built something in the garden?

 

HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

@Maketa79

 

Have split the threads again.

 

Think you will have to spend the money in hiring a Solicitors to deal with this for you.

 

You are out of your depth with this, which is hardly surprising given what you have told us. 

 

This is a situation where trying to get free information from the internet is not appropriate.

 

The tenants have built a cottage on your land and you may have difficulty removing them.  Given that you have not sold the land to the tenants and have not been involved with what they have done,  I suspect no planning consent was obtained and the cottage may have to be demolised, if restrospective plannig permission is not granted.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • dx100uk changed the title to New Tenants since Late 2021- Seeking advice / steer on how to sensitively approach tenants before issuing 'Notice to quit' issue

Hi Maketa79

 

You have 2 issues here that I see from reading your thread

 

1. You want advice on how to evict your Tenants amicably.

 

This we can advise you on the process but on how to do this amicably with your Tenants is difficult for us to advise on as you are the one that knows your Tenants not CAG so you would really need to think of the best approach as you will still have to serve Notice to Quit to them as required which you are aware of.

 

2. Cottage built on your Land. (could you clarify that this is an actual Cottage with the relevant amenities i.e. electricity/sewage etc and not just a Shed?)

 

If this is a Cottage that has been built without your permission it not only Breaches your Tenancy Agreement but may also be in Breach of the required Planning Permissions in you Local Authority area which as you are the Landlord if Planning Permission was required the Local Authority could take action against you.

 

You need to consider the above and remember even after your tenants have left if the Cottage requires planning permission do you apply for it with the Local Authority and what if it is not granted and you have to demolish the Cottage and put the land back to its previous state what are the costs involved going to be and will you be able to recover those costs from those Tenants.

 

I do agree that you may have to seek Legal Advice on this one especially with the Cottage built without your consent on your land by these Tenants in breach of the Tenancy Agreement. 

 

Some questions:

 

When did the Tenancy Start?

 

What type of Tenancy Agreement do they have?

 

With the Notice to Quit you are going to serve which Grounds are you going to use?

 

If they paid a Deposit is it secured in a Tenancy Deposit Scheme?

 

 

How to Upload Documents/Images on CAG - **INSTRUCTIONS CLICK HERE**

FORUM RULES - Please ensure to read these before posting **FORUM RULES CLICK HERE**

I cannot give any advice by PM - If you provide a link to your Thread then I will be happy to offer advice there.

I advise to the best of my ability, but I am not a qualified professional, benefits lawyer nor Welfare Rights Adviser.

Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello stu007 - thank you and thank you for your objective analysis and subsequent questions.  I'm genuinely grateful to you for taking the trouble / time to read my post. 

1. Yes - I was seeking some steer / pointers on how I might terminate the tenancy amicably.  The cottage or shed - would be something I need to look into in terms of definition but the construction is pretty solid and professionally done, the gentleman is clearly talented and he has built an admirable structure, complete with an outdoor jacuzzi.

2. Yes, you're right - I do not expect Members to know the tenant who I know to think the worst of any situation and needs to be approached with some sensitivity - he is the type that will not entertain an opposing viewpoint.  But he is a first class citizen and tenant. I hope that is not too much of a contradiction but I'm alluding to sensitivities.

3. Yes, there is electrics and plumbing in the cottage / shed (it's constructed of wooden panels).

4. Yes - I can see the legal implications and potential for costs incurred if the structure is demolished etc.

5. Yes - I'm aware of planning permission though I have not yet checked to see if the size of the structure falls within the required criteria, I need to check this - thank you.

6. The tenancy started in December 2018.

7. It's an Assured shorthold tenancy Agreement which is now on a periodic basis.

8. I wanted to serve Notice to quit based on a non-contentious route; I genuinely need to move back to my house.

9. Deposit is paid and secured through a regulated agency

 

As a final point, I have always strived to have a healthy working relationship with the tenants.

 

I hope the above clarifies the points you have raised.  Thank you once again.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi

 

You are more than welcome for the advice.

 

It's really how you best approach your Tenants to serve the Notice to Quit and there will really be no easy way of doing this as a Notice to Quit is exactly that it's how the Tenants will take it and hopefully not cause any issues.

 

As for the Cottage/Shed I think you need to urgently check it is within Planning Permission.

 

Also with the above the Utilities fitted within it are safe as well. It's because you are aware of this (as the Landlord) you need to air on caution to protect yourself  i.e. what if it had faulty electrics and electrocuted someone or caused a fire (has an electrical inspection been carried out? where are the electrics coming from/to this Cottage/Shed) same for the water you don't know if these were done by a competent professional.

 

IMO that structure needs to urgently be inspected as it has been illegally built on your land and due to the utilities fitted bear in mind the required safety inspections you as a Landlord are required to carry out to your Property the Tenants Rents as a Legal requirement then think of that structure. 

 

 

How to Upload Documents/Images on CAG - **INSTRUCTIONS CLICK HERE**

FORUM RULES - Please ensure to read these before posting **FORUM RULES CLICK HERE**

I cannot give any advice by PM - If you provide a link to your Thread then I will be happy to offer advice there.

I advise to the best of my ability, but I am not a qualified professional, benefits lawyer nor Welfare Rights Adviser.

Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

Link to post
Share on other sites

This tenancy started in December 2018.

 

In July 2021 you were asking about the process of removing other tenants. 

 

The two matters are not connected. 

 

The cottage is a glorified shed. 

 

Is there anything else that you wish to clarify? 

 

Are you subject to government sanctions? 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello Mantis Shrimp and thank you for reading my post and subsequent responses from Members who are trying to help me. 

Your summary is correct. 

The only other thing I would seek to clarify is the current allowable period of Notice to quit -

I am reading variously that this is still 4 - months and 2 - months for assured shorthold tenancy? 

I would be grateful if you could please explain what you mean by 'government sanctions'.

 

Thank you.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Maketa79

 

Sorry for delay in getting back to you on this.

 

As for you asking about the notice period required as you have never given a notice during the COVID-19/Pandemic and this is your first Notice to Quit I assume you will serve a Section 21 No Fault Notice as long as it was served On or After October 2021 it now 2 Months Notice.

 

(see below link: specifically Section 21 Notices)

 

ENGLAND.SHELTER.ORG.UK

Being given notice by your landlord is the start of eviction proceedings. Most tenants are entitled to be given written notice, but not all

 

How to Upload Documents/Images on CAG - **INSTRUCTIONS CLICK HERE**

FORUM RULES - Please ensure to read these before posting **FORUM RULES CLICK HERE**

I cannot give any advice by PM - If you provide a link to your Thread then I will be happy to offer advice there.

I advise to the best of my ability, but I am not a qualified professional, benefits lawyer nor Welfare Rights Adviser.

Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Maketa79

 

Just thought I would pop in to see how this is going and if you have decided how best to approach your Tenants with the Notice to Quit and have you taken onboard my caution in post#15 about the utilities to this cottage/shed?

How to Upload Documents/Images on CAG - **INSTRUCTIONS CLICK HERE**

FORUM RULES - Please ensure to read these before posting **FORUM RULES CLICK HERE**

I cannot give any advice by PM - If you provide a link to your Thread then I will be happy to offer advice there.

I advise to the best of my ability, but I am not a qualified professional, benefits lawyer nor Welfare Rights Adviser.

Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello stu007 - thank you so much for the timely guidance,  steer and the above link which I appreciate very much. 

I have taken on board all the cautions you have provided which I have to admit, hadn't occurred to me. 

the approach I've decided to take is to try and work with the tenant by having an initial meeting with him - how he engages with the conversation and reactions will determine how then I take things forward. 

I intend to point out the risks and issues, and ultimately my intention, mainly that my personal circumstances have changed and I now need to return home. 

I have some views on how he will react and there are issues around active listening which might bring some barriers to the conversation, but I thought I should give it a try if I am to get an amicable result.

Once again, thank you very much stu007.  Please do not hesitate to add any more comments should anything else cross your mind.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi

 

Something to note with the utilities installed in this cottage/shed that was illegally built and breaches their tenancy agreement is that as the landlord you will need to get a safety inspection done of those utilities to make sure they are compliant and the Tenants will bear the costs for those inspections. (note this inspection will need to be done urgently)

 

Why should you the landlord bear these costs when this was illegally built/breached the Tenancy Agreement.

 

Just something to bear in mind

 

 

How to Upload Documents/Images on CAG - **INSTRUCTIONS CLICK HERE**

FORUM RULES - Please ensure to read these before posting **FORUM RULES CLICK HERE**

I cannot give any advice by PM - If you provide a link to your Thread then I will be happy to offer advice there.

I advise to the best of my ability, but I am not a qualified professional, benefits lawyer nor Welfare Rights Adviser.

Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...

Hello - unclebulgaria67 (&honeybee13),

with respect please see how stu007 has dealt with my enquiry. 

I hope you will see that historical events which you are highlighting are and remain insignificant in this instance. 

The circumstances might be very unusual, but I thought that is why members come on to this Forum for, to seek help on sometimes 'unusual' circumstances. 

In my experience, with the exception of the times I have come across responses such as yours, I find that Forum Members deliver. 

Stu007's advice and guidance was an education for me - he did not brag about it, neither was he patronising. 

That is how it should be. 

There was nothing to be gained by delving into the history except to ferment confusion for those trying to help. 

I'm mystified by your boastful assertions and asking the question

-  Do you think any online forum could provide any useful advice when the position you have outlined is so complicated?". 

Clearly if you had no contribution to my query, you could have elected to help others with less complicated circumstances. 

As it is, Stu007 most definitely resolved my situation and even added extra cautionary notes to his advice.

Great stuff>

Thank you Stu007

- your humility and ability to analyse my situation was second to none!!! 

  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

You came back after 2 months to comment like that??

Stu has really helped with eviction side of things, but do you have an appropriate update to the other advice you've been given?

Like:

On 14/03/2022 at 20:54, honeybee13 said:

your wooden 'cottage' be what I might call a summerhouse? Maybe you could tell us what it measures please?

 

On 15/03/2022 at 01:51, stu007 said:

 

As for the Cottage/Shed I think you need to urgently check it is within Planning Permission.

 

On 15/03/2022 at 01:51, stu007 said:

has an electrical inspection been carried out? where are the electrics coming from/to this Cottage/Shed

 

On 15/03/2022 at 01:51, stu007 said:

that structure needs to urgently be inspected as it has been illegally built on your land and due to the utilities fitted bear in mind the required safety inspections you as a Landlord are required to carry out

 

All the above statements and questions are valid as you as the landlord are accountable in the event someone gets hurt, or worse..

 

So, Stu mentioning 'urgent' multiple times - did you heed this advice or just hear what you wanted to hear and then come back to tell HB and UB how wrong they are?

CAG Site Team and Forum Helpers are unpaid volunteers

Over the years CAG has probably helped hundreds of thousands of people, only a small number of people come back and let us know what happened or to say thank you

and an even smaller number of people ever think to make a donation.

If you are able, without leaving yourself short, consider donating, all donations go towards Site hosting and maintenance - help us stay live for future people in need.

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

 

Essential Reading: Dealing with Customer Service

Link to post
Share on other sites

So, OP tends to flip between:

a) asking for advice on a complicated situation and then disagreeing with established posters on needing either/ both of more info on the thread, or  formal legal advice being the best way forward

b) simpering gratitude for replies (provided they tell them what they want to hear), and

c) "The odd disagreement" on previous threads.

So, I can't see this going well without a major shift in the OP's attitude(s).

I also can't see if they are saying that the situation is now resolved or not (and if it is resolved : they've not given any info that might help others in similar circumstances .....)

 

tl;dr   : "Popcorn!"

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

@Maketa79

 

Thank you for your kind comment but what I take offence at is you having a go at other members of the Forum in that post just because you disagree/don't like what they have said/asked as you could easily have just ignored that advice bear in mind we are a Self Help Forum.

 

Could you possibly update us on how this has proceeded as it may help others in a similar situation?

 

Importantly again have you have those utilities inspected and certified by a competent professional or professionally removed?

How to Upload Documents/Images on CAG - **INSTRUCTIONS CLICK HERE**

FORUM RULES - Please ensure to read these before posting **FORUM RULES CLICK HERE**

I cannot give any advice by PM - If you provide a link to your Thread then I will be happy to offer advice there.

I advise to the best of my ability, but I am not a qualified professional, benefits lawyer nor Welfare Rights Adviser.

Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

Link to post
Share on other sites

style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 725 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...